Quinn hating on the game.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Yeah I've sat watching it with some kind of macabre fascination. Asmongolds first day was a disgrace and I'm very glad the ban hammer came out swift and true. The reaction to this Quinn guy is getting blown massively out of proportion though, the twitter thread you posted is tame af, I've seen worse behavior in Spongebob forums. He provoked the community, then stood back in shock clutching his handbag when they clapped back. His own fans and moderators are clapping back at him about it never mind the FFXIV players.

As the twitter thread said, he has simply reaped what he sowed.

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Oh i did not post that about his comments being attacked. I just post to agree with him. You would have to watch his stream, and his first comment (it was a dumb comment I did not agree with.) about the dog pile stuff.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Oh i did not post that about his comments being attacked. I just post to agree with him. You would have to watch his stream, and his first comment (it was a dumb comment I did not agree with.) about the dog pile stuff.

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I'm not sure which stream you're referring to here. I did see a bit of Zach's stream yesterday and just by chance caught a bit where he was talking about Quinn. I've really enjoyed Asmons stuff recently so I'm no hater but I did think he was being a huge hypocrite on this. Quinn is a public figure, the same as a sportsman, actor or politician. If they provoke a crowd, which in my opinion he very much did, then don't go crying about getting stick back. He gets to say whatever he wants and gets to like whatever he likes, but everyone else gets that right too. Streamers aren't in a religious authority position, they are open to criticism and if they start flaming...... well I hope they're ready for the backlash.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

so another big streamer is trying the game right now. Summit and it is a coin toss if he likes it or not.
And if he says something bad about game and they dog pile him. Oh boy.
Sadly we can't do anything about it. These players are so loud and come out in droves. It makes it seem like these basket cases are the community.

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It's simple:
"I don't like the game and the story sticked with me."

Only LazyPeon and Quinn got a backlash, because they skipped the story and criticized the story.
Imagine if a big celebrity would watch the first 10 mins of Lord of the ring, then skip to the end of the last movie to then criticize the movie is bad. No doubt history would repeat.
Critics are welcomed, bias are not. And when you have a bias, you're pretty obvious about it if you start explaining why you don't lie X.

Easy example, everyone critics the pvp to not be attractive and everyone agrees with it. ARR was a slog (now it's a bit better), everyone agrees with it.
The game is not perfect, we don't know all its flaws and strength but we sure can recognize a bias against it.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I'm not sure which stream you're referring to here. I did see a bit of Zach's stream yesterday and just by chance caught a bit where he was talking about Quinn. I've really enjoyed Asmons stuff recently so I'm no hater but I did think he was being a huge hypocrite on this.

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Yeah, Asmongold just shut any conversation about Quinn and removed anything about it on his reddit without even trying to grasp the context.
If they are friends (He mentioned they talked together), it can be understandable. No matter what shit you friend pulls, you don't throw them under the bus.
Maybe he simply doesn't wants to deal with it because taking any side would be counter-productive to him.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

It's simple:
"I don't like the game and the story sticked with me."

Only LazyPeon and Quinn got a backlash, because they skipped the story and criticized the story.
Imagine if a big celebrity would watch the first 10 mins of Lord of the ring, then skip to the end of the last movie to then criticize the movie is bad. No doubt history would repeat.
Critics are welcomed, bias are not. And when you have a bias, you're pretty obvious about it if you start explaining why you don't lie X.

Easy example, everyone critics the pvp to not be attractive and everyone agrees with it. ARR was a slog (now it's a bit better), everyone agrees with it.
The game is not perfect, we don't know all its flaws and strength but we sure can recognize a bias against it.

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They don't deserve the backlash because of how they played.


How about this. It is squares fault for having a boost in the first place, because in other games it is the normal to boost. So this company in a cash grab has a cash shop item that can ruin the game for certain amount of people. So that is the fault with the company.


It can easily be turned around like that, but that is not really my point. My point is, lazy peon, and Quinn both don't deserve to be attacked for having dumb takes.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

They don't deserve the backlash because of how they played.
How about this. It is squares fault for having a boost in the first place, because in other games it is the normal to boost. So this company in a cash grab has a cash shop item that can ruin the game for certain amount of people. So that is the fault with the company.

It can easily be turned around like that, but that is not really my point. My point is, lazy peon, and Quinn both don't deserve to be attacked for having dumb takes.

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No you don't deserve a backslash based on how you play a game. Otherwise game journalists would have a hardtime.
No one deserves backlash like no one deserves to burn themselves when they play with fire. But that's a consequence that is out of our hands.
On top of that, the backlash is not about "how they played" but what they criticize based on the ridiculously low experience they had with the game.

The boosts is not SQEX fault, look at the fire example just above. Boost is a tool, if you know how and when to use it, it's great. If you don't your experience of the game will be reduced.
But for a first experience, it's not advised to use a boost. Fun fact, Quinn did a poll to ask his community if he should quit the game or boost.
Obviously his viewers saw that it wasn't his game and advised him to quit (70% of them), yet he decided to boost.

Xenosys has a great take on the boost, if you're not a story enjoyer you can boost as the game doesn't teach mechanics or anything about the game. But you have to do homework to understand the game.
Again, there's plenty of materials to show that they did not do any of these and used the boost in the worst way possible.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

They don't deserve the backlash because of how they played.

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That's the price you have to pay for having far more influence than us normal people though. If I say something stupid in a work meeting or down the pub I will receive backlash, it's just limited to the people who heard what I said. I can also only influence a small group of people. They can influence thousands of people but the scale of backlash mirrors that.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

No you don't deserve a backslash based on how you play a game. Otherwise game journalists would have a hardtime.
No one deserves backlash like no one deserves to burn themselves when they play with fire. But that's a consequence that is out of our hands.
On top of that, the backlash is not about "how they played" but what they criticize based on the ridiculously low experience they had with the game.

The boosts is not SQEX fault, look at the fire example just above. Boost is a tool, if you know how and when to use it, it's great. If you don't your experience of the game will be reduced.
But for a first experience, it's not advised to use a boost. Fun fact, Quinn did a poll to ask his community if he should quit the game or boost.
Obviously his viewers saw that it wasn't his game and advised him to quit (70% of them), yet he decided to boost.

Xenosys has a great take on the boost, if you're not a story enjoyer you can boost as the game doesn't teach mechanics or anything about the game. But you have to do homework to understand the game.
Again, there's plenty of materials to show that they did not do any of these and used the boost in the worst way possible.

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I mean what they said was true to them, and even if it is not. I still don't see how someone dumb two cents is worth getting that upset over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFhzDLFc0ks


More and more content makers, and streamers are seeing the dark side of the community that I've known about for years. The person is wrong with his takes, and said some stupid stuff, but the outrage he got was just silly.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Yeah, Asmongold just shut any conversation about Quinn and removed anything about it on his reddit without even trying to grasp the context.
If they are friends (He mentioned they talked together), it can be understandable. No matter what shit you friend pulls, you don't throw them under the bus.
Maybe he simply doesn't wants to deal with it because taking any side would be counter-productive to him.

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Asmongold does that because he knows exactly how mob mentality can easily go either way. It starts with Quin but later can come at him too. He just wants any kind of mob behavior to die down quickly because it is not healthy for anyone.

So I can see why he didn't want to get into the context for him, it's do or die when it comes to this.
That's why his take was also that those people even if they are called "minority" still represent the FFXIV community as a whole with this kind of behavior, while I do not agree that 100 extremely toxic players can represent a whole community I can see his standpoint though.

Because if you view it from the outside you see exactly those 100 people going on a rampage, so for outsiders they do represent the FFXIV community as a whole.
That being said it played out well FOR Quin because people did play in his hands. I happened to watch the stream when he made the first tweet, he provoked the "FF weebs" as he called the community to come at him when he opened this tweet and people took the bait.
Quin became LazyPeon 2.0 and Asmon also heard about the lazypeon thing, what he does not know is, that outside of LazyPeon and Quin no one got that hard of a backlash from the FF community.

The information Asmon has is that the community CAN be very toxic to "streamers in general" if they criticize their game. Thats why he will not start to argue with people about that and just wants to bring a stop to this. He has seen time and again what mob mentality can do when left unchecked with his own community.
It starts as memes and can end in death threats.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFhzDLFc0ks

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There is a few missing points but TL;DW: "Quinn doesn't deserves backlash no matter how bad his critics are".
And that's exactly what we are talking about for hours now.

Big missing points:
-People are crapping on his dps -> Because he stated he was top DPS and playing perfectly.
-"Gave the game a fair shot" -> He didn't, he went in with a bias. Fully determined to hate the game.
-Even his own community called him out for his crap and that's not mentionned anywhere, mods included. They weren't backlashing, it wasn't XIV community and they were upset as well.

The problem is not his opinions, it's his attitude.

Let me give you a truth:
Everyone can be angry and upset. There's no magic community that is immune to it. How you manage your anger depends on each individual and that includes Quinn that has massive problem when it comes to anger management.
There's no community with a "dark side", it's always a bunch of human people sticked together.
The problem now is that his defenders plays the victim card to hide his behavior and his "fair and honest take". He doesn't likes the game, so be it. But that's not what people are calling him for.

He's being called out for his dishonnesty and narcissism. Which of course he doesn't deserves to be backlashed for.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

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It goes back to the whole maxim of "Treat people how you wish to be treated yourself" - Now I'm not saying the magnitude of hate he received for his comments is warranted. But in the same vein if you aren't going to respect the game itself enough to give it a proper try before trying to make some bold critiques about it then he's going to get backlash for it.

For example; and whilst I would agree here the starting of ARR is obnoxiously slow. But he didn't even give it the time of day beyond that to even try to check out the story leading to Stormblood, or even the Inn room that matter- Before trying to dump on the quality of the lore overall whilst subsequently trying to make comparisons between the lore of WoW and FFXIV.

Another example just being the downright and blatant lack of common courtesy for trying to learn the systems in-game, be it combat, mechanically, or otherwise. There are genuine issues with the gameplay itself, sure, but again it goes back to the common courtesy of giving the game a genuine try before reviewing these. He was critiquing systems that he blatantly didn't understand how to play or the purpose for said choices. E.g. if you call the gameplay and combat slow and clunky whilst in the same vein not using all of your skills, and the oGCDs that are used were being used as GCDs. Of course, he's going to find it clunky, oGCDs help give the game a lot more fluency.

Next comes the whole conundrum with the community itself. In many cases when he died it was for reasons that were blatantly his own. When you stand in 2 Fire orb AoEs and get clapped for your maximum HP twice over then I'm sorry but no healer is saving you, hard as they might try. Then when you subsequently deflect these mistakes as though they're that of anyone but your own, then you're going to meet the ire. You'd get called out on this with any team-oriented game.

Finally, comes the bold claim that he was keeping up with many experienced Level 80 players when in reality this is simply untrue. Not to mention this is incredibly disrespectful towards many people that put a significant time into learning their class. If you aren't good at the game, or suck at the game, or underperform at the game, all of these things are OK, these elements are ironed out as you become more familiar with encounters and the game systems themselves. But don't try and say you were keeping up with experienced players/veterans of the game.

If any reviewer went with the same conduct that he carried when trying to make even a remotely informed or substantiated claims or review, and especially if the conduct were publicly visible, they would get crucified and shunned by any community. As I've personally stated, I don't take an issue with the opinions he had, just the simple fact of the matter that his opinions were created through poor conduct, and an outright lack of passion or regard for the game and community itself therein.

It doesn't all justify the magnitude of hate or harassment that you get but again, it goes back to the two simple maxims of "Treat people how you wish to be treated yourself" and "You reap what you sow" - It just so happens a lot of people in this community follow these quite heavily, and then scorn got met with scorn.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

They don't deserve the backlash because of how they played.

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why am I not surprised about you saying this :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

why am I not surprised about you saying this :rolleyes:

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Yes common sense is a lost art I know. I'm just glad more and more content makers are at last calling this community out on things like this. It needs to end.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Yes common sense is a lost art I know. I'm just glad more and more content makers are at last calling this community out on things like this. It needs to end.

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I'm sure there is some bad apples in this case like in any other cases but imo the issue was his attitude. Had he just said game isn't for me and quit (or not saying anything an quit) the people wouldn't critic it as much. He's just another big mouth streamer in my book from what i seen of Quinn.

Look on the bright side. The fool blew some money on a couple jump potions and bought a few expansions to support the devs. Poor gameplay and dishonesty not withstanding.

And I think his viewers calling him out on his shit is the actual common sense here. At the end of the day he just comes off as a airhead streamer that has a following due to a series of obnoxious over the top unfunny quips.

He pretty much cheated to endgame and that is frowned upon because as others have said he didn't give the game a honest and fair shot.

I would really appreciate a forum mod just locking this thread and filing Quin69 under the LazyPeon 2.0 dust bin of history honestly. Twitch streamers with thousands and millions of views pretending like their opinions are the same as some regular player is disingenuous at best and lying at worse.

Flagging the original post to ask the forum moderators to lock this mess. The FF14 community is well aware of what happened here and Twitch streamers turning a blind eye or trying to stir up more drama to paint the FF14 community as horrible white knight toxic people is not going to accomplish anything except get them rage clicks.

Another high school drama in the little FF14 world. Move on, or grow up. It's whatever.

Tbh, it just sounds like he didnt enjoy the game from the get go and wanted to jump in for the hype train. I also dont buy into this thing of "buying a boost" invalidates his opinion either -- since he CLEARLY was at the point of:

A) Quitting the game
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B) Boosting to squeeze out the content

Im going to sit in the middle and say both Quin and the community is being disingenuous towards this situation. Quin came in with not good intentions to a game he was not going to like -- and didnt like it. FF14 players are instantly writing him off as LazyPeon because he bought a boost -- even if his criticism of ARR matches literally every other criticism of ARR from the community.

Oh boy, i sure hope all this streamer crap has died down when endwalker is released.

Literally who?

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Tbh, it just sounds like he didnt enjoy the game from the get go and wanted to jump in for the hype train. I also dont buy into this thing of "buying a boost" invalidates his opinion either -- since he CLEARLY was at the point of:

A) Quitting the game
or
B) Boosting to squeeze out the content

Im going to sit in the middle and say both Quin and the community is being disingenuous towards this situation. Quin came in with not good intentions to a game he was not going to like -- and didnt like it. FF14 players are instantly writing him off as LazyPeon because he bought a boost -- even if his criticism of ARR matches literally every other criticism of ARR from the community.

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Except he didn't even get to the bad parts of ARR. He skipped after doing Sastasha.

He sucked at the game because he skipped the tutorial, and instead of doing homework on how to play the class he bought, he went in blind and so still sucked at the game. It's like someone drove their mom's minivan a couple of times as a teenager, and then got behind the wheel of a Ferrarri, and crashed it within 10 minutes. Then said that the Ferrari was crap.

He's allowed not to like the game! He said he hates reading, and that is why he didn't like the story. A text heavy RPG is obviously not what he needs to be playing then. It's personally never bothered me because I'm a speed reader, but I can get behind that as a valid reason to dislike XIV.

Skipping 70 levels without learning to play your new class and then getting mad when you die? That's what he is getting mocked for.

My 2 cents over the subject (like anybody care rofl)
Guy didn't like the game and that's it, do I agree with his review? Not at all.
Leave at that, it doesn't matter if it was fair or not. His loss.

You don't have to like the story to enjoy the game, it enrich it obviously being a Final Fantasy game and the story is on par with a AAA game imo.

However he did boost, complain people aren't doing their part when he die to basic aoes. Then complain story wasn't great (well you skipped so you base that on what, 10 msq quests you did?).

Again he came in with a bias, wrong reason to play and skipped then cry over people call him out on it.

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He's allowed not to like the game! He said he hates reading, and that is why he didn't like the story. A text heavy RPG is obviously not what he needs to be playing then. It's personally never bothered me because I'm a speed reader, but I can get behind that as a valid reason to dislike XIV..

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Which is why I said "He went into a game with not the best intentions to a game he wouldnt like". Thats where the story should begin and end -- hes not a story player at all. Its not a game for him.

People are treating this more than it should be. I agree with his audience clowning him -- but the community doing way too much to talk about it and call him another LazyPeon is getting weird.

Its a good thing he quit, his attitude was garbage.

I like how it seems all the pent up anger that was reserved for Asmon ended up going to him instead for doing the very thing everyone was expecting Asmon to do, but didn't. Not like it's undeserved though, I guess being unanimously panned and ridiculed in all social media platforms is still a form of clout

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I just hope situations such as this aren't exploited as a way to deflect legitimate criticism of the game.

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They will be but there's no reason such attempts to exploit it should be taken seriously.

This is why I use YouTube for music and for clearing content only. Who cares about any of these people? -Not this chick.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I guess being unanimously panned and ridiculed in all social media platforms is still a form of clout

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Some like to say that there's no such thing as negative publicity. It's all just publicity. It lets others know you exist and gets some of them to follow you.

As much as MPK tends to troll in the forums, he's absolutely correct in that part of the community has been played here. They're now giving this guy views he would have never gotten for the sake of mocking him. People who had no idea he exists now know he exists and might well just start following his streams hoping to get more lulz.

Twitch and YouTube don't know someone's motivation for watching a stream or video. They just know that it's being watched and that move the content creator up in views.

The very people who are hating on this guy have effectively made him more popular.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Some like to say that there's no such thing as negative publicity. It's all just publicity. It lets others know you exist and gets some of them to follow you.

As much as MPK tends to troll in the forums, he's absolutely correct in that part of the community has been played here. They're now giving this guy views he would have never gotten for the sake of mocking him. People who had no idea he exists now know he exists and might well just start following his streams hoping to get more lulz.

Twitch and YouTube don't know someone's motivation for watching a stream or video. They just know that it's being watched and that move the content creator up in views.

The very people who are hating on this guy have effectively made him more popular.

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I disagree, as someone argued earlier the maxim "no such thing as bad publicity" isn't always true anymore. In the age of social media and cancel culture making a fool of yourself in public can easily lead to being blacklisted and losing contracts. He also seems to be a poor streamer so even if he did get a tiny initial boost it won't last but even that's doubtful as his own community turned on him at least as much as the FFXIV players did.

No such thing as bad publicity was a thing when it was hard to make a lot of noise, it's not hard anymore.

The only way to effectively deal with a narcissist is to ignore them.
At the end of the day, he just wants attention. Ignore him and move on.

I just watched the vid, laughed my ass off, showed it to my friends, we laughed again and... then I moved on.

I still chuckle thinking about it.
Wish there was more. x)

Quinn acted like Darksyde Phil and got treated like Darksyde Phil for it, then was shocked by it. That's all the happened.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I just watched the vid, laughed my ass off, showed it to my friends, we laughed again and... then I moved on.

I still chuckle thinking about it.
Wish there was more. x)

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Yup, while my husband laughed how the community react to his dumb take. I was more embarrassed, We should not have to tell these people that personal attacks because of a video game is childish and makes you look like you got some mental issues.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Yup, while my husband laughed how the community react to his dumb take. I was more embarrassed, We should not have to tell these people that personal attacks because of a video game is childish and makes you look like you got some mental issues.

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Well for me suggesting people have mental issues, for calling a spade a spade looks like, you know, you have mental issues

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Well for me suggesting people have mental issues, for calling a spade a spade looks like, you know, you have mental issues

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cool, but my point still stands. If you take it personal from a guy who clearly is acting like a fool for views. Who says bad things about this game. You might have some issues that needs to be worked on. As someone said ignore him, and stop embarrassing the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

cool, but my point still stands. If you take it personal from a guy who clearly is acting like a fool for views. Who says bad things about this game. You might have some issues that needs to be worked on. As someone said ignore him, and stop embarrassing the rest of us.

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I just said I find him arrogant, obnoxious and abrasive. I dont care what he thinks of the game. My point was that suggesting people have mental issues just because they call a spade a spade isn't any better than calling this guy obnoxious, arguably it's worse, at least this guy is trying to be obnoxious.

Edit: putting this here due to hitting daily post limit

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Than you need to reread what I said. Taking it personal and attacking someone is not the same for calling him out for being a spade...but ya If you can't figure that out. I got no time to teach you. Since not my place to do it.

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And I dont have time to teach you what a hypocrite is, so much foruming, so little daily post limit.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I just said I find him arrogant, obnoxious and abrasive. I dont care what he thinks of the game. My point was that suggesting people have mental issues just because they call a spade a spade isn't any better than calling this guy obnoxious, arguably it's worse, at least this guy is trying to be obnoxious.

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Than you need to reread what I said. Taking it personal and attacking someone is not the same for calling him out for being a spade...but ya If you can't figure that out. I got no time to teach you. Since not my place to do it. Also if you can't call out mental issues without taking it personal or think it is me attacking someone. That is a you problem. Many people have mental issues, and unless it gets called out. How will they know to seek help?

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

And I dont have time to teach you what a hypocrite is, so much foruming, so little daily post limit.

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I would use that time to go google the meaning of the word.

nah, you should definitively be the one that should look it up
entitlement too, now that you're at it!

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

nah, you should definitively be the one that should look it up
entitlement too, now that you're at it!

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That is very rich coming from you. I got a good laugh thank you.


Now to go back on the topic at hand. The people who attacked Quinn for having a bad take and acting like a moron. He did not attack you personally. He attacked the game, and his take was wrong and stupid. Attacking him for being wrong, is about as pointless as Rinhi trying to be clever.


All you did was give him more fame, and made the community look worse. Some of you all need to chill out.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I disagree, as someone argued earlier the maxim "no such thing as bad publicity" isn't always true anymore. In the age of social media and cancel culture making a fool of yourself in public can easily lead to being blacklisted and losing contracts. He also seems to be a poor streamer so even if he did get a tiny initial boost it won't last but even that's doubtful as his own community turned on him at least as much as the FFXIV players did.

No such thing as bad publicity was a thing when it was hard to make a lot of noise, it's not hard anymore.

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Always the risk with negative publicity - it can backfire.

The question is: how has his viewership changed since he did this? Does he have more followers or less?

If he's got more, then the negative publicity worked for him.