Inventory issues still exist. Why keep adding gear to the game and not room? Glam log

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

No Aarik, you don't understand. You aren't an OMNI crafter, so you have no say in this according to the OP. You have to meet their criteria first before you can have any meaningful opinions on the matter, unless you agree with them, then its ok.

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Yeah.....it's much like talking to a brick wall, only more hard-headed. Oh, and does anyone else love the supreme irony of the OP screaming 'stalker!'....as the OP digs through each and every person's lodestone who disagrees with them? Heck, I bet OP digs through our forum posts as well.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Sorry, but you just aren't listening to what I am saying.

My definition of omnicrafter is simply you have all crafts at 70. The majority of the recipes do not need specialist so simply put Ican craft 95% of the items from every crafter type on one character.

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That is not what an omicrafter is, anyone can get crafting levels to max level, it is easy because of leaves. Just because someone has them at 70 does not mean they use them like I do or go though tons of different materials like I do. I craft an awful lot, and I know I am an outlier because of it. Also the spec synths are the inventory eaters, as said I done favors for people that required 4 trades because they take sooo many items. Having max level and crafting causally is way different to the scale of crafting what I do, and the inventory I need to keep up + glams.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

After reading through 16 pages I can certainly say that this is not the case....

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Stating the truth =/= insults
Me> there is not enough room even with 8 retainers to craft and glam
A select few> you are a hoarder and keep throw away materials < this is the insult
Me> you think that because you do not do much in the game and craft as much as I do < stating the truth, not an insult

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Originally Posted by Aarik

Oook. Wow. I've only read up to page 12 so far, but this is ridiculous. OP's constant and rather annoying habit of lodestone checking EVERYONE who disagrees with them is petty and tedious at best...but hey go ahead and search mine while you're at it.

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What would the point be? you know what you are talking about. Anyways I was talking about more of the lack of on hand inventory and needing to keep exchanging with retainers and such, waste of time. Now that i think about it, that suggestion let us craft from our retainer's inventory sounds more appealing. But yes it is mostly glam gear, I stated that, and when you have a rare dye on the base, you simply do not store it in the armour because it destroys the dye.

Need a glam log and expanded currency tab, that is all, I shouldn't be paying all this money for retainers. Being harassed over that fact is not acceptable (not directed to you, just talking about others) I am not the issue here, I shouldn't have been insulted in the first place because the game does not give enough space.

6 retainers are glam, 1 retainer is currency (since 4.1 this is gonna be some crafting overflow, note some, there isn't enough room to put everything I like to in it) , 1 retainer is crafting mats + my full inventory is crafting mats. I would like 3-4 retainers be for crafting mats to split between types but.. no room for that.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

6 retainers are glam

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

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...You have 6 retainers with items JUST for glamour? That is... very excessive. I'm sorry but do you even use 1 retainers worth of that stuff? Are you changing your armour around every day or something? You're claiming inventory issues in the game when... that is literally on you hoarding every piece of equipment you can basically.

I am an omnicrafter myself, I craft on a daily basis. I have 3 dedicated specialist characters at level 70 except GSM and CUL for now on the third alt. (The main character has full LV70's for DOTH and DOTL) The first one for BSM, ARM and CRP, the second for WVR, LTW and ALC, the third GSM, CUL and an empty specialist slot for now. I can happily say I have a lot of space on my retainers with fully crafted items and base materials with multiple stacks of certain items such as the sands and ores for example, I have 8 retainers on each of these characters and I am big on glamour myself so store a whole ton of sets and get by just fine, including things that don't fit inside the Armoire such as promotional gear or the dungeon dropped gear. I wonder to myself just how many sets of glamour you have, especially given that we can put quite a few of the sets in the Armoire o_o.
I personally feel that 8 retainers is an incredible amount of breathing room and I myself love to hoard things :-P

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Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri

...You have 6 retainers with items JUST for glamour? That is... very excessive. I'm sorry but do you even use 1 retainers worth of that stuff? Are you changing your armour around every day or something? You're claiming inventory issues inthe game when... that is literally on you hoarding every piece of equipment you can basically.

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lol there isnt enough room to horde all the gear, biggest things are the deep weapons ( i like them and used them for glam before) and most of the poetic gear for mix and matching. I have 1 retainer that is my main glam gear, ones I use the most and where I put my rare dye base in, and I have another that has 60-70 gear (you know those glam sets from the 63 DF? Those are in here) that I like and plan to to use on my jobs, Ofc 175 spots is not enough to "horde" all 60-70 gear , most of it is sealed once I replace it though leveling. I only keep some big stepping stone gear sort of speak, like the 65 stuff and the 63 glam gear, rest is turned into seals. So 2 retainers have some space, this one I am talking about and the currency one (due to the currency tab) but I was hoping for more currency to go in it.....


(Keep in mind I am 60-70 with all my jobs so saving some gear for jobs I plan to level next makes sense since I am going to use it) Also I save no 69 gear, there is no point in that since you get 70 so quickly, so all that gets sealed (please dont assume anything) Basically that retainer is 63 and 65 gear, little of anything else, cept some weapons. Once all jobs are 70 that retainer is def getting cleaned out, while keeping the 63 stuff ofc.

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Originally Posted by Ozglacius

I am an omnicrafter myself, I craft on a daily basis. I have 3 dedicated specialist characters at level 70 except GSM and CUL for now on the third alt. (The main character has full LV70's for DOTH and DOTL) The first one for BSM, ARM and CRP, the second for WVR, LTW and ALC, the third GSM, CUL and an empty specialist slot for now. I can happily say I have a lot of space on my retainers with fully crafted items and base materials with multiple stacks of certain items such as the sands and ores for example, I have 8 retainers on each of these characters and I am big on glamour myself so store a whole ton of sets and get by just fine, including things that don't fit inside the Armoire such as promotional gear or the dungeon dropped gear. I wonder to myself just how many sets of glamour you have, especially given that we can put quite a few of the sets in the Armoire o_o.
I personally feel that 8 retainers is an incredible amount of breathing room and I myself love to hoard things :-P

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You have 3 characters times 8 retainers each? ofc you don't have to worry about room... not everyone can tolerate doing that dreaded MSQ 3 times.

So that is the requirement to be functional now? (to dev team of FFXIV) do you see this as an issue yet?

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Originally Posted by Ozglacius

especially given that we can put quite a few of the sets in the Armoire o_o.

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There's quite a few things you can put in the armoire but biggest offenders that STOP me from placing stuff in the armoire are these two facts:

• Augmented gear cannot be placed in the armoire.
• Any dyes are removed from said gear.

If I need to craft or grind for the gear, and it cannot be placed in some form of storage besides retainers, I will be holding onto it, especially when I've dyed it something like Jet Black or Pure White which go upwards of 1m+ Gil on my server.

If they make it so the dyes are no longer on a consumable system and are instead unlocked and can be used indefinitely, it would open up a lot more breathing room for myself as I can then put a lot of gear back into the armoire, but that's just me. I know people who are functional with putting away gear that's dyed with a rare dye with no qualms, I could never do that. xD

I myself also have 8 retainers, of which 6 are glamour, but I don't complain about the inventory as my inventory is usually hovering around 70-90 out of 140 slots free. I only have one retainer with crafting materials, and last one for materia, who used to be housing but now that we have the storeroom, he's got more space now.

That's a fair point Erryk but it would take a lot of golden dyes to fill 8 retainers and that makes my wallet quiver, haha. They are around the same price on my server too, give or take.
I do like the idea if they could make it so that you could store your gear while they had dye applied to them, it could perhaps open up some more breathing space.
We have been given a lot of excellent methods to store, hopefully more for the future but I am highly sure that SE considers this when they impliment new features or materials (Your previously mentioned storeroom comment for example) :-)

And Snow, that is my own personal choice to create a small army of crafters, it's not mandatory since you can switch your crafting specialists if you wanted to on a weekly basis using Scrips. I just personally prefer to keep certain characters to certain specs, especially since I also have desynth very high on a lot of them and it goes hand in hand with the respectable specialists. :-)

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Originally Posted by Ozglacius

That's a fair point Erryk but it would take a lot of golden dyes to fill 8 retainers and that makes my wallet quiver, haha. They are around the same price on my server too, give or take.
I do like the idea if they could make it so that you could store your gear while they had dye applied to them, it could perhaps open upsome more breathing space.
We have been given a lot of excellent methods to store, hopefully more for the future but I am highly sure that SE considers this when they impliment new features or materials (Your previously mentioned storeroom comment for example) :-)

And Snow, that is my own personal choice to create a small army of crafters, it's not mandatory since you can switch your crafting specialists if you wanted to on a weekly basis using Scrips. I just personally prefer to keep certain characters to certain specs, especially since I also have desynth very high on a lot of them and it goes hand in hand with the respectable specialists. :-)

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gold isn't rare, or cost that much, the ones you can't store are ones that use pure white or black, even the new dyes are under pink already.

Outside pink, white, black, I store.

Also for the last thing you said only works after 4.0, before then you where time gated. If you did not have 3 chrs you wouldn't have enough inventory to do that with 8 retainers only.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

gold isn't rare, or cost that much, the ones you can't store are ones that use pure white or black, even the new dyes are under pink already.

Outside pink, white, black, I store.

Also for the last thing you said only works after 4.0, before then you where time gated. If you did not have 3 chrs you wouldn't have enough inventory to do that with 8 retainers only.

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OP, please stop, you are a hoarder, so am I. The principle of improving inventory management is very valid and one that I want addressed very much, however your attitude in this thread is appalling and is detrimental to those of us that want what you are asking for.

Listen to those that disagree, alter your argument if necessary, and counter with valid points. What you are doing is crying foul, and acting like an entitled child and you are handling this thread extremely poorly.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri

...You have 6 retainers with items JUST for glamour? That is... very excessive. I'm sorry but do you even use 1 retainers worth of that stuff? Are you changing your armour around every day or something? You're claiming inventory issues in the game when... that is literally on you hoarding every piece of equipment you can basically.

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I have 3 that are glamour filled. Most of it is the new artifact gear, quest gear(like the Sable Death Mask, Head Bandage, etc.), and the Garo gear...yes, ALL of the Garo gear directly from the PVP vender. The rest of the glamour gear is stuff that took me many runs to get, or cost a fair bit on the MB at the time of purchase(haven't looked at some of it to determine if the price has gone down or not).

So, for me, a lot of it is stuff that was a pain to get and I don't want to have to grind out whatever(be it a currency or a dungeon) to get it again. One retainer is 85% full on dyes AND materia...but I've been selling the materia fairly frequently too. Not to mention the Gazelleskin map that each of them holds too.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

quest gear(like the Sable Death Mask, Head Bandage, etc.), and the Garo gear...yes, ALL of the Garo gear directly from the PVP vender.

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Uh...you can repurchase those items as long as you have gotten the achievement or completed the quest line. (minus the garo accessories, but you can just hold onto one set since they all look the same and are "all classes")

Go check the calamity salvager...because you are wasting a lot of space on things you can simply rebuy with moderate gil if you wish to glam it again.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Uh...you can repurchase those items as long as you have gotten the achievement or completed the quest line. (minus the garo accessories, but you can just hold onto one set since they all look the same and are "all classes")

Go check the calamity salvager...because you are wasting a lot of space on things you can simply rebuy with moderate gil if you wish to glam it again.

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I spend so little time in the cities, I honestly never even looked at the calamity salvager people...definitely will need to so I can see what to clear out.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I spend so little time in the cities, I honestly never even looked at the calamity salvager people...definitely will need to so I can see what to clear out.

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Yeah if you never knew about it there is probably a lot of things you can toss to clear space.

Sable Death Mask for instance only costs 100gil to rebuy if you want it later. 100g definitely worth clearing up a space.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I spend so little time in the cities, I honestly never even looked at the calamity salvager people...definitely will need to so I can see what to clear out.

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Yes as Miste says, every single item gotten from a quest can be bought back from the calamity salvager so if you're not using one of those, scrap it. No reason to keep it. This also goes to all achievement rewards as well. Including GARO. For GARO you will be able to repurchase a set as long as you got the achievement for it.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

gold isn't rare, or cost that much, the ones you can't store are ones that use pure white or black, even the new dyes are under pink already.

Outside pink, white, black, I store.

Also for the last thing you said only works after 4.0, before then you where time gated. If you did not have 3 chrs you wouldn't have enough inventory to do that with 8 retainers only.

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If the last thing I said works for 4.0+ then what seems to be the issue? I feel you can easily do it with one character and could before. Time gating doesn't really alter that. :-P

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Originally Posted by Miste

Go check the calamity salvager...because you are wasting a lot of space on things you can simply rebuy with moderate gil if you wish to glam it again.

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That is such a ridiculous system. It's worse than the armoire....some generic, unadvertised, unintuitive, nonsensical out of the way place you can pay money to repurchase stuff you forgot you owned. That is why they need to overhaul the glam system and get a modern glam log. Sure it would help inventory to get the stuff out of there, but it's a serious quality of life issue when you have to dig through multiple retainers, chests, and random NPCs to find a pair of boots.

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Originally Posted by savageink

That is such a ridiculous system. It's worse than the armoire....some generic, unadvertised, unintuitive, nonsensical out of the way place you can pay money to repurchase stuff you forgot you owned. That is why they need to overhaul the glam system and get a modern glam log. Sure it would help inventory to get the stuff out of there, but it's a serious quality of life issue when you have to dig through multiple retainers, chests, and random NPCs to find a pair of boots.

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At least we have it...instead of nothing?

Everyone would appreciate a glam log, but at least we have the salvager until such a day where it gets added. So I wouldn't complain about The Calamity Salvager to be honest... It's better than nothing.

Edit: clarified my post since some people don't understand what I meant.

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Originally Posted by Miste

At least we have it...instead of nothing?

Everyone would appreciate a glam log, but at least we have the salvager until such a day where it gets added. So I wouldn't complain about it to be honest... It's better than nothing.

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lol! Because it is only marginally better than nothing is why we complain.

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Originally Posted by savageink

That is such a ridiculous system. It's worse than the armoire....some generic, unadvertised, unintuitive, nonsensical out of the way place you can pay money to repurchase stuff you forgot you owned. That is why they need to overhaul the glam system and get a modern glam log. Sure it would help inventory to get the stuff out of there, but it's a serious quality of life issue when you have to dig through multiple retainers, chests, and random NPCs to find a pair of boots.

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lol, I hear ya. Their use of NPCs and menus and storage is horrible. An armoire that can store some special event items and some AF, but not all. Then you have a calamity salvager which can sell you a lot of your event items, some AF, but not all. Then you have random NPCs scattered in a bunch of various cities who each sell very specific tomes/token gear each with about 6 different menus to sort through. Good luck finding the right NPC/menu on your first try. Also, WTB a "back/return" button. Like many things in this game, it's overly complicated and convoluted.

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Originally Posted by Miste

At least we have it...instead of nothing?

Everyone would appreciate a glam log, but at least we have the salvager until such a day where it gets added. So I wouldn't complain about it to be honest... It's better than nothing.

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Yes, I do agree that having an option is a good thing and I do appreciate them for what's it worth. However, this shouldn't stop us from pushing to request for a better solution. Here's hoping it would arrive sooner than later. /pray

Back on topic, OP and the other group should hakuna matata a little. I understand that you're trying to make your point but this is turning into simply throwing insults at one another. Can we just drop everything and agree that having a fully functional major QoL upgrades (like glamour log, tackle box, gardening box, etc) would benefit most, if not all players irregardless if they are experiencing any inventory management issues?

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Originally Posted by savageink

lol! Because it is only marginally better than nothing is why we complain.

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Well maybe for you I guess? It saves me a ton of space since I can just toss those items and rebuy if I need it. I am not talking about a few spaces it saves me a lot ^^

I mean until we have a glam log I am happy it is there.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

However, this shouldn't stop us from pushing to request for a better solution. Here's hoping it would arrive sooner than later.

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But where did I say you can't request something better? I just said it is nice it is there and better than having nothing until glam log happens /shrug

I know I would be out of space for sure if the calamity salvager didn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Well maybe for you I guess? It saves me a ton of space since I can just toss those items and rebuy if I need it. I am not talking about a few spaces it saves me a lot ^^

I mean until we have a glam log I am happy it is there.



But where did I say you can't request something better? I just said it is nice it is there and better than having nothing until glam log happens /shrug

I know I would be out of space for sure if the calamity salvager didn't exist.

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Only the first sentence you quoted was a respond to you, the later half was just a wish on my end. It's more of a general statement of why we are pushing for it and not meant to be directed towards you personally. I do apologies if it came out wrongly. Like Skivvy mentioned, the whole thing is quite messy at the moment, I'd be happy for a "cleaner" solution asap. Not that I'm rushing them, mind you, just saying. (I rather they take some time to get it right the first time instead of releasing a half-bake solution with 99 band-aids on it)

update: my bad, brain isn't working straight. I need my whisky. :x

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

update: my bad, brain isn't working straight. I need my whisky. :x

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Whiskey is not good for straightening brains!

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Whiskey is not good for straightening brains!

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But I don't think straight while sober! T-T

We should at least get a simple glamour log prototype that replaces the Calamity Salvager (quest + achievement sections) and Armoire. Those basically just check if you've done a piece of content or if you own one item from a short and specific list of items. If they add a menu (or NPC) with all that information in one place, one could use it to glamour the appearance straight away or to create a copy of the item to attach a dye it.

The rest of the gear in game could follow at a later date when they figure out a way to add obtained loot to the list and evaluate the memory requirements.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I spend so little time in the cities, I honestly never even looked at the calamity salvager people...definitely will need to so I can see what to clear out.

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Keep in mind you HAVE to save the shield.. or re buy at gold saucer I guess? There is not much that takes the offhand slot in the character armory so I just hold onto it there. The right side of the gerodoesn't get recalled by the NPC.

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Originally Posted by savageink

That is such a ridiculous system. It's worse than the armoire....some generic, unadvertised, unintuitive, nonsensical out of the way place you can pay money to repurchase stuff you forgot you owned. That is why they need to overhaul the glam system and get a modern glam log. Sure it would help inventory to get the stuff out of there, but it's a serious quality of life issue when you have to dig through multiple retainers, chests, and random NPCs to find a pair of boots.

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It is, SE is very sloppy when it comes to systems and menus in general:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rdly-confusing

I mean having the savager like that just wastes time, why can't it go in the armory? I am not sure WHEN I did it, but it was not that long ago where I as well did not know about it. It is not like it is transparent you can basically use that as a storage. There is also a select few things that can't be stored anywhere that is goten by MSQ only but can't remember what they are. It was only like 1 or 2 items though.

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Originally Posted by savageink

lol! Because it is only marginally better than nothing is why we complain.

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Yep =/ plus it does not hold everything, like the i90 sets or the fact you lose rare dyes and need keep the base on w/e rare dye you use. It is also close in having nothing because it can be easily overlooked. Go in inn, store stuff, or your house or w/e and another part of the storage system is some npc that people rarely walk up to.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Well maybe for you I guess? It saves me a ton of space since I can just toss those items and rebuy if I need it. I am not talking about a few spaces it saves me a lot ^^

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Do we accept something working at 50% efficiency because it works? or do we strive to make it 80% while getting to 100% as close as we can?

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Yes, I do agree that having an option is a good thing and I do appreciate them for what's it worth. However, this shouldn't stop us from pushing to request for a better solution. Here's hoping it would arrive sooner than later. /pray

Back on topic, OP and the other group should hakuna matata a little. I understand that you're trying to make your point but this is turning into simply throwing insults at one another. Can we just drop everything and agree that having a fully functional major QoL upgrades (like glamour log, tackle box, gardening box, etc) would benefit most, if not all players irregardless if they are experiencing any inventory management issues?

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yes please

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Do we accept something working at 50% efficiency because it works? or do we strive to make it 80% while getting to 100% as close as we can?

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Don't bother to reply to me if you aren't going to read everything I said on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Miste

I mean until we have a glam log I am happy it is there.

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Originally Posted by Miste

But where did I say you can't request something better? I just said it is nice it is there and better than having nothing until glam log happens /shrug

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Originally Posted by Miste

Don't bother to reply to me if you aren't going to read everything I said on the matter.

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Just because you are fine with it, doesn't me others are. it is barely functional. You are basically saying you are making your self immune to be commented on just because you said "But where did I say you can't request something better" You being ok with it, or stating such does not help the cause of those that want it changed. These forums are for suggesting to SE what to change to the game, and people are going to point out flaws in said system, and flaws what people post about it. The problem you are ignoring with it, and what I did try comment on, is the fact it is "hard to know" what it does and what can be retrieved. So I can say the same thing you said to me, do not bother to reply to me if you are not going to reply to everything I said.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Just because you are fine with it, doesn't me others are. it is barely functional.

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What are you even going on about. She just said that you can toss some things because of an NPC not that we don't need a log because we have it and not that it's better than a log. Some people in this thread are just blind raging at this point after reading one sentence. No where did she say the system as it is now is fine.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

What are you even going on about. She just said that you can toss some things because of an NPC not that we don't need a log because we have it and not that it's better than a log. Some people in this thread are just blind raging at this point after reading one sentence. No where did she say the system as it is now is fine.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

You are basically saying you are making your self immune to be commented on just because you said "But where did I say you can't request something better"

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I want to have a conversation? I want to see the game improved?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Just because you are fine with it, doesn't me others are. it is barely functional. You are basically saying you are making your self immune to be commented on just because you said "But where did I say you can't request something better" You being ok with it, or stating such does not help the cause of those that want it changed.

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Well my boyfriend decided to clear that up nicely but I will say it again...

No you are incorrect. I said not to reply if you are going to be so blinded by disagreement with me to a point of being obstinate. How can you have a conversation if you don't actually read what I said?

All I said was "at least we have the calamity savager instead of nothing" because despite it's flaws it does help us all save space. So to me yes, complain about no glam log I even said I agree with this; I want a glam log too, but you probably don't even know that because you are blinded by your idea that you -THINK- someone is disagreeing with you.

I only said that we shoudn't complain about the salvager because at least we have it. We can and should ask for improvements and more options yes for sure, but don't be ungrateful for what we do have because this could happen....

I mean would you rather have nothing? I'd like to see what would happen if tomorrow SE comes out and tells us all we have to rebuy everything from the calamity salavger if we want to keep those items because they are removing him and you have no other option anymore. Like I said it is better than having nothing until we get more and better options which I also want.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

I want to have a conversation? I want to see the game improved?

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Did you even read what he wrote? He clarified what I meant and you still don't understand?

I mean seriously. I mentioned the salvager to help someone save space which is what this thread is about. I guess I will never mention the calamity salvager ever again because if I do I am somehow automatically against making a better system or against improvements. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Well my boyfriend decided to clear that up nicely but I will say it again...
No you are incorrect. I said not to reply if you are going to be so blinded by disagreement with me to a point of being obstinate. How can you have a conversation if you don't actually read what I said?

All I said was "at least we have the calamity savager instead of nothing" because despite it's flaws it does help us all save space. So to me yes, complain about no glam log I even said I agree with this; I want a glam log too, but you probably don't even know that because you are blinded by your idea that you -THINK- someone is disagreeing with you.

I only said that we shoudn't complain about the salvager because at least we have it. We can and should ask for improvements and more options yes for sure, but don't be ungrateful for what we do have because this could happen....

I mean would you rather have nothing? I'd like to see what would happen if tomorrow SE comes out and tells us all we have to rebuy everything from the calamity salavger if we want to keep those items because they are removing him and you have no other option anymore. Like I said it is better than having nothing until we get more and better options which I also want.



Did you even read what he wrote? He clarified what I meant and you still don't understand?

I mean seriously. I mentioned the salvager to help someone save space which is what this thread is about. I guess I will never mention the calamity salvager ever again because if I do I am somehow automatically against making a better system or against improvements. My bad.

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Why are you twisting around what I say and go off some tangent extreme? There is nothing wrong with telling someone about what the savager was, and a year ago? maybe less? I did not even know. The savger has all kinds of problems and it is CLOSE to having nothing at all as you possibly can get, same with the armour. It is basically "hidden" from view and it is anti-new player. Despite pointing this out AGAIN, you still did not comment on that, and the same REASON you had to explain it to someone here.

It is far fetched to imply I should be grateful for a broken feature because "at least we have something" if you want to talk about blind, that is as well, blindly accepting what is given to you. ...
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I am actually confused with this bit "I only said that we shouldn't complain about the savager because at least we have it" and you said you welcome a glam log... that means you fully accept it is not enough, thus you are not 100% satisfied with it. ... this goes with my point in the last few posts, you are basically defending your self people have no right to talk to you about this because of the catch 22 you created. Makes no sense.

Also the savager has confusing menus, it really is not enough and barely over the line of having nothing, as someone else pointed out as well.

I feel the need to point this out again

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Yes, I do agree that having an option is a good thing and I do appreciate them for what's it worth. However, this shouldn't stop us from pushing to request for a better solution. Here's hoping it would arrive sooner than later. /pray

Back on topic, OP and the other group should hakuna matata a little. I understand that you're trying to make your point but this is turning into simply throwing insults at one another. Can we just drop everything and agree that having a fully functional major QoL upgrades (like glamour log, tackle box, gardening box, etc) would benefit most, if not all players irregardless if they are experiencing any inventory management issues?

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Conversations like this is not helping the discussion on what needs to be addressed and what can be done to improve it. (I do not know what hakuna matata is exactly but I understand what is being requested)

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Why are you twisting around what I say and go off some tangent extreme? There is nothing wrong with telling someone about what the savager was, and a year ago? maybe less? I did not even know. The savger has all kinds of problems and it is CLOSE to having nothing at all as you possibly can get, same with the armour. It is basically "hidden" from view and it is anti-new player. Despite pointing this out AGAIN, you still did not comment on that, and the same REASON you had to explain it to someone here.

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So first of all the salvager is meant to replace items that can't be obtained again. That's one of it's original functions. People just use it to save space since it allows you to toss things.

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It is far fetched to imply I should be grateful for a broken feature because "at least we have something" if you want to talk about blind, that is as well, blindly accepting what is given to you. ...
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I am actually confused with this bit "I only said that we shouldn't complain about the savager because at least we have it" and you said you welcome a glam log... that means you fully accept it is not enough, thus you are not 100% satisfied with it. ... this goes with my point in the last few posts, you are basically defending your self people have no right to talk to you about this because of the catch 22 you created. Makes no sense.

Also the savager has confusing menus, it really is not enough and barely over the line of having nothing, as someone else pointed out as well.

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Are you even reading anything? Where did she say you can't complain about the log. She didn't. She just mentioned that you can use it to free up space and that's it. Not that you can't complain about the log because it is there. Don't know where you're even getting that from.

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So I looked at the calamity salvager last night, and can now go through all my gears that I have, and get rid of a whole lot of them....when I get the chance this weekend. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

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I am actually confused with this bit "I only said that we shouldn't complain about the savager because at least we have it" and you said you welcome a glam log... that means you fully accept it is not enough, thus you are not 100% satisfied with it. ... this goes with my point in the last few posts

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You are definitely confused and that is because you do not understand what I am saying.

How can I be "blindly accepting what is given to me" when I actively said that "we can and should ask for improvements and more options"?

I don't know why I have to repeat this again but -at least- the BASE of the salvager system is there instead of nothing. We can and should ask for improvements to it and even more options like glam log.

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We can and should ask for improvements and more options yes for sure

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You are driving people away who actually agree with your main idea just by not paying close attention or ignoring what is being said and trying to argue simply over misplaced assumptions. I never said I was 100% satisfied? So of course I want improvements. Just because the salvager helps me some doesn't somehow make me against improvements or a glam log and I keep explaining that to you. I am simply grateful for having -something- that helps a bit instead of -nothing- at all while we campaign for more improvements to glamour and inventory.

I seriously do not know how to be more clear of my opinions here.

The reason this conversation started is because you keep throwing the same thing at me like "you must be against improvements because you mentioned the salvager and/or appreciate it" or telling me "just because we have it doesn't mean we can't ask for improvements to it"

I told you multiple times you were wrong about me and misunderstanding what I was saying and that I agree that I want improvements and also that we should ask for improvements, but you still seem to think I am against improvements just because I said at least the salvager exists.

Again I am not somehow against improvements just because I mentioned the salvager so you are arguing with me for literally no reason.

You just keep telling me the same incorrect assumption about my stance no matter how many times I correct you. /shrug

You either aren't reading or aren't understanding what I am saying so might as well just end it here.

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So I looked at the calamity salvager last night, and can now go through all my gears that I have, and get rid of a whole lot of them....when I get the chance this weekend. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

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You're welcome. I am glad it is helping you. I know it has helped me a lot for saving space as well.

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You are definitely confused and that is because you do not understand what I am saying.

How can I be "blindly accepting what is given to me" when I actively said that "we can and should ask for improvements and more options"?

I don't know why I have to repeat this again but -at least- the BASE of the salvager system is there instead of nothing. We can and should ask for improvements to it and even more options like glam log.



You are driving people away who actually agree with your main idea just by not paying close attention or ignoring what is being said and trying to argue simply over misplaced assumptions. I never said I was 100% satisfied? So of course I want improvements. Just because the salvager helps me some doesn't somehow make me against improvements or a glam log and I keep explaining that to you. I am simply grateful for having -something- that helps a bit instead of -nothing- at all while we campaign for more improvements to glamour and inventory.

I seriously do not know how to be more clear of my opinions here.

The reason this conversation started is because you keep throwing the same thing at me like "you must be against improvements because you mentioned the salvager and/or appreciate it" or telling me "just because we have it doesn't mean we can't ask for improvements to it"

I told you multiple times you were wrong about me and misunderstanding what I was saying and that I agree that I want improvements and also that we should ask for improvements, but you still seem to think I am against improvements just because I said at least the salvager exists.

Again I am not somehow against improvements just because I mentioned the salvager so you are arguing with me for literally no reason.

You just keep telling me the same incorrect assumption about my stance no matter how many times I correct you. /shrug

You either aren't reading or aren't understanding what I am saying so might as well just end it here.





You're welcome. I am glad it is helping you. I know it has helped me a lot for saving space as well.

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Don't bother to reply to me if you aren't going to read everything I said on the matter.

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but don't be ungrateful for what we do have because this could happen....

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Ill just use your words since you are refusing to understand mine. I am driving people away because people twist my words and misrepresent what I say? As soon as inventory issues are fixed I am NEVER posting on the forums again, the toxicity is mind boggling.

I have one simple question: Who are you to demand the game changes to suit your playstyle, when you do not put in any effort to change your playstyle to work with the game as it currently is?

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I have one simple question: Who are you to demand the game changes to suit your playstyle, when you do not put in any effort to change your playstyle to work with the game as it currently is?

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lol i did, I tried with alts and such, because the game makes it alt unfreindly (MSQ blocking) requring GC chest to trade your alts, that load slow as hell, and the fact you can't alt rare/ex items, yeah its the game's issue giving soo many roadblocks. How can you say I did not, when I have.. for 4 years? or so. inventory space has been an issue since HW because they gave us so many new materials, gear, items, and 4 jobs, remember we did not get anything extra with ninja being released. SB's inventory expansion is something we should of got in HW, and we should have more now.

Who are those people to demand harder content then savage and other things we got? even though that fits .1% of the player-base. Also a lot of people do want a glam log sooo...

How do you assume I did nothing to "adjust"? game has too much items and not enough room for them, that simple.