Does anyone actually enjoy guildleves?

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Originally Posted by Mack

Leves are story driven, they're still no fun. And Solo or otherwise. If you're enjoying yourself in partying leves its not because of the fact that you're in a party its probably because you're enjoying the company of others, meaning I wont get that satisfaction by grouping up with randoms on a daily basis.

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Leves are not story driven. They have absolutely nothing to do with the story of FFXIV and are just daily quests. "Hey, these guys are pissing in the aquifers, go kill them."

Quests and side-quests are story driven and I find them fun because despite the fact that they are mostly run from point A to B to C and talk to people, they reveal more backstory and story on the game. Leves do not.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Leves are not story driven. They have absolutely nothing to do with the story of FFXIV and are just daily quests. "Hey, these guys are pissing in the aquifers, go kill them."

Quests and side-quests are story driven and I find them fun because despite the fact that they are mostly run from point A to B to C and talk to people, they reveal more backstory and story on the game. Leves do not.

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What are you talking about? leves and side quests are almost the same thing except they become more personal. Leve: Miqote Lisa wants you to retrieve her stolen crap from five Dodos. Quest: Miqote Lisa: Hello! can you please retrieve my stolen crap from five Dodos? they're the same. The only thing intensely story driven in this game is the storyline itself and the class quests but if we're talking side quests and leves they are one and the same, its up to you to decide to read them or not.

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Originally Posted by Mack

What are you talking about? leves and side quests are almost the same thing except they become more personal. Leve: Miqote Lisa wants you to retrieve her stolen crap from five Dodos. Quest: Miqote Lisa: Hello! can you please retrieve my stolen crap from five Dodos? they're the same. The only thing intensely story driven in this game is the storyline itself and the class quests but if we're talking side quests and leves they are one and the same, its up to you to decide to read them or not.

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Here are a sampling of a few side-quests currently in game.

"Fhruybolg of the Gladiators' Guild has asked for your aid in finding heroes from across the realm to recruit for the coming reformation of the Grand Companies. Speak to the people of Ul'dah and gather what information you can."

"The ecologically minded U'bokhn tells you of her environmental-action
group, Desert Shade. Despite their best efforts to have seeds take root in
Ul'dahn soil, stuffed dodos quickly consume anything resembling and green
shoot. She asks that you travel to the Nanawa Mines in Thanalan and
exterminate eight of these pests."

"The barkeeper of the tavern at Amajina & Sons' Mineral Concern, Tyago Moui, has asked you to aid in gathering material for a bard compiling a series of tales concerning the twelve Archons. To provide inspiration for the bard's depiction of the great warrior Archon Ahldbhar, go and speak to the famed gladiator, Lyngwaek."

"The sentry Kinnison, who stands watch before the Lotus Stand, is concerned over the well-being of the Seedseers-Gridania's three wood-wandering sages. He requests that you call upon five townspeople who may well have seen or heard from them in recent days. Visit the individuals and learn what you can."

Now here's some from leves.

"The fields near Camp Bearded Rock have become infested with rat moles, whose burrowing has severed the roots of various rare herbs native to the area. To protect the herbs and the livelihood of those who harvest them, seek out and exterminate the subterranean pests."

"The Stillglade Fane is busy making preparations for this moon's Woodgreet Mass, and requires several evenfall fireflies so use in the Rites of Purification. In which two and ten of the luminous creatures are released from a basket over the Fane, their light believed to cleanse the sacred land and prepare it for ceremonies to follow."

"In an attempt to document the habitats of different varieties of forest-dwelling wavekin in the area, the Limsa Lominsan Fishermen's Guild is hiring adventurers to travel to the cenotes near Camp Emerald Moss, fish the waters, and report to the guild their findings. "

"To protect his ship against ambushes by pirates and Sahagin alike, the captain of the cargo ship the Dawn Trader has hired several mercenaries to accompany his crew on its next voyage . To ensure the mercenaries have enough equipment to fend off any threats, ship storesman Leveridge Halborn is currently looking to restock his armory with spare weapons and is searching for skilled blacksmiths to create the items. "

Notice how the Side-quests actually tie-in with something already in place in the story (except An Inconvenient Dodo) while levequests are generally helping an inconsequential NPC do something? Side-quests tie into something larger to do with the story, while levequests do not. Levequests have background lore in them, but side-quests and quests serve to further the lore :/

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Am I saying remove ALL solo aspects of the game? No. What I AM saying is that they need to make the game LESS soloable and more group oriented. For example, you should be able to solo to about...20, then from there you should need to get a party for any decent exp, but still be able to solo, just for about 1/3rd of the exp per hour. This will not only encourage parties and socializing, but it will also help build a community within the game.

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This is pretty much what we will have (supposedly) when the Companies/Dungeons/Instances are introduced. We can currently solo to r50 if we desire, but at r30 will be able to party-up for Dungeons/Instances if we so desire. They have announced r50 content as well which I presume will be a mixture of party-based and soloable.

We have all become impatient for this content as there is still too little to do in Eorzea and what there is (Guildleves/Behests) has become monotonous. The side-quests are very uninspiring as well.

This Final Fantasy World is currently on Life Support and needs an I.V. drip of Lore with interconnected quests, Leves and Missions coursing through it's veins. I hope Dr. Yoshi and his staff are able to save this patient from our impatience.
Once the Heart of Eorzea has been "Rebooted" it will be up to us whether it lives or dies.

I am hopefull that it will be worth saving but we shall see.

not reading the whole post or thread.

But levequests are not "quests". They are job or work orders based on how each disiple levels up. Pretty much they are bounties or job requests (war/magic) and work orders (hand/land). Lore about the levequests are they are jobs we adventurers do to keep busy, since the empire only attack ala mhigo(migho?) Pretty much they are ways we can skill up (level up). Like war and magic level up from killing creatures so our levequests will be about killing things. etc etc.

They are similar to tactics advance/ ff12 bounty system. Where you talk to monte blanc and get orders to go after certain mobs.

I find them fun. As I see them as what they intended for. It beats not doing them and mindlessly grind stuff w/o a reason. (which is boring)

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

not reading the whole post or thread.

But levequests are not "quests". They are job or work orders based on how each disiple levels up. Pretty much they are bounties or job requests (war/magic) and work orders (hand/land). Lore about the levequests are they are jobs we adventurers do to keep busy, since the empire only attack ala mhigo(migho?) Pretty much they are ways we can skill up (level up). Like war and magic level up from killing creatures so our levequests will be about killing things. etc etc.

They are similar to tactics advance/ ff12 bounty system. Where you talk to monte blanc and get orders to go after certain mobs.

I find them fun. As I see them as what they intended for. It beats not doing them and mindlessly grind stuff w/o a reason. (which is boring)

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I understand the intention behind them, but they could be better.

I don't find them fun as they are. A game should be fun, correct me if im wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I find them fun. As I see them as what they intended for. It beats not doing them and mindlessly grind stuff w/o a reason. (which is boring)

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Level 10 huh...

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

I understand the intention behind them, but they could be better.

I don't find them fun as they are. A game should be fun, correct me if im wrong.

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While I agree that leves are boring for myself, I won't start saying that the "game should be fun". By saying that you're trying to change something which is subjective matter in to objective matter, which isn't correct.

There will always be people who do not enjoy something or find it fun. Asking for the game to be fun based on what you think is fun is asking for too much.

I love the leve system. Is just that they don't give much sp anymore and the monsters are mostly the same. :/

The system is nice for xping but does not stand on its own.

Also:

Aw hell naw

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I hate them and I think that they need to be removed. There shouldn't be an alternate form of leveling other than grinding.

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Not cool man not cool.

I remember i did read the first couple leves i made... i stopped reading them.
The leves are the most generic quests i have played in all MMO.
They are so incredibly stylized and simplified,t that it feels like some antique board game.

- You have to approach glowing nodes in the area and then monsters will come running?
Sorry what?

- There is a fat dodo that morphed into a ladybug! Find the dodo!
WHAT?

- re-foster the forest, kill 4 groups of squirrels...
Come on!

- Run back and forth to kill coblyns that spawn at the exact same spot for 30 min.
They might drop some pages of a stupid book and then you get to fight a crab...

- There are some light-rays shining out of the earth, you check them out and get attack by mongrels, bombs and shit

What is it with those light markers? Its ok to have a marker on the map but do you have to wrap the whole quest around it and put a physical glowing marker in the landscape?

Yes, i do understand why we need them, but i would rather like to see real landmarks so the quest can tell me the directions relative to the landmarks so i can find them, which is absolutely impossible atm because every rock formation repeats 10 times.

Some of the quest text are not bad but the quests never resemble the text! You read something exciting but then all you have to do is to kill some stupid mob totally out of context.
Even the treasure chests are totally out of context.

the only quests i liked were the crafting guild quests because they had decent background story and some of the main story quests, BUT i only liked the dialogs/story parts because the actual quests were silly and generic, you just had to kill the same kind of mobs you kill doing the leves.

Are you serious? I didn't read your post, only the title but asking if people enjoy Guildleves is like asking people if they enjoy getting a colonoscopy.

The idea and design behind guildleves is fantastic (a central place for you and your party to gather your tasklist before you go adventuring), but they completely dropped the ball when it came to making them interesting and engaging.

The guildleve system is fantastic, the guild leves themselves need much work.

Do you enjoy colonoscopy?
We have some leves that you might like es well.

or

Users who enjoyed colonoscopy also like the following leves:
bla bla bla

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

The idea and design behind guildleves is fantastic (a central place for you and your party to gather your tasklist before you go adventuring), but they completely dropped the ball when it came to making them interesting and engaging.

The guildleve system is fantastic, the guild leves themselves need much work.

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the idea may be nice but not the result.
If the meeting points were represented by landmarks (Old spooky tree, Rusty broken trains, ruins...) it might be interesting
but having glowing nodes all over the map is as generic as it gets.
also, you get all the leves from the same spot all the time, in exact same intervals of time and a fixed number.
The whole process is repetitive and generic.

First i thought the leves would be like the jobs you get in FF Tactics but no...

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Are you serious? I didn't read your post, only the title but asking if people enjoy Guildleves is like asking people if they enjoy getting a colonoscopy.

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I, for one, love colonoscopies.
If I'm not the one getting one.

If you think that Guildleves are bad, then I like colonoscopies.


























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