By pity Square Enix, redesign Garuda-Egi

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Originally Posted by Mithrahn

To be fair, it HAS (almost) been 20 years since FFVII release.
By the time the remake is released, it should be longer than 20 years already.
Thanks.

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I hope you realize they talk about the FFVII remake in ten years about 3 years ago, not when the original one was released.

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Good, after you're done, do it with a 3D-modelling program, with all the proper movable joints. "

I won't do that cause I am not paid each month like Square, thanks.

You know what ? I am pretty sad that minions are far more detailled than the egis.
I just obtained the Midgadsorm minion, and it flies, it's posing on my shoulder, it moves its head, it feels alive ! Next to it, my Garuda egi looks pitiful, dead, soulless and ugly.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

You know what ? I am pretty sad that minions are far more detailled than the egis.
I just obtained the Midgadsorm minion, and it flies, it's posing on my shoulder, it moves its head, it feels alive ! Next to it, my Garuda egi looks pitiful, dead, soulless and ugly.

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Well of course it looks and feels alive because its a living thing/dragon just taken a smaller form if you listened to the story so it makes sense it would do those things. Garuda-egi is just essence of a primal a pet its there to help deal damage that's it really what do you expect from it.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Well of course it looks and feels alive because its a living thing/dragon just taken a smaller form if you listened to the story so it makes sense it would do those things. Garuda-egi is just essence of a primal a pet its there to help deal damage that's it really what do you expect from it.

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And Carbuncle is a mathematic device/formula, yet it moves its head and feels alive.

Low standards for egis will never be acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

You know what ? I am pretty sad that minions are far more detailled than the egis.
I just obtained the Midgadsorm minion, and it flies, it's posing on my shoulder, it moves its head, it feels alive ! Next to it, my Garuda egi looks pitiful, dead, soulless and ugly.

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Kinda hoping we can just glamour Minions onto the Egi's. I'd take that over that sissy Carbuncle fantasy they went on about.

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Originally Posted by Aarik

First off, it must be said; this thread again, really? Priorities seem to be a little skewed, considering how relatively trivial this is.
Priorities.

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Please. Threads pop up asking for worse things (glamours put into the mogstation for one). I'd give up egi glamour if it meant we would get more content, but it wont. so I don't see any reason to not keep asking for it. c:

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Kinda hoping we can just glamour Minions onto the Egi's. I'd take that over that sissy Carbuncle fantasy they went on about.

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I don't know if minions could be egis...
I glamour is possible, I will say farewell to vomit-"Garuda", and take Shiva Egis ASAP

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Originally Posted by Lithe

Please. Threads pop up asking for worse things (glamours put into the mogstation for one). I'd give up egi glamour if it meant we would get more content, but it wont. so I don't see any reason to not keep asking for it. c:

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Plus I am quite new to this forum, so I didn't know this thread was redundant. It just shows that a lot of people hate how the egis look. Until they change them, this thread will pop out for ever.

I don't get all these whiny summoner posts about Egi's I think they look good.

Maybe i'm crazy.

I get wanting glamour, but I would be sad if the egi were changed.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I don't get all these whiny summoner posts about Egi's I think they look good.

Maybe i'm crazy.

I get wanting glamour, but I would be sad if the egi were changed.

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I like them too.

Its all personal preference. I dont go around to people with chars I think are ugly and tell them to go fantasia them and make them less ugly.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I don't get all these whiny summoner posts about Egi's I think they look good.

Maybe i'm crazy.

I get wanting glamour, but I would be sad if the egi were changed.

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Yes, it's just like I think George Clooney looks hideous while the medias think he is a "sex symbol". Every tastes are natural :)

I think they look pretty gimp.

Look at Aion..lol

http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joy...aster1crop.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...rit_screen.jpg

https://na.aiononline.com/media/uplo...it1024x768.jpg

Wooow imagine if we got Leviathan....such a shame.

So much better..as if we'd ever have anything like that, I don't even notice the pets in XIV :s

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Originally Posted by Iromi

So much better..as if we'd ever have anything like that, I don't even notice the pets in XIV :s

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If we had huge summons like that with no change to gameplay, many people would just exclude summoners.

I want to be able to see and dodge mechanics, not have to work around a 30 foot tall angel thing.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joy...aster1crop.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...rit_screen.jpg

https://na.aiononline.com/media/uplo...it1024x768.jpg

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Geez... those look really ugly. @w@ I prefer our own egis thanks.

Giant summons just get in the way. All these games people reference hardly have telegraphed fights.

What about giant summons as an option for solo game, but short summons during dungeons ?

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Geez... those look really ugly. @w@ I prefer our own egis thanks.

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I don't find them "ugly", and they have a lot of details, which is a good thing in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

What about giant summons as an option for solo game, but short summons during dungeons ?

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Why would SE waste time making extra egi skins specifically for when you're solo though?

Makes no sense from a developmental efficiency standpoint.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

I don't find them "ugly", and they have a lot of details, which is a good thing in my opinion

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Detail for the sake of detail isn't a good thing. I think those are kinda ugly too, not to mention too damn big.

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Originally Posted by Aarik

Priorities.

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Priorities like flying Adamantoises and Hoarhounds, right?

I'll admit though, asking the devs to "re-do" one or two of the egis is a little bit much when I think far more people are likely waiting for Ramuh, Leviathan and Shiva- which is already low on the dev's "priorities" list, more so demanding current ones to change. But I also really wish people would stop with this "how dare you SMNs keep pestering the forums with your new egi glamour requests" mentalities; SMNs had been told they'd get new egis in the expansion which was retracted some time later when the devs inevitably realized they'd have to balance each and every one of them. In an attempt to placate us they mentioned glamour skins on egis instead which, when pressed on the issue, it (last we've heard) is apparently going to take a lot of work to model n' stuff. It's only normal for the SMNs to be asking for an update or timeframe on when we'll be seeing these glamours (because having just 3 summons was the norm across many games which included Summoners, right?)

I realize the thread is asking about redesigns of what we have, but if given the choice between remaining 3 primal glamours or a completely new Garuda (and apparently Titan), I'll go with diversity over still having the 3 traffic stoplight flavors.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Why would SE waste time making extra egi skins specifically for when you're solo though?

Makes no sense from a developmental efficiency standpoint.

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They do with huge mounts.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

They do with huge mounts.

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Those don't change size, and are for all classes, not just situational with SMN.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

They do with huge mounts.

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To take a page out of your book:

http://www.head-fi.org/content/type/...t/700/flags/LL

Mounts don't change size based on whether you're solo vs in a party. Some of them scale with your race and some of them don't, but every single mount in the game is the same size no matter what your status is as far as being in a party or not being in a party. So tell me again why would they waste time and resources on skins for egis that are only usable when you're solo?

Look at the difference between the textures of one of the THREE egis, and one of the BILLIONS of minions :

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...6-00-12-36.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...6-00-13-23.jpg

That's not acceptable, Garuda Egi needs a better render.

Edit : my minion looks really dark, but in game it's the day and the night between the two of them in term of textures quality. Laughable.
Inb4 people who will still defend the poor quality of the egis.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Mounts don't change size based on whether you're solo vs in a party. Some of them scale with your race and some of them don't, but every single mount in the game is the same size no matter what your status is as far as being in a party or not being in a party. So tell me again why would they waste time and resources on skins for egis that are only usable when you're solo?

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It was just a suggestion, stop being so defensive.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Please Square, PLEASE, redesign Garuda Egi so it looks like Garuda !

Something like this

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...6-14-30-33.jpg

We don't care about the height, just make it looks like the real primals

Summoners, raise your voice !

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i saw that pic and i really thought they redesigned the summon,i got happy for a bit
yes i totally approve and support, we summoners like the summon to look exact, its important for us
people say they don't like about how it looks, well -_- i picked smn class so i can summon all the iconic summon i used to have while playing old game
wish they add more!!

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Originally Posted by Agonyess

i saw that pic and i really thought they redesigned the summon,i got happy for a bit

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I am so sorry xD

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

I hope you realize they talk about the FFVII remake in ten years about 3 years ago, not when the original one was released.

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Good, after you're done, do it with a 3D-modelling program, with all the proper movable joints. "

I won't do that cause I am not paid each month like Square, thanks.

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Let's ignore the 3D-modelling then, if you can't do it.

I'm still waiting for that photoshop you said you can easily whip up.


Also, about them talking about the remake, could you give me the original source? I'd like to double-check it myself, since the "Remake in ten years", was more or less something I quoted from you. I'd like more verification. And no, I'm not gonna google, because I'm a lazy scum.

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Originally Posted by Mithrahn

Let's ignore the 3D-modelling then, if you can't do it.

I'm still waiting for that photoshop you said you can easily whip up.

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First page.

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Also, about them talking about the remake, could you give me the original source? I'd like to double-check it myself, since the "Remake in ten years", was more or less something I quoted from you. I'd like more verification. And no, I'm not gonna google, because I'm a lazy scum."

I don't remember where I saw that, but if you want I have an interview of Wada from 2012, he says that Square won't do a remake of FFVII, except if a FF game will surpass it (which of course will never happen), and that if they did a remake now, Square will die. The interview is in French.

"Except if a FF game will surpass it", I don't see a "Ten Years later" there. To them FFXIII or FFXIV probably already surpassed it.
Keyword: To Them.

As for "First Page"?

When I say I'm still waiting for your photoshop, I'm pretty much referring to Ashkendor's desire to see your designs. Not something you likely copy and pasted :

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Go back to the subject : I zoomed on my Garuda egi, and omg the texture is atrocious.

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I'd like to see your ideas for the design. Aside from chopping up official Garuda artwork with MS Paint, I mean.

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Easy, something with the real Garuda's head, no mono-boob, and more than one colour.
And don't make fun of my photoshop abilities, I am really good at it. I was just lazy here.

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Well, if it's "easy" and you're "really good at it" then let's see what you've got!

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Might want to, you know, black out the names in the chat logs on your pics that aren't yours. SE doesn't like people posting other screen names like that. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Look at the difference between the textures of one of the THREE egis, and one of the BILLIONS of minions :

That's not acceptable, Garuda Egi needs a better render.

Edit : my minion looks really dark, but in game it's the day and the night between the two of them in term of textures quality. Laughable.
Inb4 people who will still defend the poor quality of the egis.

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You are using a very unflattering picture in an attempt to "win" the argument, and do not even consider a few things about the two: There is at the minimum a 2 year gap between when Garuda-Egi was created and Midgarsormr was. The Egis are actually a bit more complex models even with their lower res textures due to the fact that their glow will cycle between dim and bright.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...016_213741.png

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...016_213958.png

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...016_214026.png

All three Egi's have fairly decent models the only real problem I see is the low res texture (which I suspect is part of what allows the shifting glow of her and the others to work) on the flat surfaces of Garuda-Egi.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

But I also really wish people would stop with this "how dare you SMNs keep pestering the forums with your new egi glamour requests" mentalities

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TY! We only want what was promised to us a while ago. c: I'm still hoping Ramuh egi will just be a floating beard.

I, personally, never understood why people hated the egis so much. They look perfectly fine to me. Never really thought egi glamours were necessary either.

To each their own I guess, but I still find it a waste of time/resources to be making glamours for just one class/job.

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

I, personally, never understood why people hated the egis so much. They look perfectly fine to me. Never really thought egi glamours were necessary either.

To each their own I guess, but I still find it a waste of time/resources to be making glamours for just one class/job.

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Because people feel lied to that the previous FF summons are WAY COOLER AND BIGGER and the summons here aren't, those summons being the Egis. People are also ignoring the fact the Primals exist and they're the true form of the eidolons in the game.

I like the look of the current Egi's ..

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

egi detail

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Most of the stuff in the game has bad detail even armor when you zoom in. Also how often would someone actually zoom into their egi? There is no point to it. Most of the time your camera is zoomed out and detail looks fine from a far. I'm not saying the detail is amazing or anything just that zoomed in detail which you will rarely see during combat doesn't really matter.

So far most of your arguments hardly hold any weight to why they should waste resource to make something look better when they could spend that time elsewhere like actual content. Also seems quite a few people so far have said they like the current egi.

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Originally Posted by Remus

So far most of your arguments hardly hold any weight to why they should waste resource to make something look better when they could spend that time elsewhere like actual content. Also seems quite a few people so far have said they like the current egi.

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Actual content? You mean like LoV and Diadem that no one uses? At least a huge majority would like the Egi upgrade. c:

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Originally Posted by Lithe

Actual content? You mean like LoV and Diadem that no one uses? At least a huge majority would like the Egi upgrade. c:

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Every time I go into Diadem there's several parties of people farming. Yet no one uses it? :confused:

And a huge majority of who, SMN players in general or just the ones that cry on the forums?

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Originally Posted by Lithe

Actual content? You mean like LoV and Diadem that no one uses? At least a huge majority would like the Egi upgrade. c:

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There are people in Diadem actually have you done relic? A item is required from there. Some people are farming spoils for tier v materia for 3.2. It may not be many but there are people doing it and they are gradually making adjustments to Diadem.