Preliminary patch notes are up

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Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall

Saw the new color dyes in the preview screenshot but didnt see them listed in the patch notes. Maybe i missed it

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prelim patch notes do not list items and recipes, that's for the full patch notes when the server goes down.

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Originally Posted by Felis

increasing GC seal cap always happen with a new GC rank.
If you are searching something to spend your GC seals, i can recommend venture marks.

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Pretty much always have more than 80 of that too. And I don't need that many of those either.
On that note though - well, isn't it high time to add more GC ranks too? Can't even remember it being touched since launch?

Aethernet in Idyllshire.. I guess one of them will take you to Hinterlands and the city is getting bigger as it was a gobbieplan from the start

So I assume there's no PF for explorations? So people like me with empty friend's lists and no FC will have to... socialize?

SAY IT ISN'T SO SE!!!

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Just because other activities have been designed with a bad access interface is no excuse to continue that design element with new content.

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So you want everything to instantly take you to the instance/dungeon? Whatever happened to traveling to the dungeon you were wanting to complete?

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Pretty much always have more than 80 of that too. And I don't need that many of those either.
On that note though - well, isn't it high time to add more GC ranks too? Can't even remember it being touched since launch?

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I believe they said they're working on it, but that they wanted to have an actual event built around new ranks, rather than just the same "Go farm X Seals for a promotion" that we had for 2.0. I'm hoping for a revival of Hamlet Defense, personally. Was pretty meh in 1.23, but the crafting aspect was nice, hopefully they can make something more akin to XIs Besieged/Campaign with the new servers... That could mirror Diadem actually... Diadem; Combat and Gathering. Hamlet Defense; Combat and Crafting. I'd hope we're getting something new in 3.2 at least, they said nothing new for Airship Exploration until 3.3 IIRC, and we're only getting two dungeons from now on so they can "try new things", so either 3 dungeons for 3.2 or 2 and something new please!

Also, I think Hunts may have screwed over Grand Companies in the short term... I'm fairly sure their initial plan was to have new Grand Company ranks with the Elite gear, Hunts was something they quickly threw together to appease demand for "XI style NMs", seems like new ranks and accompanying gear got thrown under that bus...

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

So I assume there's no PF for explorations? So people like me with empty friend's lists and no FC will have to... socialize?

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Originally Posted by Patch 3.1 Notes (Preliminary)

[2.0][3.0] The following changes and adjustments have been made to the Party Finder.
New categories and objectives have been added.
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Exploratory Missions
The Diadem (Easy) / The Diadem / The Diadem (Hard)

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Also, don't you socialize in PF? ...

That was supposed to be humorous but since I suck at such things...

Anyway apparently I lack patch reading comprehension. Hopefully Exploration DF won't be populated with the same stereotypical lot in standard dungeons DF.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

As MT in a raid you weren't really using it *anyways*.

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I know this is hard for people to wrap their heads around, but the world doesn't revolve around raids. Raids make up a tiny percentage of the total game at the moment, and there are plenty of enemies in other content which are still vulnerable to pacification. And, by the by, there are still enemies even in Alexander which are vulnerable to pacify.

Still, I don't understand this mentality of "you weren't using it anyway, so let's make sure you never want to use it again". How is that logic? Surely if it's not being utilized to it's fullest, it should be buffed, not nerfed! I don't really care if I'm in the minority of players who actually use this skill regularly. There are Scholar's out there who never touch Eye for an Eye, and Bards who never touch Wanderer's Minuet. The fact is that, for me, this change is going to severely limit how often I can use this skill, and that cannot be considered a benefit.

But it's not a verified nerf. That's what *you* aren't getting.

It's currently a dps loss to use, it's awkward and clunky to use, and in no way reliable. On top of it, it's useless as OT.

And no, nothing in Alex normal that it would work on is worth using it on. Nothing in Normal is so bad where anyone would say, "man, I wish I could have pacified that."

But keep trying. It's lack of use is why they're changing it. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

But this changes won`t even come close to that. I seriously can`t belive some people. A reasonable change is suddenly an automatic handout... This kind of extremism about content changes needs to stop.

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Reasonable...really?
it would be the same for people who care about combat if they had increased HP by 300% for all classes so that people could finally beat savage alexander.

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Originally Posted by KfLeX

I don't know how you guys do those 2 runs all the time for eso. Do some pvp get in there, easy runs for tombs.

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I see what you did there... With all those deaths, tombs are a natural result. Though I think you meant tomes ^_~

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Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall

Saw the new color dyes in the preview screenshot but didnt see them listed in the patch notes. Maybe i missed it

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Well, it's only the preliminary patch notes; not everything is listed, and in particular the list of items added. But I hope that the new tradable dyes won't be Mogstation, but ventures (or MGP, I guess). To have Mogstation items tradeable would just open up a whole new can of worms ^^;

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

OGCD and a cd means likely don't need to block to use, making it useful to OT, where you couldn't use it at all.

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edit: nvm someone already responded about Reprisal.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Well, currently, anyone with multiple characters who wants housing needs multiple houses. Given the housing shortage in this game (not to mention the exorbitant cost) it'd be nice if we could have just one house per player and have our characters share it.

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Also, I'd share with my alts for the cheap teleport alone.

Why did they increase the item level of default race gear from one to five?

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

Why did they increase the item level of default race gear from one to five?

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There is a very early story quest where you need gear with an ilvl of 5. It was changed so that the quest can be completed with the gear one starts with.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

There is a very early story quest where you need gear with an ilvl of 5. It was changed so that the quest can be completed with the gear one starts with.

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Originally, it was you needed to equip 5 left hand of level 5 gear, as item level wasn't a thing at launch. Now that it is a thing, now it's more focused on item levels than the actual equip level.

http://i.imgur.com/rv6zs2H.png
I never use those skills after 3.0 and still my TP burn faster than DRG or BRD. This isn't helping me at all! Also with less mudra lag making me burn x1.5 faster than before! Need Aeolian Edge back to 50 TP!

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

Why did they increase the item level of default race gear from one to five?

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Err... What? Where did they mention that? O.o The only "level 5" search (which would include "item level 5") in the patch notes brings up the adjustment to the main scenario quests “Dressed to Call,” “Passing Muster,” and “Prudence at This Junction”.

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Originally Posted by KingXRay

http://i.imgur.com/rv6zs2H.png
I never use those skills after 3.0 and still my TP burn faster than DRG or BRD. This isn't helping me at all! Also with less mudra lag making me burn x1.5 faster than before! Need Aeolian Edge back to 50 TP!

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So you don't use your dots?

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

Reasonable...really?
it would be the same for people who care about combat if they had increased HP by 300% for all classes so that people could finally beat savage alexander.

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Your example is so wrong on so many levels that i don`t know where to begin.

I guess i could just try to tell you to look at the diference between progression and locking out. This changes turn crafting again into a process of progression.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

So you don't use your dots?

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nope, it makes my dps slower and lower, coz tp burn too fast as well so not worth for dots
https://youtu.be/gxWZPnMHE20

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Originally Posted by KingXRay

http://i.imgur.com/rv6zs2H.png
I never use those skills after 3.0 and still my TP burn faster than DRG or BRD. This isn't helping me at all! Also with less mudra lag making me burn x1.5 faster than before! Need Aeolian Edge back to 50 TP!

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Originally Posted by KingXRay

nope, it makes my dps slower and lower, coz tp burn too fast as well so not worth for dots
https://youtu.be/gxWZPnMHE20

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Well I think you alone in that then, the tp reduction is thought out with the overall players in mind not the few with higher pings. Not knocking your playstyle just seems from your earlier comment that you are saying the change is pointless cause it don't affect you directly.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

The changes to limit break growth will be a real benefit to forming statics. It will be easier to fill in for a specific role and allow double job combinations instead of looking for the exact job.

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I'm looking at these limit break adjustments slightly different than most people...

Quoting the notes:

[2.0] In keeping with balance changes for certain dungeons and trials, the rate at which the Limit Break Gauge fills has been adjusted as follows:
Dungeons and trials accessible solo via the Duty Finder:
The Limit Break Gauge will no longer fill more slowly when multiple members of the same class/job are in the party

Dungeons and trials requiring a full party to register via the Duty Finder:

The Limit Break Gauge will fill more slowly than before for parties with three or more members of the same role. Class/job roles are as follows:

Tank: Gladiator/Marauder/Paladin/Warrior/Dark Knight
Melee DPS: Pugilist/Lancer/Rogue/Monk/Dragoon/Ninja
Ranged DPS: Archer/Thaumaturge/Arcanist/Bard/Black Mage/Summoner/Machinist
Healer: Conjurer/White Mage/Scholar/Astrologian

For trials accessible solo via DF they're removing the restrictions to LB when multiple people in the same job join.
For trials requiring a full party to register via DF, they're adding the restriction where LB fills slowly w/ more than 2 of each role.

They don't explicitly say that the more than 2 or more of the same job restriction is being lifted for the full party DFs, but they do state it for the solo queue able DFs. Which is why I think it's adding on instead of modifying it.

Why add instead of change? There would be no reason for most serious raid groups to take anything other than double WAR as tanks. It would essentially only encourage further segregation of jobs. Just my thoughts though. I suppose either an official response or testing will confirm either scenario.

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[2.0] The tradable version of the following dyes has been added:
Pure White Dye / Jet Black Dye / Metallic Silver Dye / Metallic Gold Dye / Pastel Pink Dye / Pastel Green Dye / Pastel Blue Dye / Pastel Purple Dye / Metallic Red Dye / Metallic Green Dye / Metallic Blue Dye
* The new, tradable version will have a different name.

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Finally! So sick of 2 weeks straight not getting any of the Pure White Dye and Retainer bringing back materials crap. I hope the Dye will be easy to craft or not ridiculously expensive.

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Originally Posted by Tisharu

Finally! So sick of 2 weeks straight not getting any of the Pure White Dye and Retainer bringing back materials crap. I hope the Dye will be easy to craft or not ridiculously expensive.

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Tradeable version replaces what your retainer brings back. And they'll still likely be expensive.

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Originally Posted by KingXRay

nope, it makes my dps slower and lower, coz tp burn too fast as well so not worth for dots
https://youtu.be/gxWZPnMHE20

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I'm sorry but that's not a particularly good opener. 1.4k dps over 30 seconds of burst damage is not great. I hope no one's actually looking at your clip for advice. My mudras come out slower than yours do in the video and I burst way higher (why don't you use kassatsu during trick attack?!). Mutilate has a total potency of 360, shadow fang 440. They are the highest potency GCD skills ninja has if you don't clip them.

With the TP reductions shadow fang will have the same tp cost as aeolian edge, but with 120 higher total potency. It's a no brainer that you should be using your dots.

...Going by the recent conversation in this thread and another thread, I REALLY wish they would hurry up with that training center. However, I don't think it'll do much good in the end unfortunately even though it's SOMETHING to hope for.

Anybody else noticed the minimum iLvl of 175 for Ravana?

A little bit high for a minimum?

As far I remember, nobody of my group was doing hunts on early days. So the highest iLvl of some members was i170 as we killed it first and started to farm. The lowes iLvl had my co healer (SCH: i153) and me (WHM: i156).

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

Anybody else noticed the minimum iLvl of 175 for Ravana?

A little bit high for a minimum?

As far I remember, nobody of my group was doing hunts on early days. So the highest iLvl of some members was i170 as we killed it first and started to farm. The lowes iLvl had my co healer (SCH: i153) and me (WHM: i156).

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This is the Duty Finder we're talking about, I'm surprised it isn't set to ilvl 185. People in PF can't put out enough DPS for Bismarck in i180 and DF is usually much worse, any lower and everyone would be in for a very unpleasant experience (and I know they'll have 20% echo).

The bad thing is: even in a full party you will need that iLvl to enter then.

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Since Heavensward, we have a special option in DF to get synced to the minimum iLvl for a special challange.

Where is that challange, when the minimum iLvl is set far to high?

Ravana Ex is 160, maybe 165. But not 175.

New dances, yay :)

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

The bad thing is: even in a full party you will need that iLvl to enter then.

Also:

Since Heavensward, we have a special option in DF to get synced to the minimum iLvl for a special challange.

Where is that challange, when the minimum iLvl is set far to high?

Ravana Ex is 160, maybe 165. But not 175.

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players with skill level as high as you are very rare, many parties which use their main class which have level 200 weapon and other pieces cannot pass whale extreme dps checks, also most tanks fail tank swap in that fight.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

The bad thing is: even in a full party you will need that iLvl to enter then.

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Item level requirements are usually relatively high for content that goes from pre-form only to Duty Finder, generally ranging from about 15 to 20 item levels below the rewards offered by the content.

The time for an EX to be a challenge is when it's released, and it seems that you got that challenge. Now, the content and its rewards are dated, so it is made more accessible to the general playerbase. The item levels are set higher because you can't guarantee party compositions or player skill to any degree in the DF, which creates for a better experience when groups are randomly matched. The content is no longer *for* the people that could clear it at i160--it's for the people that *couldn't* do that.

Those looking for challenge now have Thordan EX.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

Item level requirements are usually relatively high for content that goes from pre-form only to Duty Finder, generally ranging from about 15 to 20 item levels below the rewards offered by the content.

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But... Aren't Bismarck weapons i185? Doesn't that mean it WOULD be reasonable to have a requirement of i165-170?

*goes look it up*

Wait. Bismarck weapons are i175. What's the point of having the same item level requirement as the drops? O.o That's like requiring i90 for first Coil.

Edit: Nvm. I misread and thought bismarck was requiring i175 xD not Ravana. That makes more sense then, even if Bismarck is still only 10 ilvls below the drop ^^;

just farm eso and get the weapon which is far superior to ravana and you avoid the frustration of putting up with DF group for that fight.

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Originally Posted by DarkB

just farm eso and get the weapon which is far superior to ravana and you avoid the frustration of putting up with DF group for that fight.

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But Ravana weapons look pretty, unlike the eso weapons.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Edit: Nvm. I misread and thought bismarck was requiring i175 xD not Ravana. That makes more sense then, even if Bismarck is still only 10 ilvls below the drop ^^;

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Yes, Bismarck is one of the few outliers, but the DPS requirements in Bismarck are fairly stringent (more so than Ravana's, in my experience), so I'm not surprised it has a relatively high requirement.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

Yes, Bismarck is one of the few outliers, but the DPS requirements in Bismarck are fairly stringent (more so than Ravana's, in my experience), so I'm not surprised it has a relatively high requirement.

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TBH, I didn't think so; the only reasons I've ever seen an auto-wipe* in Bismarck was due to adds being neglected because of everyone going "oooh, look, a whale to ride!" and consequently leaving them to break the island. But I'll say that I still have very little clue how to recognize the weather patterns and that I'd be lost if I didn't have an FC mate do the weather call-outs o.o (I also still have problems with the doors in Lost City, unless that mechanic is skipped altogether ^^; So it's not necessarily that it's a difficult mechanic, only a type of mechanic that I personally have issues with.)

*) I first wrote 'hit enrage', but then realized that the whole island reaching 0 might not be the actual enrage, so I changed it ^^;

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Originally Posted by Alahra

Most wipes I've seen on Bismarck was due to lacking DPS, with the others normally due to tank swap mixups during the serpent phase. That's just in my experience, of course.

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Fair enough ^^ I haven't really seen that happen that much; I've only been told by people I've run with that unless the carapace breaks in at the most two goes, there's not enough DPS to clear it. In the beginning, that was tricky and it sometimes took two goes and a little bit due to the debuff (but it was good enough for practice and learning the mechanics, and we usually wiped due to everyone falling off or dying, not due to failing DPS checks, so...), so I guess if that's right it could be tricky with DF groups, when you can't be sure of how much practice they've had.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

TBH, I didn't think so; the only reasons I've ever seen an auto-wipe* in Bismarck was due to adds being neglected because of everyone going "oooh, look, a whale to ride!" and consequently leaving them to break the island.

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Most wipes I've seen on Bismarck was due to lacking DPS, with the others normally due to tank swap mixups during the serpent phase. That's just in my experience, of course.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

Yeah, thinking about it now... not being able to damage the clams when they were closed was totally unfair.

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I wouldn't mind fixing that... cus every second in Satasha is boredom.