Blue Mage might actually be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

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Why lock blue mage then.

Could have been the same without locking blue only to this, looting spell to use in mask carnival in a separate skill pool. Can't believe its impossible to just make them unusable outside of carnival while I can't use logos action outside of eureka.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Why lock blue mage then.

Could have been the same without locking blue only to this, looting spell to use in mask carnival in a separate skill pool. Can't believe its impossible to just make them unusable outside of carnival while I can't use logos action outside of eureka.

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No real reason to lock out blu specifically, they just did. Coulda been dancer, or the gunblade class, wouldn't matter to me. As to why not both though? More effort than they can reasonably put into it would be my guess. Let's really examine what they can do.

1. What we have now. 49 skills and special solo instances where the expectation is you tailor your skill loadout to the fight. Even bringing back old and tired elemental resistance. In theory, they could make some really difficult and fun fights for this depending on how wild they go with the skills. But 49 skills, all of which need to be learned through practical play and potentially blocked off by challenging content is just not workable to the greater game. I.E. Skills x y and z are mandatory power skills and are locked behind instances 1 2 and 3 and if only 10% of blu's finish those instances then blu becomes the biggest pariah. Or they make the masked carnival a sleep walk maybe, but I definitely doubt that. Never mind the constant potential for blu's to just make up nonsense rotations and generally be even more terrible than jobstoneless knobs.

2. Standard job. 25ish skills, all learned by, "Getting hit" in a solo instance. The plain jane option. Totally workable, but the masked carnival stuff would be devoid of any teeth for sure since skills used in the normal content require getting through them. A reasonably safe option and, if I am being completely honest, one that I am baffled they didn't go with.

3. The split. 25ish actions comprise the core of the job and are what you use in 99% of the content. Masked carnival has a pool of the other 24 skills and you have a limited number you can take into masked carnival (probably 3, maybe 5). This is only a little better than the standard job method to be honest. There isn't really much design space to work with if your special skill pool is that limited so the carnival stuff ends up only a little less boring. Plus fitting them into what is already a reasonably complex rotation (since it has to play like a standard job) would be tricky for most players and just more of an annoying gimmick than something fun.

If you would have preferred option 2 or 3, that's fine. I get it. But I prefer option 1.

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Originally Posted by Connor

It’s nice that they’re doing new things with content but locking an entire job it seems a bit unfair, especially for people who really wanted to be a real Blue Mage.

As for this being SE’s answer to better endgame content, what about those of us who don’t particularly care about Blue Mage? Do we just have to suffer through all the same stuff again?

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What about people who dont care about Eureka, or crafting, or raiding?
Not all content is for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

If you would have preferred option 2 or 3, that's fine. I get it. But I prefer option 1.

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I don't think we'll be able to reverse time and allow option 2 to be a reality, but we can technically hope for option 3. Option 3 please!

And I don't think it has to be that limited, perhaps out of the 49 skills, only a handful are truly broken enough to be unusable in other content (level x stuff, Bad Breath, Self Destruct) and the rest are slottable depending on type. Blue Mage might have different options for certain skills, for example Fire Breath is a cone and has dropoff damage, Aqualung is also a cone, weaker but does not have drop off damage, Trine is circular AoE, a Blue Mage must slot one of these for AoE. Then there's maybe...a couple skills (7-8?) given automatically by job quests, these are the essentials like Magic Hammer for MP restoration.
That means they can free up more than 24 skills to potentially be viable for the rest of the game and providing some freedom and player choice without being unbalanced.
Does it look likely they will go this route? No. I guess we'll see in 4.5. It's a thin hope I'm holding out, but I feel it would satisfy a majority of the playerbase than the 50/50 we have now (which I feel is optimistic, it looks like less than half considering polls floating about.)

I feel like if we could stop trying to slice eachother's throats out and get together as a community and present some united front solutions that the majority can sign off on, there may be more of a hope for an amenable solution for everyone. And THAT would be a good thing.

Me, looking forward in playing this job. Hmm, just wondering.. it gonna be a pain doing relic weapon quest for this job('if we have one') since we need a pre-made party instead of duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Valdegarde

I don't think we'll be able to reverse time and allow option 2 to be a reality, but we can technically hope for option 3. Option 3 please!

And I don't think it has to be that limited, perhaps out of the 49 skills, only a handful are truly broken enough to be unusable in other content (level x stuff, Bad Breath, Self Destruct) and the rest are slottable depending on type. Blue Mage might have different options for certain skills, for example Fire Breath is a cone and has dropoff damage, Aqualung is also a cone, weaker but does not have drop off damage, Trine is circular AoE, a Blue Mage must slot one of these for AoE. Then there's maybe...a couple skills (7-8?) given automatically by job quests, these are the essentials like Magic Hammer for MP restoration.
That means they can free up more than 24 skills to potentially be viable for the rest of the game and providing some freedom and player choice without being unbalanced.
Does it look likely they will go this route? No. I guess we'll see in 4.5. It's a thin hope I'm holding out, but I feel it would satisfy a majority of the playerbase than the 50/50 we have now (which I feel is optimistic, it looks like less than half considering polls floating about.)

I feel like if we could stop trying to slice eachother's throats out and get together as a community and present some united front solutions that the majority can sign off on, there may be more of a hope for an amenable solution for everyone. And THAT would be a good thing.

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The problem with this kind of compromise is that BLU is being built as a horizontal progression system.
You dont rush to the end if the road and then start the end game, collecting the skills is the end game, its not going to be easy, that's the whole challege.

You cant pick out a set of skills as their core rotation, because the nature of learning them sporadically and randonly means it cant have any rotation. Every skill has to be viable on its own.
And you can't rely on people acquiring all of the skills befeore being included in content, bevause they wont learn all the skills for a long time, they're not meant to.

It'd be like locking you out from end game content until youve acquired every mount in the game.

This is why the two systems are incompatible.

I guess we'll see how the skills are actually used when Blue Mage is released. But I fail to see how my suggestion prohibits any kind of cohesion in a rotation, albeit a flexible one. There has to be some kind of basic damaging spell at LEAST so that a Blue Mage can even get to say, level 10, right? Some form of AoE damage? They have to restore MP somehow, I imagine. Some aspects of the job naturally have to have some kind of basic elements present to even be usable solo.
In any case, it was a wild suggestion. I'd like to see more people working together instead of shutting eachother down. Like you just did.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

What about people who dont care about Eureka, or crafting, or raiding?
Not all content is for everyone.

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None of that content involves having a new job being locked out of doing things other people want to do with it. Everyone can play the job that they want to play in Eureka or raiding if they so chose to do so. Anyone can pick up crafting if they so chose to do so and do everything under the sun that they are allowed to do with DoH and DoL jobs.

Not everyone can do what they want to do with Blue Mage and are strictly tied down to one pathway; one route to take the job. That's what you're missing. People are complaining that jobs have become too cookie cutter and don't break the mold enough, well guess what? Blue Mage is still a cookie cutter job that doesn't break the mold because it's been condemned to a "special" baking sheet that no other cookies can be baked on with it at this point.

ive been trying to think of Cookie cutter analogies all day for Blue mage and all i can say is its terrible at baking

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

The problem with this kind of compromise is that BLU is being built as a horizontal progression system.
You dont rush to the end if the road and then start the end game, collecting the skills is the end game, its not going to be easy, that's the whole challege.

You cant pick out a set of skills as their core rotation, because the nature of learning them sporadically and randonly means it cant have any rotation. Every skill has to be viable on its own.
And you can't rely on people acquiring all of the skills befeore being included in content, bevause they wont learn all the skills for a long time, they're not meant to.

It'd be like locking you out from end game content until youve acquired every mount in the game.

This is why the two systems are incompatible.

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collecting skills is not going to be as hard as you seem to think it will be. about the 2nd day out there is going to be a list on reddit of where to get the skills, people will go down the list and farm the skills and then it will be over. It is basically going to be atma 3.0

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Originally Posted by Liale

collecting skills is not going to be as hard as you seem to think it will be. about the 2nd day out there is going to be a list on reddit of where to get the skills, people will go down the list and farm the skills and then it will be over. It is basically going to be atma 3.0

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This supposes that the solo instances you have to do to get some of the skills are so easy everyone can do them. This may be the case, but it also may not.

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Originally Posted by Liale

collecting skills is not going to be as hard as you seem to think it will be. about the 2nd day out there is going to be a list on reddit of where to get the skills, people will go down the list and farm the skills and then it will be over. It is basically going to be atma 3.0

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If that's the case then they'll have compleyely failed. The entire purpose of the system is that you cant just go out snd learn all the skills so quickly.
They specifically said that having the skilled learned permanently, unlike the logos system, mean that it would have to take more effort to obtain them.

How long did it take for people to farm all 50 logos actions?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

If that's the case then they'll have compleyely failed. The entire purpose of the system is that you cant just go out snd learn all the skills so quickly.
They specifically said that having the skilled learned permanently, unlike the logos system, mean that it would have to take more effort to obtain them.

How long did it take for people to farm all 50 logos actions?

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3 day ? maybe a bit more. Nowaday, with enough gils it take less than an hour.

Leveling it will take a week at best and skill will be done in less than 3 day after the first BLU 50. RNG isn't much of a challenge if you can burn the boss in mere seconds.

Mask carnival will be done and fully documented after two weeks at best. Its all about weaknesses, once they are discovered and obtained the whole thing will be a breeze to do.

I feel if its executed right it very well might help with the games longevity. I had a talk with a friend and were wondering if maybe there was some kind of shake up over at SE and they had to do something drastic and new to change how the game is played to try and woo players that either have quit or are hanging by a very loose thread in regards to their future in FFXIV. We all seen how SE loves to tote around the "15 million plus service accounts" line, however based on those lodestone mines the games active player roster fluctuates from between 600k to 800k depending on weither the game is in new patch mode or four months after patch mode. I wanna say which is average to above average in terms of MMO populations. However a game with both the Final Fantasy and Square Enix names, and considering how much time and money they sunk into promoting and advertising the game. If the lodestone mines are near right then the active player numbers is really quite...abysmal.

If say at best the game has a active population of 800k, that means it failed to win over 14.2 million people, and those people talk and share any "avoid this game like the plague" thoughts they may have. Weither it was the MSQ roadblock or it's game play, those players are gone. I know this is a FF game and lore and story are a big thing in the game, however a good chunk of MMO players when looking at a new MMO ask "is this game fun to play?" "is its game play worth going through a bazillion story quests and follow it to unlock everything and keep playing when it's done?" For 14.2 million players, that answer was "no, no its not".

At the end of the day FFXIV is an MMO first, and it's a business to make money. It wouldn't shock me if they would be willing to sacrifice loseing say 1000 subscribers that are upset about BLU ending up like this if it means maybe bringing back in say 100k of those that already quit due to the game play by making something that breaks away from its original game play and have them thinking "hey this game isn't so bad now."

Weither it was a good idea or not remains to be seen until the class has launched and has been out for a week or so and we gotten the chance to play it and see for ourselves and word of mouth spreads.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

3 day ? maybe a bit more. Nowaday, with enough gils it take less than an hour.

Leveling it will take a week at best and skill will be done in less than 3 day after the first BLU 50. RNG isn't much of a challenge if you can burn the boss in mere seconds.

Mask carnival will be done and fully documented after two weeks at best. Its all about weaknesses, once they are discovered and obtained the whole thing will be a breeze to do.

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You have essentially no basis for any of this. Which isn't to say you're wrong. You could be right. But all we know about the masked carnival is that they will be solo instances, you are expected to tailor your build to succeed at them, and that elemental resistances will be a thing. None of this precludes any number of other mechanics. Like if the fight with shiva is tuned around shiva ex where the unavoidable damage can be tanked and healed through but you still have to do all the regular mechanics right or die and pass a reasonably tight dps check, it would be an impossible fight for a majority of players.

You could also be right and the solo instances aren't any harder than the usual solo instances. If that's the case then I will think this is just as big a waste of time as all the people wanting to raid with it.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

If that's the case then they'll have compleyely failed. The entire purpose of the system is that you cant just go out snd learn all the skills so quickly.
They specifically said that having the skilled learned permanently, unlike the logos system, mean that it would have to take more effort to obtain them.

How long did it take for people to farm all 50 logos actions?

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All 50 Logos actions were figured out by day 2 or 3 if I recall.

The big thing about collectathons is that no matter how RNG it is, the internet makes sharing information extremely powerful and easy, and a couple few people are going to have good luck; all it takes is one of those lucky people reporting on it. Unless skills are locked behind multi-real life day requirements, people will have solved all 49 BLU skills within a few days. At that point it's simply "go down the list and unlock the ones you're missing" mode.

They might have also simply been saying "a long time" in regards to average player time; A person grinding for BLU skills 10 hours a day is naturally gonna get it done super fast in comparison to someone who can only dedicate 2-3 hours a day. No doubt you'll have a few hardcore people who'll be spending the first few days at 16 hour grinding sessions.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

All 50 Logos actions were figured out by day 2 or 3 if I recall.

The big thing about collectathons is that no matter how RNG it is, the internet makes sharing information extremely powerful and easy, and a couple few people are going to have good luck; all it takes is one of those lucky people reporting on it. Unless skills are locked behind multi-real life day requirements, people will have solved all 49 BLU skills within a few days. At that point it's simply "go down the list and unlock the ones you're missing" mode.

They might have also simply been saying "a long time" in regards to average player time; A person grinding for BLU skills 10 hours a day is naturally gonna get it done super fast in comparison to someone who can only dedicate 2-3 hours a day. No doubt you'll have a few hardcore people who'll be spending the first few days at 16 hour grinding sessions.

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Discovering them via community and unlocking them yourself are very different, that's not what I asked.
Of course the internet is goung to figure them out fairly quickly, its the internet.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Discovering them via community and unlocking them yourself are very different, that's not what I asked.
Of course the internet is goung to figure them out fairly quickly, its the internet.

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The "I'll do it alone without internet" is nowaday a very very niche mindset. A handfull of people will do it "legit" the rest will go trough it like any other content. People expecting you to have already seen the full guide of the extreme fight to enter the training party is common while blind run is quite the rare fish in the sea, it applied to any content the game have and people will breeze this colisseum mini-game like any other content, get their reward and let the blu catch dust in their job-cristal pouch cause there is nothing more to do with it.

Close to nobody look after the magicite in eureka by themselves.

There will be guides on the internet so the content will be easy is some real galaxy brained thinking considering the caliber of play you see in roullettes.

I, for one, am all for adding more SOLO content. I've seen far too many MMO's flailing around because they focus too much on the 'social' or 'group' content and fail to realize that a huge amount of people, if not majority, would rather be able to do things solo. MMO no longer means "group only" in today's MMO era... it simply means a massive amount of people playing the same game. Many players, myself included, prefer MMOs because we like games we can play for YEARS, that are always adding new content, always changing... it has nothing to do with any desire to group with others or even interact with others. A single player games lasts, what, a few weeks at most... then wait for DLC... and after a year or so most single player games discontinue support. I don't game hop, I don't play multiple games at the same time, I focus on one game for hours each day and months or years at a time. I started with DCUO which I played for two years, then ESO which I played for almost three, and I started FFXIV a short while ago. I have no interest in raiding or group content, I am here for the questing and open world content. At least FFXIV has a decent duty finder for when I'm forced to group to continue MSQ, but outside of that, I don't do any other group activities. So hearing that Blue Mage was going to be solo-centric and other jobs might follow, I jumped for joy! Perhaps SE is finally seeing how many players actually want to be able to solo content, that they are listening and making content for players like us.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

There will be guides on the internet so the content will be easy is some real galaxy brained thinking considering the caliber of play you say in roullettes.

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Because pleople are really bad at this game doesn't mean the game isn't easy, it mean they suck really hard at MMO.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

This minigame is conceptually so much more interesting than another job to level and ignore.

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You forgot to add "In my opinion" to the beginning of your statement.

I think at this moment, it will all boil down to three things:

1) What Masked Carnivale rewards, what is the incentive and replayability? Will we be able to farm relevant tomestomes in this content, for example?

2) Will Masked Carnivale be a fun activity in general consensus or a chore, like Eureka?

3) They intend for Limited Jobs to have some sort of limited "endgame" play too. But they will keep that updated with new features every patch?

Overall, the feeling is that this is a huge "test-drive" aspect. And maybe, depending on player response, they might really turn BLU into a support ranged caster unit by 5.0. To answers their worries about "not bringing the right abilities", just lock endgame duties to a certain Blue Magic collection with the main tools for dpsing, and some supportive spells.

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

You forgot to add "In my opinion" to the beginning of your statement.

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Lol, got 'em! Everybody in this thread and the other 7 blu threads I am vainly yelling into the void on are chock full of people posting their bad opinions, myself included. Lmbo you posted this like it was some scathing rebuttal and not just you missing the inherent implication of discourse over an entirely subjective thing.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

1) What Masked Carnivale rewards, what is the incentive and replayability? Will we be able to farm relevant tomestomes in this content, for example?

2) Will Masked Carnivale be a fun activity in general consensus or a chore, like Eureka?

3) They intend for Limited Jobs to have some sort of limited "endgame" play too. But they will keep that updated with new features every patch?

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Well, I have no clue about 2 and 3, but 1 has a likely answer: It's not level cap battle content, so it will not give current tomestones, but it is level 50 battle content, and so will likely reward Tomestone of Poetics.

I am somewhat worried about 3 too. SE's track record for keeping content up to date isn't exactly the best. On top of that, this is not something they can just abandon just fine at the end of an expansion like the Diadem or Eureka. They would have to devote development time to it for the rest of the game's lifetime, and I'm not sure they are willing to do that.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

The "I'll do it alone without internet" is nowaday a very very niche mindset. A handfull of people will do it "legit" the rest will go trough it like any other content. People expecting you to have already seen the full guide of the extreme fight to enter the training party is common while blind run is quite the rare fish in the sea, it applied to any content the game have and people will breeze this colisseum mini-game like any other content, get their reward and let the blu catch dust in their job-cristal pouch cause there is nothing more to do with it.

Close to nobody look after the magicite in eureka by themselves.

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Well I guess im a rare breed then.
Never looked up a raid guide, found eureka magicite by myself, etc

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Originally Posted by Adiart

Well, I have no clue about 2 and 3, but 1 has a likely answer: It's not level cap battle content, so it will not give current tomestones, but it is level 50 battle content, and so will likely reward Tomestone of Poetics.

I am somewhat worried about 3 too. SE's track record for keeping content up to date isn't exactly the best. On top of that, this is not something they can just abandon just fine at the end of an expansion like the Diadem or Eureka. They would have to devote development time to it for the rest of the game's lifetime, and I'm not sure they are willing to do that.

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You're right about level 50 content, but it will be raised to cap through Shadowbringers so it will reach 70 and possibly 80 eventually. By then it should be giving current tombstones, just like Eureka does.

As for updates, if they have any sense then it should be updated simply for being classed as a job.
Crafters and gatherers arent left out of the upgrade each expansion so this shouldn't be either.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

You're right about level 50 content, but it will be raised to cap through Shadowbringers so it will reach 70 and possibly 80 eventually. By then it should be giving current tombstones, just like Eureka does.

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Well, I doubt it is ever going to be allowed to reach a current level cap, because of Level 5 Death being a thing, and Yoshida apparently not wanting to make bosses immune to it.

Also, I think it might not even get to 70 in Shadowbringers. They said they would be raising its level, sure, but they never mentionned by how much. (And they probably would just have said it if they planned to eventually meet every other job's level.)

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

As for updates, if they have any sense then it should be updated simply for being classed as a job.
Crafters and gatherers arent left out of the upgrade each expansion so this shouldn't be either.

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Yeah, but Crafters and gatherers are much more important content, since they directly influence the endgame. And they probably don't need that much work compared to BLU.For BLU, they have to adapt and (somewhat) balance new actions, add new enemies to the Carnivale, make sure none of the new actions have bugs, add weapons, new gear, new job quests, and do that for every patch they raise their level cap. etc...

Also, frankly, I don't have a lot of trust in SE actually supporting side systems. There has been quite a lot of abandonned content so far already.

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I feel if its executed right it very well might help with the games longevity. I had a talk with a friend and were wondering if maybe there was some kind of shake up over at SE and they had to do something drastic and new to change how the game is played to try and woo players that either have quit or are hanging by a very loose thread in regards to their future in FFXIV. We all seen how SE loves to tote around the "15 million plus service accounts" line, however based on those lodestone mines the games active player roster fluctuates from between 600k to 800k depending on weither the game is in new patch mode or four months after patch mode. I wanna say which is average to above average in terms of MMO populations. However a game with both the Final Fantasy and Square Enix names, and considering how much time and money they sunk into promoting and advertising the game. If the lodestone mines are near right then the active player numbers is really quite...abysmal.

If say at best the game has a active population of 800k, that means it failed to win over 14.2 million people, and those people talk and share any "avoid this game like the plague" thoughts they may have. Weither it was the MSQ roadblock or it's game play, those players are gone. I know this is a FF game and lore and story are a big thing in the game, however a good chunk of MMO players when looking at a new MMO ask "is this game fun to play?" "is its game play worth going through a bazillion story quests and follow it to unlock everything and keep playing when it's done?" For 14.2 million players, that answer was "no, no its not".

At the end of the day FFXIV is an MMO first, and it's a business to make money. It wouldn't shock me if they would be willing to sacrifice loseing say 1000 subscribers that are upset about BLU ending up like this if it means maybe bringing back in say 100k of those that already quit due to the game play by making something that breaks away from its original game play and have them thinking "hey this game isn't so bad now."

Weither it was a good idea or not remains to be seen until the class has launched and has been out for a week or so and we gotten the chance to play it and see for ourselves and word of mouth spreads.

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Then you have those 1000 joining the others that have are saying to "avoid this game like the plague". So that 100k players it might bring back will be diminished by not only the 1000 that left but those that they convince not to return or even give the game a chance. They should have announced they would be working on a version of blu for the full game that wouldn't be ready for some time alongside what they announced during this Fan Fest.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Lol, got 'em! Everybody in this thread and the other 7 blu threads I am vainly yelling into the void on are chock full of people posting their bad opinions, myself included. Lmbo you posted this like it was some scathing rebuttal and not just you missing the inherent implication of discourse over an entirely subjective thing.

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Hmm... Not sure what made you think I was posting a "scathing rebuttal" to you. Just another odd opinion from the white knights. However, it is not my opinion that blue mage will be locked out from a majority of content upon its launch. It is also not my opinion that it will be locked from duty finder. And again it is not my opinion that because of these things being a blue mage main will be impossible. I wish they were just opinions, but sadly they are not. SE took a job that many people were hyped for and reduced it into a lazy mini-game.

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

Hmm... Not sure what made you think I was posting a "scathing rebuttal" to you. Just another odd opinion from the white knights. However, it is not my opinion that blue mage will be locked out from a majority of content upon its launch. It is also not my opinion that it will be locked from duty finder. And again it is not my opinion that because of these things being a blue mage main will be impossible. I wish they were just opinions, but sadly they are not. SE took a job that many people were hyped for and reduced it into a lazy mini-game.

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And I am glad of it. The mini game sounds cooler than another job does.

This is a dream come true for those who desire more then gear grind for a whole expansion.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

This is a dream come true for those who desire more then gear grind for a whole expansion.

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Dude I’m just happy I have a reason to be in the actual overworld again that’s not maps or gathering.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

The mini game sounds cooler than another job does.

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Lord of Verminion "sounded" nice as well:
"You can take your minion collection into battle! Make your own minion loadout, all with their own abilities, stats, strengths and weaknesses! You can play either against other players, or engage in special missions against the AI!"

Yeah.

BLU is going to be very, very boring for the most part. You start out with no abilities, so you'll whack boring lvl 1 trash mobs with your cane until Atma blesses you and you get your first ability. Then you'll spam that on the next boring trash mob to get the next ability and so forth - the overworld doesn't have much else but boring trash mobs after all. Eventually, you reach 50. At that point, you unsync a couple of duties with a friend to complete your skill collection and enter the carnivale.

How the carnivale is going to turn out, who knows? But seeing as they go with the whole elemental resistance angle, I imagine that it's going to be just another pattern learning content where you either have the right abilities and steamroll through it, or you don't, fail and get sent back to collect the right ability. At least, unlike Pomanders, it likely won't be up to RNG.

The only people I can see hyped for the experience will be people who enjoyed wasting trash mobs for hours on end in Eureka. Or people who simply haven't been in this game long enough to know how side content tends to turn out.

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

However, it is not my opinion that blue mage will be locked out from a majority of content upon its launch. It is also not my opinion that it will be locked from duty finder. And again it is not my opinion that because of these things being a blue mage main will be impossible.

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You're right, these are facts. However, the moment you take position to say if you like the whole package or not, it becomes opinion. And that opinion is no more valuable than any other.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Then you have those 1000 joining the others that have are saying to "avoid this game like the plague". So that 100k players it might bring back will be diminished by not only the 1000 that left but those that they convince not to return or even give the game a chance. They should have announced they would be working on a version of blu for the full game that wouldn't be ready for some time alongside what they announced during this Fan Fest.

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Maybe, maybe not. We will see what happens. One things for sure though comments of "avoid this game like the plague because overall the game play experience is dull and offers really nothing different due to the games set style" can offer more weight and impact to others on the fence on staying away. While comments like "Avoid this game like the plague because they butchered my favorite job of all time by making it different then the normal" tend to usually get ignored when a lot are happy with it and might make even more curious about trying it out.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

And I am glad of it. The mini game sounds cooler than another job does.

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People said the same things about the Ixion FATE upon SB's release until they realized what it entailed and then whined to have it nerfed into the ground.

"Oh! This sounds cool & fun!"

(24 hours later)

"...He hasn't spawned yet!? Who thought bringing NM timers like in XI into XIV would be fun!?"

or

"...I went to the bathroom and I was gone for five minutes! It's not fair that I missed his spawn!"

or

"This isn't fair! I keep DCing because the dumb instance servers can't keep up with the overload of players camping in The Lochs!"

I would rather BLU be a regular job since it's one of my favorites in the series, but again I'm okay with at least playing it first to see how it is. Either way I'm way more hype for the potential jobs we'll get in shadowbrigner, more than anything else. Febuary can't come quick enough.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

People said the same things about the Ixion FATE upon SB's release until they realized what it entailed and then whined to have it nerfed into the ground.

"Oh! This sounds cool & fun!"

(24 hours later)

"...He hasn't spawned yet!? Who thought bringing NM timers like in XI into XIV would be fun!?"

or

"...I went to the bathroom and I was gone for five minutes! It's not fair that I missed his spawn!"

or

"This isn't fair! I keep DCing because the dumb instance servers can't keep up with the overload of players camping in The Lochs!"

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So, you were able to find a piece of anecdotal side-content that you think is bad, but is also completly unrelated to BLU... and that means what exactly? What are you saying here?

I hope you are not trying to imply that because Ixion is bad, BLU will be, or something akin to that, because it'd be one of the easiest argument ever to completly crush by simply finding one piece of good content to be able to argue the exact opposite. And from someone who has been flaming others over their lack of "debate skills", that'd be quite embarassing. So you might want to clarify what you were trying to say with that argument there.

Ixion is not a "minigame" btw. It's just a FATE.