Suggestion: For Rising 2019

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

I don't mean to answer a question with another question, but why shouldn't exclusives be forever? They're not really exclusive otherwise...

Much as I'd love the Legacy tattoo on my 2nd character (which was created around 2.2) or to be able to get items from previous Rocket League seasonal events or to be able to get items from the Battlepasses of previous seasons of Fortnite... I can't. There's also a ton of games out there I can no longer get preorder items/skins/bonuses from, because I missed out and didn't do it at the time. This is really no different.

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I concur on this, I've played other games well after they've existed and I've seen limited-release exclusives out there that I really want. However I just accept it, I wasn't there when the game first came out or participated in a big "once-in-a-lifetime" event where they were released. Just because I want it really doesn't really mean I deserve it. I should have picked up the game a lot sooner then. Such is life eh?

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

I don't mean to answer a question with another question, but why shouldn't exclusives be forever? They're not really exclusive otherwise...

Much as I'd love the Legacy tattoo on my 2nd character (which was created around 2.2) or to be able to get items from previous Rocket League seasonal events or to be able to get items from the Battlepasses of previous seasons of Fortnite... I can't. There's also a ton of games out there I can no longer get preorder items/skins/bonuses from, because I missed out and didn't do it at the time. This is really no different.

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Personally, I feel the aspect of non timed exclusives are anti-consumer. While I do not like timed exclusives, I do feel they are a happy middle ground.

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Originally Posted by Mihana

I concur on this, I've played other games well after they've existed and I've seen limited-release exclusives out there that I really want. However I just accept it, I wasn't there when the game first came out or participated in a big "once-in-a-lifetime" event where they were released. Just because I want it really doesn't really mean I deserve it. I should have picked up the game a lot sooner then. Such is life eh?

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To a degree I feel the same, I am not going to go on a crusade for everything to be made available me in virtue of playing the game. It is the way things are, and is something I live with, nevertheless, I will say that I also cannot think of a reason for non timed exclusives to even exist in the first place though. That does not hinge on the fact of I have this item and I do not want others to have it.

On a personal level, I have the spectral tiger mount in WoW, if they made the choice to put said mount on the cash shop I would not be against the idea, I would be all for it. I know this mindset is strange, but the idea of keeping things away from others strikes me odd. I understand it is business, and just the nature of things. Now I am not saying hand everything away to everyone with no effort. At the very least I do think people should be provided with alternative means to obtaining older items. I get that with more options items that are currently rare will no longer be rare, I just do not see the issue with that. Though I am no developer or business owner. So I am sure they have their reasons behind doing what they do.

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Originally Posted by Rogatum

May I ask why you feel it should be forever? Putting promises aside. Mostly just wondering if the reason some feel it should be forever is simply because of the promise.

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I'm not a 1.0 player but when it comes to the chocobo and tattoo, I'd agree those should never be made available again. Those weren't rewards earned through game play. They were rewards for paying to support FFXIV at a time when SE could have written the game off as a loss and shut it down. A lot of 1.0 players didn't show SE that support. They absolutely should remain exclusive to those players that did.

I'm just not a believer in exclusive limited time rewards for doing content or having content removed from a game (short of game breaking bugs that can't be resolved). Continuity is important and a new player should get a chance to experience the same content and get the same rewards as the player who played from the start.

Since the chocobo and tattoo had nothing to do with game play, let them remain exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Rogatum

May I ask why you feel it should be forever? Putting promises aside. Mostly just wondering if the reason some feel it should be forever is simply because of the promise.

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For me it's mostly the promise. When SE says "Hey get this Goobbue mount before patch 1.23a because you'll never be able to get it after that" then that's what I'm going to expect. If they hadn't said that then I probably wouldn't expect it to be exclusive forever.

I can't think of any fancy 1.0 items that were never stated to be exclusive so I can't really give an example like "see, I don't care about that thing being available because they never made me think it wouldn't be". But there is stuff like the chocobo mask that was an achievement reward which were stated as unobtainable, but then they made the racing chocobo mask and I don't remember anyone being mad about that.

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Originally Posted by Mihana

By the way I find the "I couldn't play the game back then!" as an excuse so dumb. Unless you were a child at the time there wasn't much of a reason you couldn't have bought the game and if you had a semi-decent computer. The legacy mark didn't even NEED you to have an active sub or have played for a specific period of time to qualify for. If your account was from pre-ARR any created characters from that period in time will have the legacy mark.

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When the game came out, I was a student in High School with very little Final Fantasy knowledge in the first place. I couldn't even pay for my own wow sub. Didn't even hear of the game either. Can't quite play a game I didn't know about, at all. Literally none of my friends heard of it, not even my friend that's a HUGE Final Fantasy fan.

So no. I couldn't play it back then. Because I didn't even know it existed. Which is funny, because I've constantly seen advertisements for MMO's. Yet, never saw one for 14. In fact, I even saw more for Mabinogi, Nexon's game that has one of it's famous facts of having almost no advertising.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

When the game came out, I was a student in High School with very little Final Fantasy knowledge in the first place. I couldn't even pay for my own wow sub. Didn't even hear of the game either. Can't quite play a game I didn't know about, at all. Literally none of my friends heard of it, not even my friend that's a HUGE Final Fantasy fan.

So no. I couldn't play it back then. Because I didn't even know it existed. Which is funny, because I've constantly seen advertisements for MMO's. Yet, never saw one for 14. In fact, I even saw more for Mabinogi, Nexon's game that has one of it's famous facts of having almost no advertising.

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Guess what, I didn't know about it either. And given it was 7-8 years ago I believe, I was in university and could afford it if I wanted to play it. Well tough bananas. Neither of us deserve it. Not knowing (even with very little to no advertisement or even being a hardcore FF fan not knowing about it) matters not. All that matters is that you did not play it. Nothing else matters, no matter how much you try to spin it otherwise. It's that plain and simple, that black and white. Any further discussion is fruitless because it's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I'm not a 1.0 player but when it comes to the chocobo and tattoo, I'd agree those should never be made available again. Those weren't rewards earned through game play. They were rewards for paying to support FFXIV at a time when SE could have written the game off as a loss and shut it down. A lot of 1.0 players didn't show SE that support. They absolutely should remain exclusive to those players that did.

I'm just not a believer in exclusive limited time rewards for doing content or having content removed from a game (short of game breaking bugs that can't be resolved). Continuity is important and a new player should get a chance to experience the same content and get the same rewards as the player who played from the start.

Since the chocobo and tattoo had nothing to do with game play, let them remain exclusive.

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The chocobo and tattoo are two completely different categories. Everyone seems to be mixing everything up. I did some research, and the results tell a story different than what I have seen here.

The Legacy tattoo is actually not a legacy reward. It signifies that the character was 'saved' from 1.X Calamity. You didn't need that 90 day subscription. It is possible to make an explanation of how a 2.0 or later character could end up with one. It would be silly, lore wise, to assume that character didn't exist. The (2.0+) WoL could have easily been a no namer, as the events unfolded. I'm really on the fence with the whole tattoo thing, even though I don't like exclusives. My reasons for being against opening up access to the tattoo is similar to some of the arguments here.

Legacy status gives name in ARR credits, the chocobo, and the low subscription price.

Just an FYI to all, the Dalamud horn was from completing removed content, similar to the earrings. I'm only saying this, because I was under the assumption from some posters that the horn was legacy status.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Guess what, I didn't know about it either. And given it was 7-8 years ago I believe, I was in university and could afford it if I wanted to play it. Well tough bananas. Neither of us deserve it. Not knowing (even with very little to no advertisement or even being a hardcore FF fan not knowing about it) matters not. All that matters is that you did not play it. Nothing else matters, no matter how much you try to spin it otherwise. It's that plain and simple, that black and white. Any further discussion is fruitless because it's that simple.

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Don't have anything to add to this thread, but am trying to reach out to Paladin. Can you reach out to me on discord? I have some questions.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

When the game came out, I was a student in High School with very little Final Fantasy knowledge in the first place. I couldn't even pay for my own wow sub. Didn't even hear of the game either. Can't quite play a game I didn't know about, at all. Literally none of my friends heard of it, not even my friend that's a HUGE Final Fantasy fan.

So no. I couldn't play it back then. Because I didn't even know it existed. Which is funny, because I've constantly seen advertisements for MMO's. Yet, never saw one for 14. In fact, I even saw more for Mabinogi, Nexon's game that has one of it's famous facts of having almost no advertising.

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No denying that SE really didn't advertise the game that much. There may have been one or two commercials on television and some internet coverage but certainly not a lot. Likely because of the fact the game was getting such negative criticism for the state SE released it in at the time. Still, I'm sorry but it doesn't entitle you to get certain exclusives. There's games out there that have been out for years I haven't heard of either but that doesn't mean I'm entitled to get special limited release items either. The Mark of the Twelve (The real name of the legacy mark.) was applied to characters created pre-ARR meaning even players who HAVE legacy accounts cannot get it again if they didn't have any or deleted their characters from before the game's rerelease.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Just an FYI to all, the Dalamud horn was from completing removed content, similar to the earrings. I'm only saying this, because I was under the assumption from some posters that the horn was legacy status.

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Ooh can we get the horn too then?

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Ooh can we get the horn too then?

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Take it, the dang thing is hideous even with SMN glamour.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Take it, the dang thing is hideous even with SMN glamour.

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Have you SEEN some people's glamour?
It'd fit right in.

I started playing in the mid 3.0 cycle and think that some of the minor things can come out, sure. BUT! Things that were behind raids/challenging content and pre-orders/special editions should never. Be. Re-released. I played WoW for years and I was always annoyed whenever Blizzard would repost pre-order and special edition items for some quick cash. (honeslty feel the same way about the collector's edition of Overwatch)

At best I think recolors/names with "replica" added in are the way to go with these items. Otherwise just let the 1.0 players have their cookies, because we can all share in the current content together. Besides, the earrings are ugly anyhow and only got them for completion-ism and have zero plans to ever use them.

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

I started playing in the mid 3.0 cycle and think that some of the minor things can come out, sure. BUT! Things that were behind raids/challenging content and pre-orders/special editions should never. Be. Re-released. I played WoW for years and I was always annoyed whenever Blizzard would repost pre-order and special edition items for some quick cash. (honeslty feel the same way about the collector's edition of Overwatch)

At best I think recolors/names with "replica" added in are the way to go with these items. Otherwise just let the 1.0 players have their cookies, because we can all share in the current content together. Besides, the earrings are ugly anyhow and only got them for completion-ism and have zero plans to ever use them.

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The tattoo was never from a pre-order or special edition. Well... unless we wanna count 1.0 as a special addition.

So it'd be fine. <3

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Well... unless we wanna count 1.0 as a special addition.

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It was certainly, uh, special. No doubt about that.

If we're doing tattoos, can we get tattoo-on abs?

...Errr, asking for a friend.

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Originally Posted by NameGoesHere

If we're doing tattoos, can we get tattoo-on abs?

...Errr, asking for a friend.

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Lala's have abs?

Maybe, if the devs see this and let us tattoo them on.

On the subject of tattoos I think there could be an alternative that would satisfy all if not most players. Currently the Mark of the Twelve uses a system that lets you toggle it on or off by typing /lmark into the chat window meaning technically all character models have it but the command just does nothing for characters made after ARR I suppose. By using this same system and adding an ability to choose different marks you could essentially let everyone apply a tattoo to a character's body while keeping the Mark of the Twelve exclusive to pre-ARR characters. Just make that mark unobtainable but different ones available and for sale via the Mog Station or as rewards in-game. To keep it simple only one mark/tattoo can be applied at one time meaning if a legacy character wants to display a different mark they can't use it and the Mark of the Twelve at the same time. The system is already there, just disable the command to toggle it and make the marks/tattoos applicable via the Aesthetican instead.

Can I get a kanpai emote / cheers! where we hold drinks up to each other!

for the next rising event. xD

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Can I get a kanpai emote / cheers! where we hold drinks up to each other!

for the next rising event. xD

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I have no issues with this either.