On Extreme Role-playing Within XIV

As long as the RP is kept to the more private channels (FC if it's an RPFC, RP linkshells, etc) and not plastered in the public channels (Say, Shout, General, non-RPFC chats, etc) you can do whatever and I won't care. If you're going to do a dungeon or trial with RP restrictions you best make your own group. No one wants a party member that's needlessly handicapping themself. Unwilling participants are often the unruliest as well and for good reason.

Its interesting how many posters are attacking me as a person rather than addressing my argument.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Europeans Mature etc.

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Well, in general, Europeans tend to be older. They also tend to have more experience with different cultures. It doesn't give them all understanding, but I've always found that the ones that stick to more EU populated places online tend to be more polite and reserved than others.

Tons of EU do play on NA though, and they tend to blend in as just another NA unless they point out where they're from.

But going back to the age thing, I really do think that there are a ton of young people playing FFXIV. Droves, even. I literally raided with someone in Shadowbringers who would have been 12~13 when ARR came out. I've also RPed with someone who really wanted to know my real age. Age gap can really drive a wedge between people in game, whether it's RP or not.

I recall in December 2013 I met a DRG in i90 with the i95 Twintania weapon. She taught me the optimized DRG rotation at the time. Turned out they were a 16 year old French girl. They'd asked my age after revealing theirs, and I told'em(I was 23 going on 24 at the time). They said that I was, "a little creepy to be playing a game for teenagers." It really threw me for a loop, because when I'd played FFXI most people I met were older than me buy and large and also by a lot, sometimes. I sometimes wonder if she still thinks I'm creepy, now that she's about 24 herself, and still plays! lmao.

Of course, how that translates in RP is that usually the younger folks have different expectations in social interactions, and also have consumed watered down media for most of their lives with politically correct remakes that try to safety wrap every corner/push agenda/ideas. Activists-for-a-living parents. Hugbox internet etc.

Not saying everyone younger than me is like that or victim to it, but it's a little bit more prevalent than a trend, if you ask me. And I think it bleeds into every facet of their lives.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

No one can force you, but they can sure try.
I have literally left an RP because someone tried to force me to play a slave.

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That is just bad rp practice no matter the theme. Trying to force someone to do something rp wise.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Its interesting how many posters are attacking me as a person rather than addressing my argument.

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Attacking you is not good. I don't agree with attacks against you.

I do think that whenever you express disapproval for what people RP you are going to get kickback. I sure have, and in this thread.

I don't really agree with you that RP is worse. I've been RPing for an unimaginably long time, across various communities going back to the dawn of the internet. RP has not changed at all in all that time. The settings of games change, and the technology changes, but the attitudes, personalities, and arguments are all the same.

You find genius writers, incredibly soulful poets, arrogant posers, and very dangerous abusers in every RP community. Sometimes all in the same person. And they have always been there.

The same arguments about metagaming, smut RPing, gatekeeping, all of it... all the same. Only the games have changed.

I guess I should pipe up, now that I’ve figured out the words I want to use.

I find RP hard in XIV but only because I’m used to forum paragraph roleplays from like 2014. Elegant prose, with rules in group chats such as “Dont use asterisks, write it out in sentence format. Don’t godmod. Don’t do anything without someone elses consent if you think a reasonable person would object to it (This included things such as kissing, even. Intense roleplays required planning and scripting beforehand - your character couldn’t just “be ‘X’ and wing it.)”

Perhaps those rules are what shapes my view of RP today. I grew up in communities where consent was the golden rule. If you were uncomfortable with the direction a scene was going, you spoke up and said “I’m not comfortable with this anymore,” and people stopped- because who wants to make the person behind the screen uncomfortable? That doesn’t make good RP.

I personally do not want to roleplay with people who play racist or xenophobic characters. I experience racism in my day to day life, and roleplay is an escapism thing for me - I want to craft meaningful stories with people, I don’t want to bring my outside strife into a scene. I find it uncomfortable to be around people who are currently roleplaying racist characters because of that same reason. It doesn’t mean I think the person behind the screen is gross, or is racist themselves, it just means that I personally don’t want to interact with them.

I’m younger. I didn’t grow up in the “wild wacky west” of the internet yesteryears - I was a teenager from 2012-2018 and most of my foundations were built upon being around people who cared about consensual storytelling, worldbuilding, and ensuring that the environment fostered was safe to be in. This doesn’t mean we didn’t do insane, dark stories. We did. We just made sure that it was also consensual because it’s a lot more fun to create a story when everyone who’s there to create it is onboard.

It is always interesting to see how environmental factors sway our thought. I was 13 when I started to RP in swtor and my experience with alpha company as a plus one I was given a very serial RP experience. Given it was a heavy military system clan one of the first things they told me is always keep ooc and ic interactions and based xenophobic stance given the IP was also common. Conest appeared to always be implied based off the IP. Just a matter of being respectful and never put another in a situation they did not. Like walk up and hand cuff someone. Though when it came to things said it was always considered free game just a fine line. Like someone being overly an asshole was never looked kindly upon. It is a fine line and often did create drama with newer recruits or encounters especially with non human species.

Though many of our events were free form and worked on an honor system so to speak. We had scripted events though for the most part the end goal was set everything else was free form.

If you're writing a story for yourself, sky is the limit. But RP includes at least one other person, and a good RPer considers that other person's desires and not just their own.

If someone wants to put on an S.S Uniform and Goose Step around their house that's their business as long as I don't have to look at it.

Same with Video Games.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Its interesting how many posters are attacking me as a person rather than addressing my argument.

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What argument?

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Originally Posted by yajnaji

What argument?

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It's the first post my dude.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

It's the first post my dude.

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I believe that response was something of a, "zinger" as in your OP didn't constitute one. Which I mean, I think it did, but some people, ya know?

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Greetings, and baiting title aside I would like to begin a discussion over fringe role-playing within the game. No, not the usual degenerate type often debated, but rather what is almost never discussed. That being topics such as role-playing a character who might be racist, xenophobic or intolerant. A Garlean loyalist who believes in the cause, or a Xaela ultra nationalist. A moral compromised character. I've found these types of role-playing within XIV to be almost nonexistent and even treated as taboo. More so than even actual unseemly roleplay of the other type. This is strange to me, as I come from other games that have a much more varied community when it comes to types of characters roleplayed. It makes XIV's scene seem stagnant and boring. Thoughts on why?

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While I ultimately cannot stop another individual from RPing this, my personal experience (big emphasis because I am aware that my experiences aren't universal) tends to be that people who rp extremist characters tend to share similar views OOC. So I tend to prefer not to interact with these types myself.

Meanwhile, in my personal experience, what is considered to be an 'extremist' character changes in definition by the day. Often at the whims of role-players with a perpetual chip atop their shoulders who seek to exploit the art as a means of spreading certain ideologies.

I've also seen a mysterious trend where many role-players insist that it is perfectly fine to portray their character as racist or discriminatory towards Garlean characters (even those not aligned with Garlemald as a whole) but it is considered unacceptable for Garlean characters to do as much themselves.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Meanwhile, in my personal experience, what is considered to be an 'extremist' character changes in definition by the day. Often at the whims of role-players with a perpetual chip atop their shoulders who seek to exploit the art as a means of spreading certain ideologies.

I've also seen a mysterious trend where many role-players insist that it is perfectly fine to portray their character as racist or discriminatory towards Garlean characters (even those not aligned with Garlemald as a whole) but it is considered unacceptable for Garlean characters to do as much themselves.

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I'd say this is the concept of "punching up" and "punching down" in play. It's okay to "punch up", in this case being 'racist' towards a Garlean character, due to them having been in a position of power, while they cannot do the same as that is in turn "punching down". The same thing that happens in many real life interactions.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'd say this is the concept of "punching up", and "punching down" in play. It's okay to "punch up", or be 'racist' towards a Garlean character due to them having been in a position of power, while they cannot do the same as that is in turn "punching down". The same thing that happens in many real life interactions.

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Perhaps. Though in my opinion such an approach doesn't quite fit within the established story as the Garleans were simply peaceful farmers who were largely incapable of manipulating aether which put them at a major disadvantage. As such, their neighbours forced them out of fertile territory and into the frigid wastes of Northern Ilsabard where they would have died out if not for the presence of ceruleum.

It was only later that they reversed their fortunes and sought to recover their lost lands and whilst a case can be made for not expanding beyond that reclaimed territory, I'd note that Eorzea and the various other nations have all benefitted immensely from the spoils of war themselves, particularly when it comes to staking claim to territory rich in aether.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Perhaps. Though in my opinion such an approach doesn't quite fit within the established story as the Garleans were simply peaceful farmers who were largely incapable of manipulating aether which put them at a major disadvantage. As such, their neighbours forced them out of fertile territory and into the frigid wastes of Northern Ilsabard where they would have died out if not for the presence of ceruleum.

It was only later that they reversed their fortunes and sought to recover their lost lands and whilst a case can be made for not expanding beyond that reclaimed territory, I'd note that Eorzea and the various other nations have all benefitted immensely from the spoils of war themselves, particularly when it comes to staking claim to territory rich in aether.

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I don't have any skin in this game since I don't RP, but to be fair most Eorzeans aren't going to know the backstory of the Garleans and only know them as a conquering force. The Garleans were actively flying their ships over Eorzean cities and invaded with full force 5 years ago at the end of 1.0, sent another giant invasion force which (accidentally) exploded Silvertear Falls, ruining the most pristine land in the entire region and creating Mor Dhona 15 years ago, and conquered Ala Mhigo 20 years ago. 2 whole legions have actively threatened most of the inhabitants of Eorzea over the past 5 years and 1 of them is still present on the continent in bases that they've created right next to where people live. Then most notably, it was the Garleans who were responsible for the Meteor and the 7th Calamity, which killed countless people and completely devastated the land.

No Eorzeans have any contact whatsoever with Garlean civilians and only know the soldiers invading their countries, or stories from Ala Mhigan and Doman refugees. It's going to be hard relating to a people who have done nothing but provided hardships for literally everyone and have touched the lives of every single Eorzean for the worst.

Your history is also missing a note that they weren't native to the lands they were kicked out of either. They were native to Goug until they blew up their own city and came to the continent as refugees. The official entry for Reaper seems to be at odds with the lore from the Encyclopedia and the Ivalice quests. The lorebook doesn't say anything about "peaceful farmers" it says that they "suffered defeat in their territorial claims", which implies that they were the aggressor. We don't know how peaceful they may have been, why the natives didn't let them stay, and why they were kicked out, but I hope we find out more in Endwalker. Either way, their being kicked out of lands that weren't theirs 800 years ago isn't going to change anyone's mind and make them suddenly feel bad.

I'm sure that we'll learn more about the effects the war has had on Garlean civilians and learn more of their side of the story, but it's not like we're going to be reporting it all back to everyone back home and it won't erase feelings everyday people would have in Eorzea.


That all said, I'm sure it would be interesting to RP as or with a normal Garlean character, but you're going to be facing an uphill battle and it isn't entirely realistic to expect every player to be immediately warm to you without any existing prejudices.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'd say this is the concept of "punching up" and "punching down" in play. It's okay to "punch up", in this case being 'racist' towards a Garlean character, due to them having been in a position of power, while they cannot do the same as that is in turn "punching down". The same thing that happens in many real life interactions.

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Yup, so it ends up being a case of "I'll wail 24/7 about 'bigotry', but I'm ok with it when it's used against people I ha-... who have 'power'." It is merely the outflow of a particular form of political view that I would say is fixated on perpetuating conflicts to exploit for political or financial gain.

I don't have an issue with people playing characters who distrust Garleans or discriminate against them. I do, however, think that there's plenty of legitimate reasons for a Garlean to look down and discriminate against Eorzeans - which is often the point of contention. Personally I believe in nuance rather than absolutes.

Insofar as the Goug situation is concerned, bear in mind that Gabranth is not actually a Garlean himself and may not necessarily be speaking of Garlean ancestry as a whole as a result. Though when it comes to the Reaper lore blurb about peaceful farmers, I was referring to this:

Formerly a peaceful people living from agriculture in the southern part of the continent of Ilsabard, the Garlemaldais were driven from their lands by assailants with magical abilities far superior to theirs and had to settle in a cold and hostile region to the north. from the central mountain range.

Conscious of their natural inability to handle the ether, the Garlemaldais then developed a unique combat technique allowing them to come into contact with the world of nothingness through a crystal to attach the powers of a " avatar ", a creature of nothingness.

Armed with a scythe, reminiscent of their agricultural past, the few elected officials capable of mastering this technique call themselves "reapers"

It's from the French version of the Reaper promotional page, though it expands on what we have to work with in terms of the official lore book when it comes to their origins as well.

I'd also note, that the Dragonsong War lasted for a thousand years and only ended in recent times. The conflict with Garlemald, however, has lasted for a very tiny fraction of time by comparison. If the Ishgardians were able to overcome the scars of a conflict that spanned numerous generations, I'm sure the Eorzeans and Garleans can do the same thing - especially given that Eorzea itself was built on conquest and frequently reaped rewards in the process, which benefit it to this very day.

I'd also note that it doesn't particularly matter how much time has passed when the Garleans suffer from an inability to typically wield aether as the other inhabitants of the Source can. As such, they're always going to be on the defensive until it can be guaranteed that they will be left alone. I'd also note, it wasn't as if they decided to rise up one day and seek to conquer other nations for no reason. Let's also not forget that they did not have the convenience of the Warrior of Light to solve all their problems, which is often what stops Eorzea short of doing the same shady things it did in the past, such as zombifying the inhabitants of Sil'dih.

The conflicts in this game are pretty well written and nuanced. Many role-players choose to ignore that, though that's on them - they're free to avoid interacting with those of us who prefer to portray more complex characters and themes. Though I do think it's rather disingenuous for assumptions to be made about the motives of any individual choosing to portray an antagonist in a fictional fantasy game. Especially when many people have been doing so already across multiple MMO's for years with minimal or no issues and that European role-players seem to have done as much quite consistently.

Ultimately this is a game with a global audience and much of what people are complaining about appears to largely be limited to the North American role-playing community.

I've never role played in an mmo, only D&D and that was quite a few years ago. When I did, it was acceptable to embrace lore based intolerance between races (and classes in some situations) but only to a point that your fellow roleplayers were comfortable.

I don't know, but it would make sense to me if rp like that were more common in games like ESO where you see more Tolkien inspired fantasy. In that franchise and I would have to assume also any MMO directly based on LOTR or (if one exists) D&D, long-standing friction exists between the races. In FFXIV you have to know this game, not just any Final Fantasy. Of course, people are always free to create racist characters based solely around their personal backstories and that must happen but it's not something I ever encountered.

Sounds like a good way to get blacklisted, I guess..?

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Greetings, and baiting title aside I would like to begin a discussion over fringe role-playing within the game. No, not the usual degenerate type often debated, but rather what is almost never discussed. That being topics such as role-playing a character who might be racist, xenophobic or intolerant. A Garlean loyalist who believes in the cause, or a Xaela ultra nationalist. A moral compromised character. I've found these types of role-playing within XIV to be almost nonexistent and even treated as taboo. More so than even actual unseemly roleplay of the other type. This is strange to me, as I come from other games that have a much more varied community when it comes to types of characters roleplayed. It makes XIV's scene seem stagnant and boring. Thoughts on why?

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You need to find the right crowd really.. we run a fc tavern and open it and pretty much anything and all is welcome. Just don't expect all characters to react in kind depending on their own back stories. We've had a few of the listed types above but it's pretty uncommon over all.

I don't RP but this seems like a poor topic to spring on unwitting/unwilling strangers, but perfectly fine if everyone's on the same page?

Or am I misunderstanding?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Insofar as the Goug situation is concerned, bear in mind that Gabranth is not actually a Garlean himself and may not necessarily be speaking of Garlean ancestry as a whole as a result.

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I don't know what Gabranth has to do with this, I was referring to what the Garleans on the airship were talking about when you bring up Goug. Though when I checked back on the dialogue, apparently they were just 1 of 7 tribes that made up the future Garleans so I suppose we'll find out about the other 6.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd also note, that the Dragonsong War lasted for a thousand years and only ended in recent times. The conflict with Garlemald, however, has lasted for a very tiny fraction of time by comparison. If the Ishgardians were able to overcome the scars of a conflict that spanned numerous generations, I'm sure the Eorzeans and Garleans can do the same thing - especially given that Eorzea itself was built on conquest and frequently reaped rewards in the process, which benefit it to this very day.

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That may eventually be the case but as of 5.5 we're not there yet. And it's also a bit much to presume that every player in or out of character would feel the same. You could also say the same about the Garleans themselves. Why are they still upset over getting kicked out 800 years ago when the Dravanians and Ishgardians had a 1000 year long war and they buried the hatchet?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd also note that it doesn't particularly matter how much time has passed when the Garleans suffer from an inability to typically wield aether as the other inhabitants of the Source can. As such, they're always going to be on the defensive until it can be guaranteed that they will be left alone. I'd also note, it wasn't as if they decided to rise up one day and seek to conquer other nations for no reason. Let's also not forget that they did not have the convenience of the Warrior of Light to solve all their problems, which is often what stops Eorzea short of doing the same shady things it did in the past, such as zombifying the inhabitants of Sil'dih.

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The reason for Garleans deciding to go on a conquer spree has less to do with lack of aether or any territorial disputes from centuries past and more to do with the fact that an Ascian decided to feed on the gigantic chip on their shoulder and create a destructive force out of their resentment. It would be naive though to blame it all on Ascians or to use them or their history as en excuse to say that everything they did was justified. Nobody is saying that what the Eorzean city-states have done to their local beastmen is justified either. I would assume that an interaction between a beastman and an Eorzean would be also be colored by events of the past and to think otherwise would be ignorant of the world that was built for the game, just as one between a Garlean and an Eorzean.

Tying back into the original topic, your characters exist in a pre-written world and you're interacting with the general public whose characters also exist in a pre-written world. Your characters don't exist in a vacuum and people will have pre-existing ideas of certain concepts just as characters in-universe would. You shouldn't expect that everyone would want to RP with your character, regardless of who they are. Trying to force your "complex" character on people who don't want it and didn't ask for it is very presumptuous. While I don't RP, I've read a lot of character backgrounds on tumblr and carrd over the years and there are some way out ideas like vampires, angels, nephilim, and dragon robots. While you're free to come up with ideas that exist outside of the canon, you can't just assume that everyone you meet will be on board. I'm sure a lot of people just want to play with who and what they're comfortable with. A Garlean character comes with baggage, whether you want it or not. Some people might just not want to deal with that.

The "degenerate type".... some one is a bit judgmental.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I don't know what Gabranth has to do with this, I was referring to what the Garleans on the airship were talking about when you bring up Goug. Though when I checked back on the dialogue, apparently they were just 1 of 7 tribes that made up the future Garleans so I suppose we'll find out about the other 6.

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Gabranth is the one who leads the research into Goug and he speaks of 'our ancestors' yet it is later revealed that he, himself, is a Midlander from the Republic of Landis rather than a Pureblooded Garlean. As I recall, very little was revealed about Goug in general though if some Garleans do have ancestry there then I'll admit to not being certain how a potential accident can be held against the people as a whole, especially if they were seeking to use technology as a means of working around an inability to manipulate aether.

I went back and double checked myself and I found this:

Jenomis cen Lexentale: Which led me to ask myself: what if the reason land was limited was because the land in question was an island?

Jenomis cen Lexentale: But that still would not explain the omission of the cataract. It is inconceivable that the authors would neglect to mention so prominent a landmark had it existed. And then I found it -- a lone passage regarding Goug's fall. While the particulars were missing, it appears the city was abandoned after an explosion left half of it in ruin.

Jenomis cen Lexentale: I believe that this explosion may have undermined a portion of the seabed. It need only have been a small area at first -- one that could well have gone unnoticed during the exodus. As time passed, however, the waters would have continued to wear away at the rock, slowly widening the gap until...

Jenomis cen Lexentale: Well, until we have what lies beneath us today. This would explain why there is no mention of Ridorana prior to the present era.

Ramza bas Lexentale: ...Come, Father -- will you not tell them the rest? Of the possibility that we Garleans are descended in part from the displaced citizens of Goug?

Ramza bas Lexentale: It would explain how the Empire was able to forge its armies of iron even before the discovery and application of Allagan technology.

Source: https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Annihilation

The reason for the explosion is established as being unknown.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Tying back into the original topic, your characters exist in a pre-written world and you're interacting with the general public whose characters also exist in a pre-written world. Your characters don't exist in a vacuum and people will have pre-existing ideas of certain concepts just as characters in-universe would. You shouldn't expect that everyone would want to RP with your character, regardless of who they are. Trying to force your "complex" character on people who don't want it and didn't ask for it is very presumptuous. While I don't RP, I've read a lot of character backgrounds on tumblr and carrd over the years and there are some way out ideas like vampires, angels, nephilim, and dragon robots. While you're free to come up with ideas that exist outside of the canon, you can't just assume that everyone you meet will be on board. I'm sure a lot of people just want to play with who and what they're comfortable with. A Garlean character comes with baggage, whether you want it or not. Some people might just not want to deal with that.

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I must admit, I'm a little confused by this. At no point did I suggest that anyone has to role-play with anybody else. I even said as much in my previous post. I have, however, throughout the thread pointed out that it is simply not acceptable to send people death threats for choosing to role-play a Garlean, nor is it acceptable for anyone to be making defamatory comments by implying that anyone choosing to do so is doing it because they, themselves, are 'bigots' in the real world.

It isn't an 'out there' concept to portray something that exists within the established canon, either. Garleans aren't really on the same level as angels and demons, since they exist in multiple settlements and factions throughout the game.

The player character isn't a bandit, but that doesn't mean that someone can't portray their role-play character as one. Such is pretty common and has been done across a number of MMO's without any issues.

I'd also note, again, a lot of people are arguing about the North American role-playing community. They're free to gatekeep opinions and 'acceptable' role-play practices all they wish, but they aren't universal and European players have - again, over multiple MMO's - an established trend of indulging in role-play with a bit more depth and nuance to it overall. That there was a sizeable migration of European role-players from Balmung to Omega speaks for itself in regards to cultural differences/preferences, in my opinion.

So it stands to reason, then, that the attempts to brand anyone seeking to role-play a Garlean as somehow wrong or a bad person are pretty disingenuous. Equally, I think it's fair to suggest that any given role-player needs to be able to separate a character from the person behind the screen. This is, I might add, a rather universally agreed upon rule within the role-playing community as a whole. That some opt to ignore it is unfortunate, but thankfully many role-players stand in active defiance of those who seek to stifle creativity and spread misery.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I must admit, I'm a little confused by this. At no point did I suggest that anyone has to role-play with anybody else. I even said as much in my previous post.

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That was me trying to remain on topic and bring what I said to the topic as a whole, not to you specifically. Regarding yourself, you instead come across as having a dismissive attitude towards people who don't like your concept:

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Originally Posted by Theodric

they're free to avoid interacting with those of us who prefer to portray more complex characters and themes.

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You also seem insistent on constantly remind us about how the European RP community has more "depth and nuance". You mention how what players play shouldn't reflect on the person behind the keyboard but ironically you seem to act the same way as the Garleans as a whole in regards to the North American RP community.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

The "degenerate type".... some one is a bit judgmental.

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It's an accurate description of people violating terms of service for sexual purposes.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

You also seem insistent on constantly remind us about how the European RP community has more "depth and nuance". You mention how what players play shouldn't reflect on the person behind the keyboard but ironically you seem to act the same way as the Garleans as a whole in regards to the North American RP community.

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You're free to believe what you wish. I was simply making an observation that more often than not it is North American role-players who typically seem to struggle to separate a character from the role-player.

Given that European role-players do not struggle in that regard, I think it's fair to suggest that nobody should be sending death threats or defamatory comments to people who choose to role-play a Garlean. I don't see what's unreasonable about that, really.

Though as you yourself stated in your previous post, you're not a role-player. So I can completely understand something like this being difficult to follow, especially when jumping in part way through an ongoing discussion.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

The "degenerate type".... some one is a bit judgmental.

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When a non-14 player and a 14 player alike hear rp and immediately assume it's cybering...well then degenerate is an appropriate term in my opinion. When I have to suffer to see a scene bankrupt of creativity and nuance all the while an approved and proper rp is naught but someone describing how all the Roes in Limsa made their catgirl suffer internally...can you blame me for being extremely negative?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Given that European role-players do not struggle in that regard, I think it's fair to suggest that nobody should be sending death threats or defamatory comments to people who choose to role-play a Garlean. I don't see what's unreasonable about that, really.

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There is some irony there. Those who feel like certain personalities, particularly those that are highly judgmental, should not exist in legitimate roleplay are willing to whatever it takes to shame/ harass those that want to roleplay these personalities into not doing it.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

There is some irony there. Those who feel like certain personalities, particularly those that are highly judgmental, should not exist in legitimate roleplay are willing to whatever it takes to shame/ harass those that want to roleplay these personalities into not doing it.

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To be fair, I think a lot of it is just the typical mentality common amongst those who frequent social media. As it happens, FFXIV unfortunately has a lot of crossover with that crowd - especially when it comes to role-players.

It's pretty common amongst lore enthusiasts too, I've found. Just today I was reading a thread over on the lore forum and certain posters were outright attacking others simply for liking and disliking specific characters!

It's pretty wild. I guess I find it morbidly fascinating, too.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That there was a sizeable migration of European role-players from Balmung to Omega speaks for itself in regards to cultural differences/preferences, in my opinion.

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I've my doubts about such an attribution. I believe that the migration of European players, in general, from North American Servers to European Servers was way more important to the move. That there may be some benefit in expanding the subject areas for Role Play is an effect, rather than a cause, of the migration.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

I've my doubts about such an attribution. I believe that the migration of European players, in general, from North American Servers to European Servers was way more important to the move. That there may be some benefit in expanding the subject areas for Role Play is an effect, rather than a cause, of the migration.

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You're free to take it with a pinch of salt if you so wish, but I served as a moderator over on one of the sites devoted to FFXIV role-play for a period of time. I was constantly dealing with people quietly confiding in me that they felt a culture shock when moving from a European role-playing community in WoW to one dominated by American role-players in FFXIV. Of course, the benefit of having a better connection was a reason to move and an additional perk to many - myself included. Furthermore, some European role-players opted to stay on Balmung or Mateus rather than abandon the roots they had put down.

I think my point still stands, though.

Some people like criticizing specific types of RP, but deep down, they do the same behind closed doors.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

Some people like criticizing specific types of RP, but deep down, they do the same behind closed doors.

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...Or they don't RP at all but find the concept of certain themes distasteful.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

...Or they don't RP at all but find the concept of certain themes distasteful.

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Nah. I am sure the ones who criticize and complain about it DO roleplay, and they also do the dirty behind closed doors. It's just that they will present themselves as beacons of light to project a clean-cut image.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

Nah. I am sure the ones who criticize and complain about it DO roleplay, and they also do the dirty behind closed doors. It's just that they will present themselves as beacons of light to project a clean-cut image.

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I think you are missing the point. I'll admit I enjoy poking the bear a bit for the sake of a chuckle. However, my original post is not about clean cut rp. In fact its about murky issues and being morally compromised.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I'll admit I enjoy poking the bear

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I have 2 alt that I'm playing as permadeath characters.

That being said I haven't done any Savage 80 content. It just scares me with pubs. on a perma death charater.