Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I don’t care what “enligtened” platitudes they cough up as an excuse. This is sexist. This is “bunsplaining”, and we are all the poorer for it.

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I reallllly hope there will be male viera... it's not a good idea to put them behind a gender lock when you have so many people that want to play the males. Stop coming up with BS lore stating "oh uh they only mate like once every like blue moon so lol males dont exist". That is so lazy and gross and pandering to this weird male fantasy of overly sexualized bunny ladies. :/

not how SE do it. they added 0 in 4.x no race or face :)

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Originally Posted by Skos

Why dance around this issue 4 days before pre-orders open? Because Square wants to keep something to reveal for the Tokyo Fanfest? Do they really have this little content that they need to keep the reveal of a race\\'s GENDER for an entirely different fanfest?

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Yep! Sounds like SE to me, I mean we\\'re getting a Nier raid that totally blindsided everyone, they pretty much do whatever they want...

Honestly I feel this is sexist, it took us forever to get male bunny outfits because they said none of the male devs would touch it and they had to get the female devs to do it. I would hope that is not the case with male viera but considering the females are all skimpily clad females .......... well *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Yep! Sounds like SE to me, I mean we\\'re getting a Nier raid that totally blindsided everyone, they pretty much do whatever they want...

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Ah yeah, the Nier raid tier that is totally lore-appropriate for ff14.
But a reveal for a gender of a newly announced race that canonically exists within the world of 14?
Calm down son, now you're asking for too much.

I would be very disappointed if the Viera were indeed female only. I was very much looking forward to running around as a cute bunny boy. :/

My experience with this game has taught me to never assume we're getting more than exactly what is shown. I'm inclined to think Viera is female only and we may be getting a male only race revealed at next fanfest.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm not personally interested in Viera but between this and BLU being limited I'm very disappointed in SE. =/

If they don't give us male Viera, I might seriously quit this game. Not because I must play one (I do want to though) but because I don't want to support a company that would do something as disgusting. And no, I don't want a male only race either. If it's some kind of lion race? How about NO! We have felines already!
I hate that I'm going to sound like some kind of SJW here but I'm so sick of this pandering to straight men, with waifus everywhere. Even bosses are mainly made out of waifus. If they're male they usually look like ass, barely human if at all.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

If they don't give us male Viera, I might seriously quit this game. Not because I must play one (I do want to though) but because I don't want to support a company that would do something as disgusting. And no, I don't want a male only race either. If it's some kind of lion race? How about NO! We have felines already!
I hate that I'm going to sound like some kind of SJW here but I'm so sick of this pandering to straight men, with waifus everywhere. Even bosses are mainly made out of waifus. If they're male they usually look like ass, barely human if at all.

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You must love Titania then

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, however, I can see why they would gender lock the Viera race. This would be because very few male Viera actually exist and they live in seclusion the majority of their lives. It would break immersion and their own lore to have a ton of Male Viera running around.

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You understand male Miqo'te were in exactly the same situation right?

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Originally Posted by Anyan

If they don't give us male Viera, I might seriously quit this game. Not because I must play one (I do want to though) but because I don't want to support a company that would do something as disgusting. And no, I don't want a male only race either. If it's some kind of lion race? How about NO! We have felines already!
I hate that I'm going to sound like some kind of SJW here but I'm so sick of this pandering to straight men, with waifus everywhere. Even bosses are mainly made out of waifus. If they're male they usually look like ass, barely human if at all.

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Perhaps we should wait until 23th March to know if what you suspect is correct highly doubt that they won't add male gender to one race.

I'm hoping to be able to play the male Viera, but I also wouldn't mind a new male only race if they are good looking, even though I don't like the idea of gender locking things.

What confuses me is why would SE not announce both together? I can understand models not being ready in time, and I can understand not having footage of in-the-works projects and stuff. What I don't understand is the lack of final concept art. The timeline is 5 months, so at least a final concept art ready is necessary to even know what you're going to be working on. It doesn't matter if it's a male viera or another race entirely, not showing a concept or even hinting at it puzzles me.
It does not make sense to me because pre-ordering is going to happen very very soon and this weekend is the perfect opportunity to spike sales a bit up. If anything announcing the males first and leaving the females last would create a higher hype than the other way around, considering the majority of people preffer to play a female character.

So they learned nothing from when Roe's and Cat girls were genderlocked? Wow.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, however, I can see why they would gender lock the Viera race. This would be because very few male Viera actually exist and they live in seclusion the majority of their lives. It would break immersion and their own lore to have a ton of Male Viera running around.

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You mean the lore that they are just bringing to the fore right now and was only present during 4.5? The lore that has no past ffxiv content attaching it and would be by definition, the easiest to modify within ffxiv?

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Originally Posted by Saix027

They have the freedom after all i say since FFXIV is its own game in the franchise, i mean if you look at FFXI they als had "Miqote", "Rogadyn" which were gender locked, tooked those and made there own in this game, why not make the same with Viera, its another Universe simply, homages and inspiratiosn to the franchise as a whole are ok but give me something new Square, i would had even prefered Bangana as playable race but asian market and there "cute characters", the Viera as shown now in 14 are also less beastly as there originals, same base model as always sadly with just ears anda tail added again basically, the feet are the only example so far.

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Well, when they made this game (1.0) there were no catbois, femroes, or female Highlanders. That was one of the first things they decided to fix when they blew up 1.0. Gender locking Vieria would be a step back.

I'm not changing, maybe an alt. It's not going to affect me one way or the other. But I can see how others would be upset. And I would see it as a step backwards.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

I'm hoping to be able to play the male Viera, but I also wouldn't mind a new male only race even if they are good looking, even though I don't like the idea of gender locking things.

What confuses me is why would SE not announce both together? I can understand models not being ready in time, and I can understand not having footage of in-the-works projects and stuff. What I don't understand is the lack of final concept art. The timeline is 5 months, so at least a final concept art ready is necessary to even know what you're going to be working on. It doesn't matter if it's a male viera or another race entirely, not showing a concept or even hinting at it puzzles me.
It does not make sense to me because pre-ordering is going to happen very very soon and this weekend is the perfect opportunity to spike sales a bit up. If anything announcing the males first and leaving the females last would create a higher hype than the other way around, considering the majority of people preffer to play a female character.

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We can consider also the possibility that male Viera aren't yet ready to show and require small detail adjustments.
For what was spoken and how it was spoken you can perceive they are full of work, honestly he seemed tired and if he really is tired you can imagine the teams having to adapt all emotes, all gear past and the news to come, cut-scenes and so on we can only be patient and wait.
Highly doubt that males won't be add to Viera.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

We can consider also the possibility that male Viera aren't yet ready to show and require small detail adjustments.
For what was spoken and how it was spoken you can perceive they are full of work, honestly he seemed tired and if he really is tired you can imagine the teams having to adapt all emotes, all gear past and the news to come, cut-scenes and so on we can only be patient and wait.

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me main issue is the tiptoeing around male viera they are not saying anything showing anything we are completely in the dark about a potential gender for the new playable race this is not building any hype it is just building concerns about gender locking. not having models ready to showcase is one thing not even giving its existence a mention is another

It'll be weird if they pull out the 'gender exclusive race' - card after all what happened.

That would cut badly into the community.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

We can consider also the possibility that male Viera aren't yet ready to show and require small detail adjustments.
For what was spoken and how it was spoken you can perceive they are full of work, honestly he seemed tired and if he really is tired you can imagine the teams having to adapt all emotes, all gear past and the news to come, cut-scenes and so on we can only be patient and wait.
Highly doubt that males won't be add to Viera.

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Okay so then why not at least confirm they exist??
Like a simple "Hey, we have male Viera, we're working on them but they're not quite ready to show off yet." would've been enough.
Hell, if male Viera were in the works there'd be concept art for them right! That would've been a great thing to show off at the art panel! Oh wait they didn't.

All signs currently point to male Viera not being a thing.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

We can consider also the possibility that male Viera aren't yet ready to show and require small detail adjustments.
For what was spoken and how it was spoken you can perceive they are full of work, honestly he seemed tired and if he really is tired you can imagine the teams having to adapt all emotes, all gear past and the news to come, cut-scenes and so on we can only be patient and wait.
Highly doubt that males won't be add to Viera.

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Yeah I am trying to be optimistic. It's just a little frustrating because even without the actual confirmation, if you wanted to play a female Viera you pretty much had a huge yes, but if you wanted to play a male you had a huge maybe. Even if what you said is what's happening, and I'm hoping it is, it wouldn't hurt to just say: "We apologize for no footage but rest assured that male Viera is in the works!". There, you have your validation, you don't have to keep wondering all of the "what ifs" and you also don't have to be constantly telling yourself not to get too hyped in case it ends up not being added. But that's obviously just me. I'm a huge Viera fan, but in a situation like this I'd rather get a blunt yes or no to male Viera being added than a huge maybe that lingers for months.

If Viera are gender locked.... I will be besides myself... I've always liked having somewhat of a feminine male character and I was ecstatic for Viera... I'm so tired of gender locks with gear. SE treats Female characters like dolls and gives nothing to the males. And if this is the case for Viera I will legitimately be absolutely furious.

There would be no words to express the betrayal I would feel if this is the case....

so this new gender locked race and blue mage show the new directions the devs take. the easy corner curing way. give half the work for the same price. shame.

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Originally Posted by Skos

Okay so then why not at least confirm they exist??
Like a simple "Hey, we have male Viera, we're working on them but they're not quite ready to show off yet." would've been enough.
Hell, if male Viera were in the works there'd be concept art for them right! That would've been a great thing to show off at the art panel! Oh wait they didn't.

All signs currently point to male Viera not being a thing.

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Lets wait for tomorrow Q&A time that question will be the million dollar question worry not tomorrow you will take your doubt.
Honestly they have so much consideration for the players opinions and many have expressed they want to play Viera male, seriously no joke I doubt that won't be male gender for Viera.

If male Viera are not a thing, I will be pissed. There aren't any words to describe my extreme disappointment if SE decides to make this a gender locked race. Gender locked races and classes are usually a deciding factor when it comes to me electing to not play a game.

As hyped as I am for Viera as a whole... well, it doesn't really seem like "a whole" if you opt to gender lock. :'/

I'm still holding out hope though. I would MUCH rather have male and female Viera than two different "tribes" like the other races. If it comes down to that, please make the right decision, SE.

I'm thinking they are going to pull a wait until the final fanfest to say they aren't going to do make Vieras like they did with the jobs during Stormblood's release. They knew people were going to be disappointed about two dps jobs so they waited until the end to explain.
They see the forums and know what players are looking for. They didn't mention males for a reason. We can only wait to see what that reason is.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Lets wait for tomorrow Q&A time that question will be the million dollar question worry not tomorrow you will take your doubt.
Honestly they have so much consideration for the players opinions and many have expressed they want to play Viera male, seriously no joke I doubt that won't be male gender for Viera.

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I understand this sentiment, and I definitely value this opinion.
But if there's one thing that I've learned about watching Fanfest Keynotes and live letters the past 4 years or so is that Square always manages to disappoint.

I don't know, they just seem so evasive about this whole issue. They didn't mention it one single time. The official art for the Viera has no males, they had no concept art to show during the art panel.
It's looking grim.

I really hope they won't do female only Vieras and male only Ronsos, please Square Enix don't do this

When they teased Viera as a playable race for Shadowbringers I told myself I'd buy the new expansion if the males looked good because I hated how male AuRa turned out. If it's gender locked then well, guess I won't be buying it then.

Personally I don't mind single gender races. I played a Mithra in FFXI and Miqote in FFXIV 1.0. It feel like it adds some uniqueness to the race and lore. For example it can be fun to play as the female only race where you have a group of female warriors. The FF12 lore where Viera is directly taken from says that the males are rare and go into hiding.

It is possible for them to have a male only counterpart later that isn't announced yet as well.

Hey guys, this is the last race we will be adding...... and gender locked. Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

I wish people would stop being so upset that there's a possibility that this might be a one gender race.

People calling out SE and what not saying it's lazy and pandering, only giving people the fan service. Like really? Can you please take a step back and look at what your saying? I'm not saying I'm against having male and female viera in FFXIV but it just seems so arbitrary that people have to keep throwing these kind of things at SE. We could have no new race going into shadowbringers and I'd be perfectly fine with it, in fact if this turns into such a huge mess about the fact that a race in an mmo game is only locked to one gender (be it male or female) than I wish we'd never been given them in the first place.

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"It's just a game, get over it" You're right, my bad, I shouldn't be talking about things that worry me in a game I pay to play on the forums for that game. Lemme delete my posts so we can get back to the important discussions like how to end world hunger. That's applicable for these game forums, right?

And the fact that there wasn't even a male shown in the concept art on the splash screen? That would be how you hype. Show both concepts, then show how the ladies panned out and leave us waiting to see how they translated the males from page to model.

Besides, I still say that if you have so little content that you have to wait to announce the second half of something that should just go hand in hand with the first announcement... hmm. Content drought, indeed.

And the whole "they don't want another feminine male so they can't bear it" is also crap. How the Viera males look would be up to them. You don't want them to be waifish, don't make them waifish. I'd still think that was cowardly, but not as bad as gender-locking them altogether.

Whats next ? Dancer being female only ? Please look forward it.

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Originally Posted by Skos

I understand this sentiment, and I definitely value this opinion.
But if there's one thing that I've learned about watching Fanfest Keynotes and live letters the past 4 years or so is that Square always manages to disappoint.

I don't know, they just seem so evasive about this whole issue. They didn't mention it one single time. The official art for the Viera has no males, they had no concept art to show during the art panel.
It's looking grim.

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It wouldn't be a smart move imo to have Viera restricted to one gender imagine the amount of income they will lose just in fantasias, new weddings bunny male & his beloved plus glamours.

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Originally Posted by Skos

Ah the good ol' "it doesn't affect me why should I worry about it."



Yikes the subtle homophobia.

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Yikes the unsubtle virtue signaling.

Also really? You're attributing homophobia to someone who expressed a preference... and then went on to state "Still i wouldn't lose my shit if they added males aswell and i think they do have something special on hold."

Seems you're the judgemental one here.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

And the fact that there wasn't even a male shown in the concept art on the splash screen? That would be how you hype. Show both concepts, then show how the ladies panned out and leave us waiting to see how they translated the males from page to model.

Besides, I still say that if you have so little content that you have to wait to announce the second half of something that should just go hand in hand with the first announcement... hmm. Content drought, indeed.

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Honestly I don't understand what they are doing, I try to imagine why they do not announce male vieras, but all the conclusions are wrong. Its just... bad.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Seems you're the judgemental one here.

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Well. Yeah.

That's because I am judging that person. Who said I wasn't?

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

I agree that it's a bad move by SE to either not mention the male Viera, or to not have one/have a different male race in general. However, the way people are talking like their lives are over is beyond ridiculous. I get the "I won't buy the expansion if they ___" posts, that's cool, don't buy it. Makes sense. But to say you are instilled with RAGE over it is a bit much.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

But to say you are instilled with RAGE over it is a bit much.

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I agree with this.