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Undecided, (impossible to determine), It depends on how much the game improves. As it stands, right now, I think FFXIV does not do enough to justify a subscription.

If the new graphical engine, the content revamp, and everything else works out as advertised, I probably would be happy to subscribe. If it works out like a de'ja'vu of the launch last year, then I will obviously not subscribe.

It's always hard to tell whether or not a subscription is worth it before you know what the product really offers, and in this case, we don't really know.

I'm not paying for it now. Besides the fact that I can't afford a sub atm, there are other MMO's out there that I would rather use my $15 a month on.

I'll come back when they implement new classes/jobs (archanist and RDM are what I'm looking forward to) or 2.0, whichever comes first. Because right now the game for me is a big ball of "meh" and I'm really only still around because it's free...

With alot of other games coming out that ALOT of people are looking forward too, I would think SE would keep it free until 2.0.. This game still needs huge amounts of work done to it to even be remotely worth subbing too.

If the 1.20 and 1.21 patch have all of the stuff they claim it will, then wait to charge until 1.21. They're doing the same with as before, rushing. They cant keep people and charge in nov/dec is the dumbest move they can do.

Now I understand they're pretty much out of money when it comes to this game but that's they're own fault for having no imagination when it comes to an online game. Get new talent.

Anyone willing to pay now instead of waiting until 1.21 is extremely simple minded and therefore are easily entertained by half assed games.. I think SE should turn this into a 3-bit game for them. You'd be better off taking that 10$ and get something more useful like making your G/f or wife somewhat happy so you can get BOOBIES later that night.. A blade of grass deserves 10$ compared to this dull, extremely generic game..

Wait until 1.21 then it looks like it'll be worth the 10 to 15 bucks a month.. Until then, boobies win my $10 for now.

I'll hold off until I see information on the pricing and payment system.

$15/month would be too much to pay for the game in its current state, but $8, or even $10 a month, I'd pay (if I didn't have to go through ClickAndBuy).

for 2.0 to spark my interest there needs to be at least 2 jobs per class.

At the very least they need to wait until the much lauded job system is implemented. As has been pointed out 1.20 is a very odd choice to say the least. They're risking a lot of the good faith they've worked so hard to earn, and that's the biggest shame.

I am going to pay no matter how much they are going to charge, but I am just wondering if they could not charge like 50% of the normal fee until 2.0. They will generate some income and people would stop rage quitting, it is a win win situation.

I will be there even if I have to pay 100% since I am enjoying the game and I am not going to miss the transition period to 2.0.

Yes!!! I want to experience the transformation I dont want to miss what will never be replayable ever!!!!! That alone is worth paying for its soooo time for this not to be free.

I recently returned. There appears to be enough content for a casual player and they seem to be heading in the right direction. Hell, a night at the movies costs way more than a monthly sub, I can easily see more than that amount of time a month in enjoyable gameplay. Alot of ranters seem to view that if you spend your life in game, it sucks if there isn't fresh content for them every hour of every day. Eve Online is the only game with that much end game content, anything else will cover for a reasonable amount of time.

My biggest concern is if my server ends up with a really low population...

EPIC SE just EPIC

I'm sticking around when it goes p2p, but for gods sake they HAVE to get rid of click and buy...i'd rather them just do a regular credit card monthly payment system. It's not like it'd be hard.

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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher

I'm sticking around when it goes p2p, but for gods sake they HAVE to get rid of click and buy...i'd rather them just do a regular credit card monthly payment system. It's not like it'd be hard.

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Really makes me wonder why they got rid of that direct payment method... was fine all these years paying for FFXI

From what I saw in the outline for the future of this game, I am more than willing to pay.

Well, guess it was okay while it lasted but will not pay for this game due to more explosive, enjoyable MMO's coming out, it's a little weird that FF14 will start charging right before Star Wars Old Republic to be released, adios FF14!!

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

Well, guess it was okay while it lasted but will not pay for this game due to more explosive, enjoyable MMO's coming out, it's a little weird that FF14 will start charging right before Star Wars Old Republic to be released, adios FF14!!

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So true. Quite a lot of FF14 players will go to SWTOR. I guess these talks will be pretty common in SWTOR:
-"Let me guess, you're from FF14, right?"
-"Yeah, how did you know?"
-"Well, the last 1000 guys came from there too".

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

Well, guess it was okay while it lasted but will not pay for this game due to more explosive, enjoyable MMO's coming out, it's a little weird that FF14 will start charging right before Star Wars Old Republic to be released, adios FF14!!

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I'm waiting for TSW!
Looking good.

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

I'm waiting for TSW!
Looking good.

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Oh thats another good one

300 already voted yet? I smell bs going and toilet paper is much needed...

I'm sorry to say this but people are becoming mindless zombies just to support SE without looking at the facts and where this game stands. It's good, but not good enough yet. Second, if a charge monthly bill is yet to come, a reduce price would make more sense.

This:

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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher

I'm sticking around when it goes p2p, but for gods sake they HAVE to get rid of click and buy...i'd rather them just do a regular credit card monthly payment system. It's not like it'd be hard.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Really makes me wonder why they got rid of that direct payment method... was fine all these years paying for FFXI

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one of the docs on the announcement stated a direct pay method would be implemented in the fall, though whether that is fall 2011 or 2012 I have no idea.

The idea is not whether we should pay but rather the amount. The cost for R&D is something a company makes up for by producing a game that people are willing to pay premium price for. SE finds themselves in quite a paradox. The problem began when they defected many thousands still hanging in FF11, to play this game. Like myself i can't return to 11 now, I've moved on. Hence, SE gambled and lost. Since I won't return to 11, they caused their own financial demise in this instance.

The price now is the negotiating point; YP said the games at 50%, thus in beta. The cost for development will always cost funds, but to simply start charging full price for as someone put "spamming Ifrit" doesn't equate to content is spot on. Money that SE was living high on the hog from 11 caused a division in premium content versus beta development for 14 when people defected to play 14; thus disrupting their revenue stream after a dismal launch of an unfinished product.

I like where the game is going but I didn't expect the company to show a 2 year plan and then say you'll need to pay full price until that happens, it's ironic at best.

I am not opposed to paying a fee, but to make players pay for something that is still being developed is folly. I am sorry if SE had to put every resource into making FF14 playable, but whose fault is that?

Compromise better be in the cards, because not everyone is willing to pay full price for a 100 leves and Ifrit to tide us over until next year. come on SE..... I'm still undecided.

PS. Yoshi your doing a good job, this isn't your fault. It's the greed of the machine that forces you to look like the bad guy.

BTW:
Japanese video game publisher Square Enix has announced that it has brought in revenue of 34.5 billion Yen during the first fiscal quarter of this year, which ended on June 30, a figures that is about one quarter smaller than the one posted for the same period of 2010. (reason: because you defected many of us to play 14 free because you f*** up the launch and many of us wont go back 11.)

The company also reported a profit of 690 million Yen, which is the equivalent of 8.8 million dollars, a considerable drop of 62 percent when compared to the similar quarter of last year.

See? $9M profit in one quarter= your not going out of business, you just get 50 Jetskis not 500. 62% drop was their own fault, but this is a 1 quarter profit. Can I say don't be the next Netflix...again?? Tread Lightly greedy peoples...tread lightly......

While the changes thus far are an improvement, I still find myself logging on and instantly being bored. So, no, I will not be paying. And while this thread doesn't show it, I believe that the majority of those who are still "playing" will not pay a sub at this point. The subs should have started back up after 2.0. But that would be common sense and anti-greedy.

I do look forward to 2.0, but that is a year away, and a lot of things will happen between now and then.

I expect that they will realize they've made yet another mistake after a couple months and make it free to play again. Except by then people will be playing SW:ToR and GW2, plus all the other triple A games coming out this season.

I think the only thing SE has to be careful about is the price, as many have said. I'm disheartened that so few people would be willing to pay, because in my eyes, SE has earned it. I'd gladly pay for XIV, because I can tell they know what they're doing and they sure are working hard for it!

I will mention though... I do not like the "style" of that new UI. Keep it the nice clean look we have now :( That looks like some hideous WoW thing. Make it go away.

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Originally Posted by OranGemeo

I think the only thing SE has to be careful about is the price, as many have said. I'm disheartened that so few people would be willing to pay, because in my eyes, SE has earned it. I'd gladly pay for XIV, because I can tell they know what they're doing and they sure are working hard for it!

I will mention though... I do not like the "style" of that new UI. Keep it the nice clean look we have now :( That looks like some hideous WoW thing. Make it go away.

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Hi Oran! I just want to point something out to you. Please do not take this the wrong way, just another wya of looking at it. The devs are going to make a new game and in my country the sub price will be £10 a month. Now in a month or so the new Elder Scrolls will come out for £39, so by that I am going to pay £120 for this new game they are making. So in my opinion it is best to leave and come back in a year when the non alpha version is realised of the game.

I love the "make people pay" comments. They arent making anyone pay, if you dont think its worth 30-50 pennies a day, dont subscribe. But it seems to me, they kept it free a long time while they worked at fixing it, now things are moving along in the right direction, asking for that small amount a day to keep the entertainment flowing isn't unreasonable.

I still don't think it's ready enough for me to pay a subscription for it yet.

This is a flat out BAD business decision. You want more people playing an MMO, not fewer. I think FFXIV might be the only game to ever go from F2P to P2P also...

Wada's yearly salary is listed on wikipedia, I just can't feel bad or muster up any energy to feed this poor company any money for a half baked game while the top brass are raking in millions of dollars a year profit.

i might stay for awhile, maybe come and go alot not paying them monthly all the way till lol mid 2013 to see all the changes. but i like alot of what i'm reading and i don't like some. the large scale stuff got me excited but again 2013, so see my money then ...lol

also what chain said ...f' corporate world, not paying for mistakes. :)
i'll play till i feel i can't, really will need way more then they putting out at this point for me to stay month by month and have stuff to do.

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Originally Posted by Chain

Wada's yearly salary is listed on wikipedia, I just can't feel bad or muster up any energy to feed this poor company any money for a half baked game while the top brass are raking in millions of dollars a year profit.

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Can you link this? Perhaps that'll put most of the trolls to bed. :)

I dont think we should have to pay for something that has not been completed yet. we dont even have access to the rest of the continent . its like paying to wash half your car.

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Originally Posted by kensredemption

Can you link this? Perhaps that'll put most of the trolls to bed. :)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoichi_Wada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuhiro_Fukushima

Yes most definitely. I'm truly liking the direction this game is now going. I'm seeing that all of the feedback is switching from mostly negative(from the early days) to half and half with just the last couple updates. With the plans for the future, i really believe this game can make it. Yes yes i know its not in stone what they are all planning. Also listen to the song you hear with Cid in the last limsa Grand Company quest. That song makes me feel like its going to be ok! :D (swaped it with my limsa theme)

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Originally Posted by Chain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoichi_Wada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuhiro_Fukushima

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Wow...they truly have become money-grubbing bastards. It's too bad we don't have a Sephiroth-esque anti-hero to slay the President Shinra that Wada has become. -_-;;

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Originally Posted by Carzilla

I dont think we should have to pay for something that has not been completed yet. we dont even have access to the rest of the continent . its like paying to wash half your car.

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Or getting a @#$%^&* when you paid for a whole night. :)

FFXIV gives me the entertainment I like, so I have no issue paying the small sum of 12.99, maybe 15.99 cause i like having 2 characters. And if what they posted about XIV2.0 looks like that 1 year from now. I am so looking forward to see that go live, and wouldnt be surprised if the GFX looks that good, and its a solid gameplay etc that it will give all other MMOs serious competition:)

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Originally Posted by Carzilla

I dont think we should have to pay for something that has not been completed yet. we dont even have access to the rest of the continent . its like paying to wash half your car.

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Come by my workplace, and ill wash your whole car + interior, for half the price of normal carwashes XD

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Originally Posted by Altera

Come by my workplace, and ill wash your whole car + interior, for half the price of normal carwashes XD

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Thumbs up for humor and sexual tension. :P

I'd like to stick around but unless there's more to do by the time they want us to pay...
I'm not to sure...
Only Ifrit Hyper, and Darkhold left for me, besides random story as I level, and that doesn't seem like enough to be paying for.

I bought the game to try out the new stuff from beta and not even a day later they announce I have to pay. Nope, i'll wait until 2.0