Bad decision by SE

Is the 14 dev team a sacred cow for some? Because it sure seems like it. To put it simply, they are selling a product. This product and updates have been delayed on short notice. People are angry, and they have a right to be. Simple as.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

It's fine for Square Enix to extend the release date by two weeks, but as multiple people have posted, people are forced due to the hectic raid cycle to skip cutscenes, which renders all that hard work futile. FFXIV has changed a lot in the past year, and people want to prep for endgame as soon as possible to be world first or to get higher numbers on FFLogs. None of us are in control of that, but it's just unfortunate to see the game change so much and people skipping what is likely to be the best story in all of FFXIV. That means less people we can discuss lore with and share those moments with.

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People skipping the story is their own problem. The majority of players are not hardcore raiders and aren't going to rush to endgame so they can wait around for the raid patch, come on. This is a really strange argument to make out of the lot already posted here.

The importance some people place on "world first" or whatever (speaking as someone who has played mmos for decades at this point) will always be strange to me....

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

To put it simply, they are selling a product. This product and updates have been delayed on short notice.

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Absolutely. It's a product. It's a video game/entertainment product. Some would even call it a toy. At most, it's a video game that many of us play and greatly enjoy.
Some people, however, are treating it like it's a massive life changing evolutionary force that they need to schedule their entire being around and, as such, the delay is some soul crushing experience. It sucks if you took time off from work to try to experience it in full right at release (I did too), but it's still a video game.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

People skipping the story is their own problem. The majority of players are not hardcore raiders and aren't going to rush to endgame so they can wait around for the raid patch, come on. This is a really strange argument to make out of the lot already posted here.

The importance some people place on "world first" or whatever (speaking as someone who has played mmos for decades at this point) will always be strange to me....

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You're right, but it's something I've heard from others and it's sad. Yoshida also said that people had planned raid schedules with their statics for Pandaemonium's launch. Maybe people need to temper their expectations and remember that it's just a video game, but people want instant gratification and competition instead.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Absolutely. It's a product. It's a video game/entertainment product. Some would even call it a toy. At most, it's a video game that many of us play and greatly enjoy.
Some people, however, are treating it like it's a massive life changing evolutionary force that they need to schedule their entire being around and, as such, the delay is some soul crushing experience. It sucks if you took time off from work to try to experience it in full right at release (I did too), but it's still a video game.

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You guys are actually planning vacation days around this? That's just sad

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Is the 14 dev team a sacred cow for some? Because it sure seems like it. To put it simply, they are selling a product. This product and updates have been delayed on short notice. People are angry, and they have a right to be. Simple as.

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Why act like your life is depending on the game release date then? You are exactly right which is why most of us don’t even bothered with 2 weeks delay as long as they keep the quality high. As you said, they are selling a product and what is delay if the product needs more time to be perfect? If anything, SE makes a good call and to say otherwise is just being unreasonable. People should know they are taking day off knowing it is always a risk especially for software release.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

It's fine for Square Enix to extend the release date by two weeks, but as multiple people have posted, people are forced due to the hectic raid cycle to skip cutscenes, which renders all that hard work futile. FFXIV has changed a lot in the past year, and people want to prep for endgame as soon as possible to be world first or to get higher numbers on FFLogs. None of us are in control of that, but it's just unfortunate to see the game change so much and people skipping what is likely to be the best story in all of FFXIV. That means less people we can discuss lore with and share those moments with.

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Nobody is forced to do anything they don't want to do. Anything they do for raiding is as big a deal as landing a big fish. It makes for a good story, but ultimately, nobody cares who got what, who got it first any more than how cool my kids' pokemon collection is. Or my Uncle's "train room". Or my private Minecraft world.

What I mean is: It means a lot to me/my uncle/kids/you, but outside of that and a very small circle of people, nobody cares. This ain't the olympics.

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Originally Posted by TalonBlades

December and January is a busy time for retail

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No it is not. Mid November, through to between Christmas and New Years is busy. From the very end of December onwards, retail dies. So even if it was released at the original set date, people in retail would still struggle.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

It's fine for Square Enix to extend the release date by two weeks, but as multiple people have posted, people are forced due to the hectic raid cycle to skip cutscenes, which renders all that hard work futile. FFXIV has changed a lot in the past year, and people want to prep for endgame as soon as possible to be world first or to get higher numbers on FFLogs. None of us are in control of that, but it's just unfortunate to see the game change so much and people skipping what is likely to be the best story in all of FFXIV. That means less people we can discuss lore with and share those moments with.

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you ARE aware you can watch the cutscenes at the inn right?

if your "hectic raid schedule" (which I assume must be in WoW) is a problem, FFxiv will wait, it always does. this FFLogs must be something to measure leetness, well, not sure how a delay is going to affect that. luckily, FFxiv hasnt changed to teh point where you are forced to grind daily and pretend your gaming experience is a job.

plus, while some play that way, I think that many just enjoy the journey, there is no need to rush... there is no prize here for first to cap. just relax, enjoy... you'll live longer and smile more

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Originally Posted by midnitdragoon

You guys are actually planning vacation days around this? That's just sad

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Some people just want to enjoy a game with their friends. Crazy thought I know

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Originally Posted by zcrash970

Some people just want to enjoy a game with their friends. Crazy thought I know

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they don't understand concept of friends its ok.

Not sure why ones keep bringing up Raubahn Extreme. Because I never had one problem with it.

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Originally Posted by midnitdragoon

You guys are actually planning vacation days around this? That's just sad

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some of us don't get much play time during the week. like for me I only get 1 full day a week to play. Rest I only get to play 1 to 2 hours.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Not sure why ones keep bringing up Raubahn Extreme. Because I never had one problem with it.

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"Not sure why ones keep bringing up Cyberpunk 2077. Because I never had one problem with it."

It's interesting how you can see FFXIV's slightly older demographic in most of the responses. And then there's that one person who's like: What's with all the complaints? You have to schedule out your vacation days months in advance from your job? Can't you just skip school on release day?

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Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa

No it is not. Mid November, through to between Christmas and New Years is busy. From the very end of December onwards, retail dies. So even if it was released at the original set date, people in retail would still struggle.

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I used to be in retail about a decade ago and from what I remember jan is one of the most dead months since no money after xmas etc.
November was pretty slow back then, B-Friday wasn't really a commersial hit in Sweden back then, it only been a thing with Cyber monday sales the last couple years. December however was always a living hell with early morning to long evenings.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

It's interesting how you can see FFXIV's slightly older demographic in most of the responses. And then there's that one person who's like: What's with all the complaints? You have to schedule out your vacation days months in advance from your job? Can't you just skip school on release day?

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If you work in retail or any really busy workplace, having to request PTO in advance is very common.

Me personally have a flexible schedule and take days off whenever I want more or less but for early access I will undergo surgery so on a personal level, the delay is very unfortnate but make fun of people being upset and making fun of them having to request days off in advance cause they want to play the new expansion right away is just childish.

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Originally Posted by midnitdragoon

You guys are actually planning vacation days around this? That's just sad

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Why is that sad exacly? That's like saying you can never take time off if you want to do something outside of work.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

This is a really a**hole thing to say, which is rich coming from someone acting as if they had the moral high ground

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Aside of poster being an a**hole from their post history, there seem to be a lot of yes-sayers that act like that since yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I'm not saying to boycott FFXIV, or anything extreme like that. But I am trying to remind the players here the value they have being a subscriber to this game. There are a lot of people out there who are definitely just fine if you forget that fact.

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The reason why there is no accountability is because FFXIV is a game, so as long as it's still fulfilling the purpose of a game for people, they can overlook some "annoyances." Just look at the people complaining about the game and then complain about "gatekeepers" when told to play another game if they find other games more suited to them and maybe even quit FFXIV if they think it's so bad.

That said, boycotting doesn't really work either for a game like FFXIV whose own producer and director encourages people to take breaks (implying they could even unsubscribe) as many times or as long as they want.

FFXIV (from a player perspective, not necessarily a community/game perspective) could also benefit if some people would boycott as the remaining people would have a better short-term experience with less congestion.

So, unless FFXIV really doesn't offer anything anymore for people, considering Yoshida himself accepts the blame for the late decision and the delay itself, what else is there to do but to move on and maybe change how people make decisions in the future on PTO/vacation with respect to game releases, especially during holiday season?

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Originally Posted by midnitdragoon

You guys are actually planning vacation days around this? That's just sad

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Well when you have friends that play and your work schedule conflicts with their schedules requesting time off helps with playing together

I am not unsympathetic to people who scheduled time off to play. I feel bad things didn't work out. I do take exception with people attributing bad reasoning for the delay when we were TOLD the reason for the delay. Either way it is what it is. Don't waste energy on being upset about it and move on and turn it into a positive. Don't waste your precious energy on being upset. I am sorry some of you can not reschedule do something else with that time off and enjoy yourself.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I am not unsympathetic to people who scheduled time off to play. I feel bad things didn't work out. I do take exception with people attributing bad reasoning for the delay when we were TOLD the reason for the delay. Either way it is what it is. Don't waste energy on being upset about it and move on and turn it into a positive. Don't waste your precious energy on being upset. I am sorry some of you can not reschedule do something else with that time off and enjoy yourself.

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I agree. There's alot of things one can do like unlock content, get some gil or prepare your gear. I always disliked hype culture because eventually you will get used to the product like people did when ShB released. Take it slow is what I say.

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Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa

No it is not. Mid November, through to between Christmas and New Years is busy. From the very end of December onwards, retail dies. So even if it was released at the original set date, people in retail would still struggle.

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January was still pretty busy when I was in retail, but I was in receiving. All of the post-holiday freight coming in, plus all of the Valentines candy that usually starts shipping before New Years. Combined with lingering holiday junk in the way (wrapping paper and bows, in particular, could take weeks to clear out, if the manager didn't just let us ship it back as salvage), the back room was a total cluster. Mid-February to March was when it slowed down for a bit.

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Originally Posted by Shin96

I agree. There's alot of things one can do like unlock content, get some gil or prepare your gear. I always disliked hype culture because eventually you will get used to the product like people did when ShB released. Take it slow is what I say.

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I already had other plans for my PTO. Week 1 was to play XIV, level Sage and enjoy the story, week 2 I was festive shopping, getting that out of the way, and then just a couple chill days.
Apart from ults, and rerunning old content, there is not a lot to do for me, unless I went full sadge and ground all the relics.
Currently have 406 412 418 healer gear sets, all melded, currently about to have all tomes capped, and sat on 41M gil ready for a house.
Soooo yea, I was ready way in advance for this.
I am going to see if I can swap my PTO, I only need to move 1 week, so week 1 would then be festive shopping, and then from Dec 4th, EW and story, but this is a huge IF, which I am already doubting will be approved.

But also a deep part of me things, this is only the 1st delay, you won't get much changes in an extra 2 weeks, I would not be surprised if in 2 weeks, it gets another 2 week delay. Honestly they should of just said 3 month delay, launch into next year, so they have plenty of time to make adjustments.

My suggestion is make sure you have all jobs leveled that you want leveled don't get caught with being halfway through a level because there will also be a reset with this expansion. That means if your halfway through a level it will be set back to as if you just gained a level. This time delay maybe a good thing for people still leveling jobs.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

My suggestion is make sure you have all jobs leveled that you want leveled don't get caught with being halfway through a level because there will also be a reset with this expansion. That means if your halfway through a level it will be set back to as if you just gained a level. This time delay maybe a good thing for people still leveling jobs.

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Everything is maxed out for me, including blu, all spells, and getting the extra wep too from gogo clear, in under 6:50 without taking avoidable dmg

Just remember those days where you payed for the subscription only not to play. Like in all the expansions before. You’ll get bored and not even log on. So in this expansion you will also get bored and not log in.

At least you’re not the people who die before the expansion comes out and never get to see it. If it came out in November they would’ve see it and lived, but now they will die and never see it.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Just remember those days where you payed for the subscription only not to play. Like in all the expansions before. You’ll get bored and not even log on. So in this expansion you will also get bored and not log in.

At least you’re not the people who die before the expansion comes out and never get to see it. If it came out in November they would’ve see it and lived, but now they will die and never see it.

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Óookay dokie

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

January was still pretty busy when I was in retail, but I was in receiving. All of the post-holiday freight coming in, plus all of the Valentines candy that usually starts shipping before New Years. Combined with lingering holiday junk in the way (wrapping paper and bows, in particular, could take weeks to clear out, if the manager didn't just let us ship it back as salvage), the back room was a total cluster. Mid-February to March was when it slowed down for a bit.

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January is returns season too. >_<

When your target audience is young (school-college age) november/winter is a good release target. (Winter break, snow days, holiday presents)
When your target audience is working adults, november/winter is awful. (Family visits, retail sufferers, parents with kids home, etc)

I understand people being frustrated but delays happen, and when they do its better to be a day late than a dollar short.

*licks finger and raises in the air
...yup, post needs otters...

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I normally don't get in on stuff like this, but it is flat annoying. Everyone has a right to be annoyed and in fact, a right to be pissed off. We were told by a company a product WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OUR MONEY FOR (this is kinda key), is getting delayed.

Nothing else matters. Literally. If people wanna be pissed about this, then it is perfectly valid for a consumer to be upset.

Personal story: I spent money from this pay period on 14 because I expected it on the 19th. It is now pushed back to what is in a different pay period December. I essentially threw $40 at nothing. I could have used that money this month for something else. A different game to bide my time. But nope, I got lied to. The reasons don't really matter. It is their job to provide the product on the specified day if they are confident enough to take my cash.

Now, is it something worth freaking out over, not really. Not to me. But if it is enough to set someone else off, they are well within their rights to feel torched.

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

I normally don't get in on stuff like this, but it is flat annoying. Everyone has a right to be annoyed and in fact, a right to be pissed off. We were told by a company a product WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OUR MONEY FOR (this is kinda key), is getting delayed.

Nothing else matters. Literally. If people wanna be pissed about this, then it is perfectly valid for a consumer to be upset.

Personal story: I spent money from this pay period on 14 because I expected it on the 19th. It is now pushed back to what is in a different pay period December. I essentially threw $40 at nothing. I could have used that money this month for something else. A different game to bide my time. But nope, I got lied to. The reasons don't really matter. It is their job to provide the product on the specified day if they are confident enough to take my cash.

Now, is it something worth freaking out over, not really. Not to me. But if it is enough to set someone else off, they are well within their rights to feel torched.

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If companies waited until they are 100% sure about a release date to announce it, they would not announce it before the game gets gold.
You did not get lied to, they just had to change plans because of last minute impediments. That can happen in basically any type of project where a deadline is set. I worked on many IT projects and a lot of them got last minute delays.

That said, yes, people should be upset. 100%. I think it is even fair to request a month of free subscription or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

If companies waited until they are 100% sure about a release date to announce it, they would not announce it before the game gets gold.
You did not get lied to, they just had to change plans because of last minute impediments. That can happen in basically any type of project where a deadline is set. I worked on many IT projects and a lot of them got last minute delays.

That said, yes, people should be upset. 100%. I think it is even fair to request a month of free subscription or something like that.

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We can quibble over the use of lied, but I think it really comes down to something more fundamental. They took my money on an exchange. Now, personally, if you are confident enough to take my cash, you best as hell deliver.

They did not. Compensation to alleviate my annoyance for their shirking would be welcome but I doubt it will come.

We can both agree it isn't an end of the world deal for sure, it is just a game.

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Originally Posted by TalonBlades

I am writing this today, as SE made a very poor judgment, which effects many of us across the globe, and to this, will cause issues for far too many of us.
December and January is a busy time for retail, and it requires full staff to avoid disruption. Many of us, kept our annual leave days, so we could play and enjoy the Endwalker story at its original release dats, this will now not happen, because of the bad decision to move it into the worst time of year for retail workers. Some like myslef won't be able to enjoy the story until at least February or March now, or to be able to keep up with savage raiding, will have to skip the story entirely, as of this poor new release.

To counter this, and stop you ruining a lot of players fun and the want to enjoy the game and story properly, you need to either honour your original release date, or the release needs to be postponed until at least February or March 2020, so the whole player base can enjoy the story without rushing or skipping, to keep up with endgame progression.

This is one of the worst decisions in SE history along with the making of "The Avengers" game.

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...but we're in 2021...

First world problems, get over it . . .

Jeez, the guy cried on stream and apologized repeatedly ... what else do you need ...

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Originally Posted by Kraniel

Jeez, the guy cried on stream and apologized repeatedly ... what else do you need ...

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A sacrifice. Bring on the sacrificial Lalafells!

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

I normally don't get in on stuff like this, but it is flat annoying. Everyone has a right to be annoyed and in fact, a right to be pissed off. We were told by a company a product WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OUR MONEY FOR (this is kinda key), is getting delayed.

Nothing else matters. Literally. If people wanna be pissed about this, then it is perfectly valid for a consumer to be upset.

Personal story: I spent money from this pay period on 14 because I expected it on the 19th. It is now pushed back to what is in a different pay period December. I essentially threw $40 at nothing. I could have used that money this month for something else. A different game to bide my time. But nope, I got lied to. The reasons don't really matter. It is their job to provide the product on the specified day if they are confident enough to take my cash.

Now, is it something worth freaking out over, not really. Not to me. But if it is enough to set someone else off, they are well within their rights to feel torched.

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Definition of a lie:
"a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth"

Needing more time to ensure the game is able to function properly is no where near a deliberate intent to deceive or otherwise intentionally mislead.

Likewise, I don't understand why you want a buggy game launch. It's rare for a company these days to take the backlash to release a game in a fully playable state. Have you seen how buggy Far Cry 6 is? That game needed a good QA delay but why bother, Ubisoft can just fix it after they got people's money. See that feels more deceptive to me.

Just means a shorter login in que for the rest of us

I have one thing I like to ask. Why people here defending the game as if they're life depends on it? It's just a game as you say,no? Do I miss something? Now if SE was more nice to the costumers they give a small compensation for this. Lots 9f scamy f2p games do this.