Now you are just being pedantic. Teaching and advice can be used interchangeably in this situation, pretending otherwise in a thinly veiled attempt to back-peddle the contrary claims you are making isn't going to fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
The best part is, needing to have basic things like "don't fight over aggro with the MT" explained to you qualifies as "teaching" even by your own warped definition.
What is with people?
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09-28-2018, 02:54 AMRymm
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09-28-2018, 02:55 AMDaulBan
I know seeing that sort of thing sucks but god damn reading that is funny as a third party. Someone took the time to write all that out and hit Send. Amazing.
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09-28-2018, 02:58 AMGarnetiferous
Honestly, I think he is right about one thing. This thread pretty much serves no purpose anymore. The guy isn't interested in learning. He will probably keep getting kicked until he either changes his playstyle or quits the game. We'd be better off moving on to people who want and need help.
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09-28-2018, 03:02 AMRanetsu-Akagane
Kicking someone is fine, but why throw in insults? That doesn't really help anyone at all. Slightly off topic, and not to be selfish,but I'd love any tips on paladin and or any tank for that matter. Feel free to add me on discord, if anyone wants to share any tips at all. Zanasen#5964
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09-28-2018, 03:06 AMSendohJinmost tanking tips are fight and role specific. that's why the first thing i asked in this thread is if he was MT or OT but he has no interest in engaging in that kind of conversations so he never bothered to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranetsu-Akagane
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09-28-2018, 03:10 AMGarnetiferousWell, its possible that they thought he was trolling, which might be why they told him to stop playing like shit. They thought he was griefing. Not that it excuses it, personally I would have just kicked him without typing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranetsu-Akagane
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09-28-2018, 03:12 AMRanetsu-AkaganeThanks, I'll read this now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnetiferous
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09-28-2018, 03:24 AMsyris748
Came here from Reddit for the memes. Was not disappointed. OP has ascended to living meme status. Here's a hint was what subreddit brought me here, great community btw. Never change OP never change.
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09-28-2018, 03:30 AMsyris748
[QUOTE=KaldeaSahaline;4784636]I\\'d really like to see a member of the party post some logs of what actually went down. Based on the last time you posted something like this, you left a lot of details out in your OP.
A picture of his parse is on the Sh*tpostXIV subreddit you can review it there. My friends were with OP in the run. They have a copy of the logs I can see if I can't get it for you. WHM friend in that group told me she did more dps than him. So it was a combination of unwilling to listen to advice, foul play in trying to MT as OT, and low dps leading to kick. -
09-28-2018, 03:36 AMElamys
this thread is an adventure
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09-28-2018, 03:44 AMxMysticx
[QUOTE=syris748;4785441]
Okay that's a bit a extreme? this wasn't intended to get this much attention, yeah i definitely am considering changing my name after this, at this point i really don't care anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline
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09-28-2018, 03:57 AMvan_arnHonestly, changing a name won't let you escape from this. You have such a unique... fingerprint... as a tank that even if you were to change your ingame name you'd still be easy to point at in a crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
You're going to need to take some time off and learn your class. Take up the offers others have made to teach you.
Also fire your free company. The fact that they let you get this far, this catastrophically bad, means they've failed you entirely.
And for the love of God learn to take advice when it's offered. Before doing anything else. -
09-28-2018, 04:06 AMViduIts quite sad that THIS is your take away instead of the will to actually improve and better your reputation through bettering yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
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09-28-2018, 04:09 AMVanishingPuppetQuote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
Uh...well... I was going to not add anything, but this tipped me over the edge. You are not an angel. I walk in to content and eat dirt, but I try to think about what I did wrong or I notice it in the fight and make a mental note for next time.
I was thinking you were talking about Savage when I was first going through this, but after double checking you were vote abandoning Normal v3. I came back after not playing for an entire tier and one-shot v3 on Monday evening. I'm not saying it's your fault, but I'm not saying it's not either. I've not seen you play so that's not my place, but there is always something to correct or improve upon. I have probably around 2,000 commendations by now and I still think I need to improve. So for you to turn down help like this is quite telling of your true character.
Should they have said that to you before kicking? No, probably not. Did they offer gameplay or mechanic advice before that? We don't know since you've only shown us your side of the story. Do I think it's probably partially your fault at the least? Yes. I've played super poorly before on a run where I'm just screwing up, but after the wipe I apologize and say that it was my bad. People are generally quite responsive to self-criticism, but very few do it. The people here should be spending less time and effort berating the people that said this to you like you are craving for them to do as you seek validation and spend more time genuinely helping YOU get to a position where this won't happen again. Maybe you should take /u/KaldeaSahaline's offer just for constructive criticism. -
09-28-2018, 04:15 AMYukinoAmidalaQuote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
Wouldn't it be better to take this experience and learn from it? You've been offered help from others, myself included, there's no shame in accepting help to improve. I can say that if you continue with the mind set you currently have you'll probably be kicked from more parties. -
09-28-2018, 05:45 AMxMysticxSure, feel free to message me anytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukinoAmidala
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09-28-2018, 06:16 AMDevonEllwoodhttps://i.gifer.com/a2P.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
This thread has kept me on the edge of my seat at work for over 6 hours. What a happy ending. -
09-28-2018, 06:59 AMAxlStream
Whew lad. This was a ride. An hilarious one that I'll fondly look back on when I wanna share why I quit this game.
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09-28-2018, 07:22 AMOpticalHat
I was the BLM in this group.
OP stole the boss from MT and proceeded to bounce the boss between NE and NW corners until finally settling on NE. OP positioned the boss sideways, so that the Larboard/Starboard Wave Cannon mechanic would hit 90% of the room (instead of 50-60%). Members of our group attempted to communicate with OP in party chat during the encounter, but the attempts were met with silence. OP did acknowledge a waymark that was thrown up at North, but still faced the boss sideways making positioning awkward and some mechanics more difficult to deal with. OP was in Shield Oath for the entire duration, and use the enmity combo over and over and over and over again. After the wipe, additional communication attempts were met with silence. I believe that is what prompted the vote kick and removal from party.
Mechanics can be learned. Play styles can be adjusted. Laughs and good times can be had. I'm pretty sure we'd have no issues with new players or others who run the content blind. But your rogue attitude throughout the entire encounter was counter-productive, disruptive, and justifiable grounds for the vote kick. You're even missing several useful abilities from your class' toolkit and cross-class skills (Royal Authority, Goring Blade, Holy Spirit, Rampart, Convalescence, etc.) as logs can prove.
Perhaps you can try being humble and receptive towards learning more about your class. There's always room for improvement, even though you clearly believe that you've reached the pinnacle of paladin tanking based on your responses in this thread. And while the insult was unnecessary, I believe the sentiment is valid. A good player in a MMO goes beyond doing well in their own job/class/profession/trade and makes the effort to communicate and work together with others as a team. -
09-28-2018, 08:15 AMKaivaCElitists, huh? Alright, guess I can be a bit blunt here.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
People are jumping on your case because you are actually defending bad play. Srsyly, the fact that you actually said the MT should've said something about you stealing aggro makes me think that this is not the first party since your last thread in which people have kicked you. The fact that you even said that shows that you have learned absolutely nothing since your last thread. No, we are not elitists because we are calling you out. But we all share common flippin courtesy, something that you are lacking right now. Any sympathy I might have had for you has been erased because, again, it seems you are learning absolutely nothing through this thread. You've been offered help, and instead of taking the help since it's extremely obvious that you need it at this point, you lash out.
THAT is not improvement. That is hubris. THAT right there is elitism, acting like you don't need help. Yes, I am saying it. You are being elitist. And a self-made victim. Learn your job, and learn some proper MMO courtesy. -
09-28-2018, 08:38 AMxMysticxActually i'm not being a elitist, i've played multiple games prior to this and have experienced what elitistm is, not sure what your trying to gain out of this?, anyway i know i've been offered help but your not the first person to repeat the same over again, anyway have a good day.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaivaC
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09-28-2018, 08:40 AMXiShi
Oh, hon.... no one referred to you as an elitist.
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09-28-2018, 08:41 AMSkivvyTo be fair, Kaiva just did in the post above :pQuote:
Originally Posted by XiShi
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09-28-2018, 08:42 AMKaivaCNor will I be the last. Especially if you keep pulling what you've been pulling. There is no excuse for reaching lvl 70 and not knowing what your aggro combo is, or not pairing Holy Spirit with Requiescat. Either way, I hope that at the very least, this has humbled you and taught you that you need help with your job - and I hope that you are taking those offers and are actually learning from them. Otherwise, you're definitely going to run into another situation like this, over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
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09-28-2018, 08:44 AMXiShi
Nohhhh.... re-read. Noh lemon pledge.
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Oh wow. My bad. that guy did. Ew... still, please don't think of yourself as an elitist. I believe the correct term would be magno perfusus bumble apis stultus vodka. Or ignorant. -
09-28-2018, 09:11 AMMoroMurasakiYou may not be an elitist but I know a ton of players who are both vastly more skilled than you at this game and infinately more receptive to advice. Many have been called elitists on these forums many times before.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
To be so confident in your own abilities with no room for correction or criticism definitely could be elitism, the only thing stopping you is that these traits show up alongside what I can only describe as a severe lack of skill or knowledge.
As people have said - learn about PLD. Read a guide, watch a video. There are a lot of perspectives out there and virtually all of them are more informed than yours at this point. Best to humble up, acknowledge your mistakes and stop repeating them. -
09-28-2018, 09:15 AMAxlStream
Mystic isn't elistist as much as he's a boosted animal.
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09-28-2018, 11:36 AMBerteaux_BraumegainI see you've never experienced the legendary Hero on the Halfshell wipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiyahArp
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09-28-2018, 01:30 PMBerteaux_BraumegainThe best thing to ever happen to me in XIV was a rude player in Shinryu EX telling me that I sucked and that I should be kicked from the party. I started asking for advice on how to improve, got better at the fight, and found out a lot of dumb mistakes I was making with my job.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
Just because you received rude comments doesn't mean there isn't something for you to take away from the experience as well, especially given the aggro war that seemed to happen. -
09-28-2018, 03:18 PMHellSpawnHero
While I'd love nothing more than to believe the several people who miraculously showed up in the thread claiming witness, none of them have provided evidence. My takeaway is this. If tank really did suck, at least he wasn't dumb enough to get caught breaking tos like party guy
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09-28-2018, 04:08 PMNeriSomeone mentioned external source like reddit to see how the TC was doing on the run. It seems someone who was in the same pt as the TC had parsed him. If you understand the parse, you would see how this topic has become a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HellSpawnHero
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09-28-2018, 04:43 PMHellSpawnHeroYou can't submit a report using tos breaking software though, which was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neri
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09-28-2018, 05:23 PMDirwen
Not trying to take the OPs side but kicking him was fine if bad game play. The thing that gets me is the added rude comment to him after the kick. There was no need for that. People insult others behind their backs for a reason. XD
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09-28-2018, 05:57 PMTaranTatsuuchiThey could have reported him based on his actions taken during the instance, which supposedly were disruptive enough to count as harassment in their opinion.Quote:
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09-28-2018, 06:54 PMKuuroYuukiyou cant report ppl because he cant play properly. OP cant play tank properly not because he want to insult the rest of party,he just dont understand how to tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi
there is no reason to ban OP if they report to GM anyway.
what will GM say if ppl who cant play properly in GM jail if that thing is reportable? "Sorry you are banned for 7 days because you are not git gut"?(joke aside) -
09-28-2018, 07:18 PMViduFirst off: You can obviously try to report anyone for anything, if you believe there is a reason to. (and as long as you do it in "good faith", aka actually having reason to believe that there is something going on, I dont think it would cause as abuse of the report function - see something fishy? Report it - if it turns out that it wasnt a poorly programmed bot but someones cat accidently stepping all over the keyboard, it wont be an issue)Quote:
Originally Posted by KuuroYuuki
Second: The problem here is that what the OP was doing can easly be classified as griefing and harrassment - stealing aggro, spinning the boss, not reacting to anything said in partychat, wiping the party as result of all of this... thats all behaviour someone who would be intentionally griefing the party would show aswell and you cant really tell (in the moment) which is which. He wouldnt be reported because he played bad but because he played in a way that was harmful for the party.
And sorry, "he just dont understand to tank" doesnt really fly as an excuse when we're talking about the current raidtier, even if its just NM. He had at the very least 10 previous raids and probably about 20 primal-fights or so to figure out that in a group with 2 tanks, one is the MT and the other one isnt supposed to steal aggro.
I dont think its a far fetched expectation to assume that someone who has reached Alphascape 3 is familiar with that basics of their job - and I mean basics, not worldfirstclearplay. Stuff like your rotation, the difference between tank-stance and off-stance for a tank, moving out of AoEs, knowing how to handle a stack marker
OP even said that himself:
...yet, he doesnt - or at least didnt when he entered that run.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMysticx
I would have believed that a person playing like that was nothing but a troll and deserved a report for griefing, instead of assuming that its just someone who doesnt know better. Someone who doesnt know better simply shouldnt be in that content (and apparently even OP agrees to that), specially not when unwilling to take advice - which circles back to harrassment, in a broad sense of the word: Chosing to stay at a level of play that ruins runs for 3-23 people. -
09-28-2018, 07:25 PMKaivaCThis is the thing that completely baffles me. Ice mages and hardcasting RDMs aside, how is it possible to get to level 70 and not know something as basic as your aggro combo? And we know he didn't jump because the last time he brought up an issue and got caught, he was a level 51 paladin. Like, this is the most basic combo you get as a PLD...heck, you get those as a Gladiator. I'm legitimately lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidu
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09-28-2018, 08:37 PMSkyEdge1
Hold up, hold the chocobo right up! 20 pages....20 bleeding pages over that?!? SERIOUSLY, that was it? Basically someone told you to 'git gud' and it registers 20 pages? Holy Hydalean I thought it was some absolutely horrible swear word laden rant where every single one of your ancestors were insulted in the process. Dear god though man, take it on the cheek and move on!
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09-28-2018, 08:45 PMLumivyoryYou should definetely read all 20 pages, I promise it's worth itQuote:
Originally Posted by SkyEdge1
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09-28-2018, 08:47 PMSkyEdge1...I did...now we gotta throw the whole dang forums awayQuote:
Originally Posted by Lumivyory