What Classes Do You Want to See Next?

It is becoming a pain to level everything over and over again, so now that they have solved the SMN/SCH problem I would actually love it if they went back and used the class system to better effect.

CNJ -> WAR frame -> Tank -> Geomancer -> Greathammers (could swap with Chronomancer)
GLD -> NIN frame -> Melee -> Judge -> Dual swords/clubs/etc.
MRD -> MNK frame -> Ranged Physical -> Berserker -> Chainwhips
LNC -> WHM frame -> Healing -> Oracle/Chronomancer -> Rod (could swap with Chronomancer)
ROG -> ARC frame -> Ranged Physical -> Corsair -> Cannon
THM -> PLD frame -> Melee -> Runeblade/Mystic/Green Mage -> Mace/Scepter/Scimitar


PUG -> DRG frame -> Tank -> ??? -> Spade
ARC -> BLM frame -> Ranged Magical ->??? -> Out of ideas for this guy.

(oh yeah if it's not obvious I would rather we get variations on existing weapons instead of completely new weapons. Seems to me like the devs are running out of actually good ideas for weapons with the addition of Sage, and we are still missing some really cool obvious options like a greathammer that wouldn't take any effort to implement on top of existing templates)

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

It is becoming a pain to level everything over and over again, so now that they have solved the SMN/SCH problem I would actually love it if they went back and used the class system to better effect.

CNJ -> WAR frame -> Tank -> Geomancer -> Greathammers (could swap with Chronomancer)
GLD -> NIN frame -> Melee -> Judge -> Dual swords/clubs/etc.
MRD -> MNK frame -> Ranged Physical -> Berserker -> Chainwhips
LNC -> WHM frame -> Healing -> Oracle/Chronomancer -> Rod (could swap with Chronomancer)
ROG -> ARC frame -> Ranged Physical -> Corsair -> Cannon
THM -> PLD frame -> Melee -> Runeblade/Mystic/Green Mage -> Mace/Scepter/Scimitar


PUG -> DRG frame -> Tank -> ??? -> Spade
ARC -> BLM frame -> Ranged Magical ->??? -> Out of ideas for this guy.

(oh yeah if it's not obvious I would rather we get variations on existing weapons instead of completely new weapons. Seems to me like the devs are running out of actually good ideas for weapons with the addition of Sage, and we are still missing some really cool obvious options like a greathammer that wouldn't take any effort to implement on top of existing bones and animations.)

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While I agree that they should go back and add more branches but IF they do this the classes are going to keep the same type of weapons.

Sword Saint(another hard hitting dps with some raid utilities)
Necromancer(dps pet job that uses void creatures)

A flail and shield type healer like a templar and a dps that uses whips like a beast tamer.

I was looking at the Sword Saint wiki page not too long ago actually, and thinking whether it could still work given that Samurai already exists and... what if Sword Saint was something along the lines of my Advent Children Cloud class idea? Can't get more skilled than fighting with like 6 swords all at once, y'know?

I just want them to delete classes and start everyone with a job.

I really want some kind of Far Eastern scouting DPS that uses poles and the staff weaponskills from XI.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

I just want them to delete classes and start everyone with a job.

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100% this, I really would like to see this. But I guess we already have DRG and RPR with a lookalike weapon.

But a bo-staff would be awesome

A mix between the Seeq Vikings of FFT A2 and Nero's version of the magitek knight minus the death claws.

A Two Handed DPS wielding a Greathammer(gunhammer) that is all about hard hitting dps interwoven with thunder magic.

Mystic Knight. Also known as Rune Fencer, Sorcerer, Spellblade or Spell Fencer.

Going from my assumptions from a previous poll post:

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I've posted about this in the other thread on jobs, but my position for what it's worth is:

My Assumptions:
1) Jobs (or really any additions) are chosen based on what will sell the expansion/get fans excited. $$$
2) Job choices are not forced to fill missing "gaps" in roles. (4 magical ranged including BLU before a 3rd physical ranged)
3) The way roles are organized is fluid. (It used to just be Melee DPS and Ranged DPS)
4) New jobs can be influenced by the place we're going. but this is not a requirement. (YoshiP was originally planning to do SAM in HW)


Job History
2.0: 2 Tanks, 2 Healers, 2 Melee DPS, 3 Ranged DPS (Initial Release)
2.x:+1 Melee(NIN), (Balance of 3 Melee and 3 Ranged DPS)
3.0: +1 Tank(DRK), +1 Ranged(MCH), +1 Healer(AST)
………also, (Ranged "split" to Magical Ranged and Physical Ranged)
4.0: +1 Magical Ranged(RDM), +1 Melee(SAM)
4.x: +1 Magic Ranged (Can be ignored, it's BLU)
5.0: +1 Physical Ranged(DNC), +1 Tank(GNB)

My Guess
A healer and melee DPS as second; Possible magical ranged instead, but I'd bet on melee.

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With the confirmed Reaper and Sage, we now have:

6.0 +1 Melee DPS(RPR?), +1 Healer (SAG?)

This gives us a total of:
4 Tanks
4 Healers
5 Melee DPS (2 Maiming, 2 Striking, 1 Scouting)
3 Ranged Physical DPS
3 Ranged Magic DPS (4 with Blu)

On that, my guess is for near expansions, we will see another melee DPS using the Scouting line of gear, possibly a further division of melee (probably by armor type?).

I also anticipate there will be an expansion with only 1 or no additional jobs at all in the next expansion or two.

Finally, I think their ultimate goal will be no more than 3 of a specific slot or armor type, unless there is a really obvious fit/demand (so no more than 3 shield-type healers)

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Now if we are just going on personal hopes/dreams: Rune Knight and some kinda dual-crossbody wielding Ranger are my pics

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Originally Posted by kaynide

On that, my guess is for near expansions, we will see another melee DPS using the Scouting line of gear, possibly a further division of melee (probably by armor type?).

I also anticipate there will be an expansion with only 1 or no additional jobs at all in the next expansion or two.

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Agreed on Scouting.
However, they also said that
1) They want to add at least one DPS per expansion
2) New jobs are the main selling point of expansions (the reaper and sage trailer have almost 1M views each on youtube. For reference, Male Viera is at 300k.)

So I think they will stick to 2 jobs per expansion for a while, as long as the game remain successful. Otherwise we would never get a tank or a healer anymore.
What I am wondering though, is if they will continue changing all the jobs in each expansion and keep adding more skills etc. I actually think they might stop doing that when we reach level 99.
I mean, of course they will need to do adjustments to each job on each expansion due to battle mechanics changes. But adding new skills and reworking the whole rotation and toolkit of each job in every expansion is an unnecessary timesink at this point in my opinion.
Just pick a handful of jobs to change every few years instead based on player feedback. Don't take the risk breaking something that is loved if it is not needed or asked for.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

Mystic Knight. Also known as Rune Fencer, Sorcerer, Spellblade or Spell Fencer.

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Is that an actual thing in FF?
To me it honestly kinda just sounds like RDM.

I wish RDM was more of a melee tho I really like Rapiers but they're barely in any games.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Is that an actual thing in FF?
To me it honestly kinda just sounds like RDM.

I wish RDM was more of a melee tho I really like Rapiers but they're barely in any games.

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Yup that's a thing in FF11, FFTA, FF5, etc
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Mystic_Knight

RDM is a bit different because the magic and sword skills are not really tied together. RDM is a bit closer to PLD in that aspect, as you alternate between a magical and a physical phase.
The Mystic Knight though, in previous games, is able to enchant its sword. It doesn't necessarily cast a lot of spells.
In fact, I think Mystic Knight could be a good candidate to share gear with Ninja.

Ranger: Dual Axe/Swords - Melee DPS
Hunter: Cross Bows - Physical ranged DPS
Mystic Knight: Snake Sword - Melee DPS
Templar: Heavy Lance & Shield - Tank
Engineer: Two handed Hammer - Tank
Geomancer/ Mystic/ Shaman: Dual bladed staff - Healer
Chemist: Dual pistols - Healer

There are a few options. You could have the Knight design spells by hitting the target and placing/carving runes on or around them. You could have a weapon like a wand, chains, bladed staff, dual wield a Saber to draw/cut runes and a Parrying Dagger to ignite/initiate the spells. Maybe even a large hammer that acts as you "activation stamp" when you finish building your runes like your SEAL OF APPROVAL on casting it. The weapon isn't particularly as important as the mechanics themselves are.

As for me personally I would want a class called an "Eikonoclast" which would be a play on Iconoclast, defined as "a person who attacks cherished beliefs or institutions," or "a destroyer of images used in religious worship." I would have this classes weapons be some variety of two weapons since dual wield is a rare thing atm. These weapons are used to attack and channel their power. They would draw power from Eikons. It would somewhat similar to blue mage except instead of just copying the skills of monsters it would have skills similar to that Eikon such as fire punches or strikes like Ifrit, slamming the ground like Titan, doing the deadly ice slash from Shiva in sword form, etc.

Start the fight with your gap closer, Garuda's Gust. Start your basic attack combo whack whack building up a resource with each attack. Then after a little bit is generated like say 3 or 4 resources you get the option to use a lower tier Eikonic skill like say Ifrit's Impulse or Titan's Trample or Shiva's Sanctum. After you use one of these you get a Rune on a gauge. After you do a few of these and build up 4-5 runes they can be expended in any number of ways using more advanced moves like Shinryu's Shatter, Bahamut's Burn, or Hade's Hadouken. Each of the Tiers of special skills share a short CD so you can weave in a standard combo attack or two between them and you alternate using Eikonic skills of the same tier. That way you are always moving and always looking cool mixing stuff in. After spending all the higher tier skills on the runes then you get access to the big boys move Hydaelyn's Hammer. This big skill activates all of your eikonic powers and lets you choose a couple lower tier and mid teir ones that are enhanced with different effects. Then the cycle starts over again.

I know this may sound whole heartedly retarded for a design but this is the kind of class I would really want. I think of it as a melee-trance type class with a little from monk, what summoner could have been, and then adding its own personality through its animations and different type of weapon. Maybe give it a Saber and a Parrying Dagger, kind of like a Corsair-ish feel. A very cocky type of class feel due to taking and mastering the power of Eikons for themselves. Thank you for anyone who has read this far and to the people who won't eat me alive :)

Job:
Hunter Lv30-90 (DPS)
Beastmaster Lv30-90 (DPS)
Ranger Lv30-90 (DPS)

At this point there aren't really any new jobs/classes that I want.

But rather, weapon types. I'd love to get a whip sword like Sven from Type 0 uses for example. Or Ivy from Soul Calibur as another example.

I wouldn't mind a crossbow class either if they come up with another ranged physical job that's distinct enough from bard/mch/dnc.

A real Bard. Bard is like 90% archer. I know some want a pure archer or maybe a ranger. So split it.

Also Freelancer or Bare.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

Agreed on Scouting.
However, they also said that
1) They want to add at least one DPS per expansion
2) New jobs are the main selling point of expansions (the reaper and sage trailer have almost 1M views each on youtube. For reference, Male Viera is at 300k.)

So I think they will stick to 2 jobs per expansion for a while, as long as the game remain successful. Otherwise we would never get a tank or a healer anymore.
What I am wondering though, is if they will continue changing all the jobs in each expansion and keep adding more skills etc. I actually think they might stop doing that when we reach level 99.
I mean, of course they will need to do adjustments to each job on each expansion due to battle mechanics changes. But adding new skills and reworking the whole rotation and toolkit of each job in every expansion is an unnecessary timesink at this point in my opinion.
Just pick a handful of jobs to change every few years instead based on player feedback. Don't take the risk breaking something that is loved if it is not needed or asked for.

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Makes sense to me.

Assuming the game makes it to 9.0 (3 more expansions, 6 more jobs), I absolutely would expect 4 of those to be some kinda dps, most likely making the melee dps each have 3 per armor type.

...but I still think we'll hit a point where they just don't add a job, or only add one for an expansion.

Something that scratches the itch of a Ret paladin from WoW would be really nice. Maiming gear, a 2h hammer, some party support utility like RDM, but purely melee DPS.

Unpopular opinion: we have enough jobs. I'd rather them focus on improving job identity than keep releasing more.

Another idea I just encountered on reddit that I'm going to expound on a bit:

Sorcerer - a job referencing classic villains from prior final fantasy games (some of which could be derived from the Dissidia games).Would end up feeling a bit like a time mage, with heavy influence from Golbez, ExDeath, and Ultimecia, with other signature moves sprinkled in, which I'm totally cool with.

* Starfall (Mateus)
* Landmine (Mateus)
* Ancient Quake (Xande)
* Particle Beam (CoD)
* Binding Cold (Golbez)
* Genesis Rock (Golbez)
* Sector/Cosmic Ray (Golbez)
* Big Bang (Zeromus)
* Almagest (ExDeath)
* Black Hole (ExDeath)
* White Hole (ExDeath)
* Reverse Polarity (ExDeath)
* Omni Block (ExDeath)
* Trine (Kefka)
* Hyperdrive (Kefka)
* Shadow Flare (Sephiroth)
* Black Materia/Meteor (Sephiroth)
* Meltdown (Ultimecia)
* Shockwave Pulsar (Ultimecia)
* Great Attractor (Ultimecia)
* Apocalypse (Ultimecia)
* Flare Star (Kuja)
* Seraphic Star (Kuja)
* Stellar Burst (Eald'narche)

Other iconic moves that don't really fit with a strict time mage theme but could be expanded into a broader sorcerer role:

* Black Fang/Shadow Dragon (Golbez)
* Delta Attack (ExDeath)
* Forsaken (Kefka)
* Heartless Angel (Sephiroth)
* Ice Strike (Edea)
* Requiem (Seymour Guado)


Weapon: I actually think the Sage's weapon is what this job should have had. Four floating crystals seems like a really good choice for a job like this.

I'd love to see something similar to Vincent from FFVII where you could transform into different beasts. Seeing how Reaper can change forms when it merges with the voidsent, I know there could be some kind of way to implement this. Maybe this could be a future Beastmaster job. Instead of taming monsters to fight for it, it becomes the beast itself. Maybe that's more similar to Gau from FFVI?

I'd also love to see a job with a double-sided blade like Zidane from FFXI. Not sure what it would be exactly since Rouge/Ninja is already implemented.

A lot of people have been asking for a Mystic Knight for the longest. It could work as a tank if it's anything how Celes plays in FFVI. Using the runic ability to absorb damage and counter it or protect allies.

Something like Alchemist from FFX/X-2. Doesn't have to use a gun but it could be cool to have a mixing system that uses the Dancers system.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

Unpopular opinion: we have enough jobs. I'd rather them focus on improving job identity than keep releasing more.

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I'm kind of in the same boat. There's a few ideas I'd still like to see personally, but even the ones I like are more like off shoots of existing jobs anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing no completely new jobs and instead get refinements and upgrades to the ones we already have, especially if it ended up with branching jobs. Of course, I know the devs hate the system and will never do it again but I'd still like to see the ACN to SUM/SCH system actually expanded upon.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

I'm kind of in the same boat. There's a few ideas I'd still like to see personally, but even the ones I like are more like off shoots of existing jobs anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing no completely new jobs and instead get refinements and upgrades to the ones we already have, especially if it ended up with branching jobs. Of course, I know the devs hate the system and will never do it again but I'd still like to see the ACN to SUM/SCH system actually expanded upon.

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I would love it if they did that. Improve what we have, scrap new ones

[1] Green mage/Druid - (Melee Healer) Uses a spear primarily to inflict dmg/poison dot, channels nature magic. Casts wards on the ground that heal tick over time, burst dmg skills give instant shields but sacrifice wards, the potency is based on # of wards placed - limit to 3. Limit break would be a burst of falling flower petals and leaves/dandelions that mass revive.

[2]Knight- (Melee DPS) Great sword use, after accumulation of x hits (Think DRG eye or Samurai Kenki/Sen), Knight unlocks very hard hitting skills with a trade off using lock in place mechs when in this phase. Otherwise it's mobile in combat. Limit break would be Navarre style impalement (LadyHawk) and the summoning of fallen knight spirits that march briefly and strike as the Knight retrieves their great sword.

Doing certain content and thinking about Class ideas...

I kind of want a Tank using a Gunshield, based on Rhitahtyn and Varis.

To make it stand out different from the existing tanks, it could easily focus more on the Gun part and be mostly using ranged attacks, most enemies still being melee they would still go up to the tank so it shouldn't functionally be that different in the long run...

For mechanics, maybe it could borrow a few old bits from past expansion's MCH with things like loading Ammo to improve potency of attacks, and maybe the old Bishop Autoturret...

i think there no reason to add more jobs that by the end of the day do the same . tank/heal/close range dps/range dps.
what i think they can do is go the GW2 way, give the cornet jobs new weapon. like give drg a sward and make it tank. this be more interesting that just add new jobs.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

i think there no reason to add more jobs that by the end of the day do the same . tank/heal/close range dps/range dps.
what i think they can do is go the GW2 way, give the cornet jobs new weapon. like give drg a sward and make it tank. this be more interesting that just add new jobs.

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I don't imagine they'll massively revamp the current Job system... though then again they did ditch Class pre-requisites right after ARR, so who knows?

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I don't imagine they'll massively revamp the current Job system... though then again they did ditch Class pre-requisites right after ARR, so who knows?

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they dont need to remake it just add on top
its just they invest less and less in to each new one, most likely the 2 new jobs will not even have a job story .

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

they dont need to remake it just add on top
its just they invest less and less in to each new one, most likely the 2 new jobs will not even have a job story .

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Probably as much as GNB and DNC did, 10 levels' worth

not really as there no job quest for 70-80. there a role quest. will there be one from 80-90?

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

not really as there no job quest for 70-80. there a role quest. will there be one from 80-90?

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They're confirmed as having job quests, and they'll likely run from 70 to 80. Job quests and role quests can exist alongside each other, there is no contradiction there.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

They're confirmed as having job quests, and they'll likely run from 70 to 80. Job quests and role quests can exist alongside each other, there is no contradiction there.

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we see. in 5.0 there was no job quest for 70-80

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

we see. in 5.0 there was no job quest for 70-80

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Doesn't change the fact that they said they will get job quests. And that they cant be ran at the same time.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

i think there no reason to add more jobs that by the end of the day do the same . tank/heal/close range dps/range dps.
what i think they can do is go the GW2 way, give the cornet jobs new weapon. like give drg a sward and make it tank. this be more interesting that just add new jobs.

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At that point you might as well just make a new job since you'd have to give them new skills and stuff anyways.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

we see. in 5.0 there was no job quest for 70-80

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There were, however they were entirely optional and were just a way to get some free materia since it was just a few "Travel to this spot and watch a cutscene" type quests that had you go revisit the NPCs from earlier job quests.

The Level 80 Job Quests are very short, and generally consist of you telling old NPCs from the previous questline about The First and the relevant Role Quest line... Kind of a small epilogue more than anything.

But anyways, I have heard they supposedly will keep the role quests and I do very much hope do it rather than Job Quests for 80-90, since that way they can get away with doing less quests so they can spend more time on each of them.
Even with possibly Ranged and Melee Physical getting split, it's 5 quest lines instead of the 20 they'd need to do for every class...

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What Classes Do You Want to See Next?

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