Windows 10 [Did you upgrade?]

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

why would anybody install spyware like win10 is on your pc?

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Really? The explanation is one post over this and you decide not to read it but spam?
If you are using a smartphone: Please throw it away today. More spyware in your life is not even possible....

Jeez... when will people learn to inform themself before talking the same shit as other people?
If 100 websites are explaining that the sun is green it is still not true....

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Originally Posted by Lantia

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FYI its not me, its you who should google how to use custom rom for your smartphone without spyware(google apps, samsung apps, whatever company apps) eg bare android with FOSS apps only, fw and onion network.
You are welcome, there is no need to trow away device. Maybe if you are using iphone or winphone then yes.

Regarding windows, even you turn off features, they are still there. System is not modular with lot of unusefull social media garbage, worst application store ever you dont even want to use, tiles which looks like you using mobile phone instead of desktop, bad flat desing mainly for touch users(so for only few percent of users) .. and in the end, it doesnt affect performance of FFXIV at all... oh and i forgot licensing... worst licensing ever.

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Originally Posted by Devilbringer

But there’s something you should know: Windows 10 is also spying on nearly everything you do.!!! you can google that its true :)

Microsoft 10 is a spy software and they dont tell that to users, they know when you start your computer! have fun with it but i stay on windows 7 ^^

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

why would anybody install spyware like win10 is on your pc?

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Google has been spying on people for ages.
Apple has been spying on people for ages.
Facebook has been spying on people for ages.
etc.

Now Microsoft does a bit of their own spying, and everyone Riots. I find it funny.

I laugh when it's cool to have a smartphone, use Google search, watch YouTube and get excited about the new version of iOS and Android or MAC OS and when MS releases a new version of Windows suddenly it's not cool at all. If you are so concerned about privacy then you must unplug yourself completely from the internet.
You can switch off many of the privacy setting in W10 after all. They are just on by default.
W10 performs better in every aspect than W7 and W8. And when DX12 games come out next year you will want to have W10.
It's always crying when a new version of Windows comes out. Same happened with 7. People were bashing it saying their Windows XP works better and they don't need 7. They even said they will never upgrade yet they did when their games stopped running well on it. So let's stop this crap talk we all know most gamers will upgrade to 10 at some point.

http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 For those who are concerned, this stops the spying. I'll consider upgrading when a workaround is released for the force-fed updates.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

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Only people which are technically unskilled are happy about new version of mac os, ios and stuff. Basicaly they are same kind of people who likes MS10.
You always have option to control your traffic over internet and not use google, youtube, macbadstuff, also you can use google and youtube anonymously so its not that big deal.
Regarding windows there are many other security concerns than just few default setting .. (also lot of hidden). Windows 8 was bad and Windows 10 is also bad. 7 is not great but better choice.
You know why people liked win xp? Because it was small, you can disable lot of things, it was not great but it was kinda clean and after some tweaks its even run on calculator.
With every new version of Windows they add 10GB of things you dont need, dont want, like retarded intergation of windows store, twitter, social crap and other zillion things you dont ever need as gamer.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

Only people which are technically unskilled are happy about new version of mac os, ios and stuff. Basicaly they are same kind of people who likes MS10.

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I'm a Software Developer, and I love Win 10. It's faster, looks better, runs better on bad machines than 7, got rid of that Aero shit, and synchronizes many settings over both my computers, and soon my phone as well.

So I really wouldn't say that it's mainly people who are technically unskilled like Win10.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

I'm a Software Developer, and I love Win 10. It's faster, looks better, runs better on bad machines than 7, got rid of that Aero shit, and synchronizes many settings over both my computers, and soon my phone as well.

So I really wouldn't say that it's mainly people who are technically unskilled like Win10.

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Well then I really hope you dont work for some sector which needs some level of security. Also dont understand why people like sync, only reliable sync of settings I found out is mozilla one. You can install it over your own servers. But anyway for example with Linux you have possiblity to map your home folder over whatever computer you want without sending data to 3rd party. I assume you are working for small company or developing something for phones, because in big companies they would never allows you to sync data like you described. Because its unsafe.

BTW: did you know you can turn off airo in windows 7?

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

Well then I really hope you dont work for some sector which needs some level of security. Also dont understand why people like sync, only reliable sync of settings I found out ismozilla one. You can install it over your own servers. But anyway for example with Linux you have possiblity to map your home folder over whatever computer you want without sending data to 3rd party. I assume you are working for small company or developing something for phones, because in big companies they would never allows you to sync data like you described. Because its unsafe.

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Actually most stuff I do is in the financial sector, so VERY high levels of security.
And no, I do not use my own phone or computer for work-related stuff, and if I would I would of course not have it synced, duh... I use that in my personal computers. And it works perfectly fine.

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BTW: did you know you can turn off airo in windows 7?

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BTW: Did you know you can prevent Win 10 from sending ANY data?

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

BTW: Did you know you can prevent Win 10 from sending ANY data?

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There is only one reliable way. Firewall that machine with rules:
iptables --policy INPUT DROP
iptables --policy OUTPUT DROP
iptables --policy FORWARD DROP

But then GG with your whilelist.

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

There is only one reliable way. Firewall that machine with rules:
iptables --policy INPUT DROP
iptables --policy OUTPUT DROP
iptables --policy FORWARD DROP

But then GG with your whilelist.

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Or you could just use one of the many tools that can do this shit for you.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 For those who are concerned, this stops the spying. I'll consider upgrading when a workaround is released for the force-fed updates.

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:D :D :D

sir, its no point to explain things over and over again. Use this tool you posted. Download wireshark. Sniff traffic from and to your W10 machine. Be suprised.

For those that "saw a performance increase"... how long was your last OS on your system? A fresh install of the same OS can see considerable performance increases.

People tend to get excited by new OSes not created by Microsoft because they tend to be better than the one they already using. Unlike Microsoft products which have about a 50/50 chance of being a complete piece of junk.

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Originally Posted by RocheKat

For those that "saw a performance increase"... how long was your last OS on your system? A fresh install of the same OS can see considerable performance increases.

People tend to get excited by new OSes not created by Microsoft because they tend to be better than the one they already using. Unlike Microsoft products which have about a 50/50 chance of being a complete piece of junk.

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1) Most didn't do a clean install, just an upgrade.
2) On my second machine the OS was rather fresh, under 6 months, and I was not noticing any sort of performance issues yet.
3) The last piece of junk MS put out was Vista, so the chance that their new OS is going to be better than the last one is rather high lately, so yeah.

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Originally Posted by Sartori

No I didn't upgrade, pointless. Sticking with 7 till either myself or it dies...

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Said every XP user.

have to disable my avast, but other than that, just upgraded clicking the icon.. had to update my drivers, and do some updates but so far seems to work fine..

Screw it, everyone knows that all even number windows suck

(I'm fine with my Windows 7 :p)

Using Win10 since the day it was released.

No issues, blazing fast shutdown/start ups, same as Win8.1

Til now, i've installed quite a lot of programs, the programs that auto start are Steam, qb torrent, garmin ant agent, adobe stuff, chrome stuff etc. etc.

Start up is still blazingly fast, less than 6 seconds. PC ready to go once its in windows, no additional loading.

used an AMD 6950 before upgrading to R9 290, both no issues, i didnt even bother uninstalling drivers since its AMD anyway, no crashes/blue screens or anything.

serving me well.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

Google has been spying on people for ages.
Apple has been spying on people for ages.
Facebook has been spying on people for ages.
etc.

Now Microsoft does a bit of their own spying, and everyone Riots. I find it funny.

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Facebook isn't reading my emails and doesn't have a licensing agreement that says they can use anything in them for any purpose they want.

I'm a political activist with conservative leaning views. Suppose that someday, the establishment decides that they want to start arresting anyone protesting say, gun control? Microsoft essentially has the liberty to start scanning my fking email for that shit and sending data to the government.

How in the bloody hell can you defend that kind of bullshit?

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

Actually most stuff I do is in the financial sector, so VERY high levels of security.
And no, I do not use my own phone or computer for work-related stuff, and if I would I would of course not have it synced, duh... I use that in my personal computers. And it works perfectly fine.



BTW: Did you know you can prevent Win 10 from sending ANY data?

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Their EULA basically states that it doesn't matter what you set windows to do, they can still do it anyways.

All the client settings in the world won't change the fact that you signed away on your right to privacy by installing it.

My computer won't let me upgrade to Windows 10. It's failed every single time. So I've given up until I've saved up enough money for a new motherboard, processor and operating system (since I won't be able to use the one that came with my PC).

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Facebook isn't reading my emails and doesn't have a licensing agreement that says they can use anything in them for any purpose they want.

I'm a political activist with conservative leaning views. Suppose that someday, the establishment decides that they want to start arresting anyone protesting say, gun control? Microsoft essentially has the liberty to start scanning my fking email for that shit and sending data to the government.

How in the bloody hell can you defend that kind of bullshit?

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And Facebook can scan your chat lines.
And Google can scan your emails (and does that A LOT when you use gmail to offer you personalized advertisement), your SMS if you use Android, even listen to your calls.
Shall I continue?
NOTHING that is on the Internet is safe or private. Nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by Noshpan

My computer won't let me upgrade to Windows 10. It's failed every single time. So I've given up until I've saved up enough money for a new motherboard, processor and operating system (since I won't be able to use the one that came with my PC).

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Try using the media tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

1. Yep, either on day one or day two. Only issue I had was the initial problem with Nvidia drivers which was fixed pretty simply.

2. Yep. No issues. Started up without a hitch.

3. Yep. Was running DX11 under Win7 as well.

4. Haven't noticed anything major either in performance or graphical quality between either version of Windows.

5. Windows runs somewhat faster now than under 7. Most apps run about as well as they did under 7.

6. Nope. Hasn't seemed necessary at this point.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

And Facebook can scan your chat lines.
And Google can scan your emails (and does that A LOT when you use gmail to offer you personalized advertisement), your SMS if you use Android, even listen to your calls.
Shall I continue?
NOTHING that is on the Internet is safe or private. Nothing at all.

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NSA is collecting everything anyways, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way and greenlight it.

What they do behind my back is an entirely different story.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

NSA is collecting everything anyways, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way and greenlight it.

What they do behind my back is an entirely different story.

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I... I'm totally lost for words... Can't tell if your attitude is just ironic, apologetic, or completely hypocritical...

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

I... I'm totally lost for words... Can't tell if your attitude is just ironic, apologetic, or completely hypocritical...

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I'll spell it out for you:

I. Will. Not. Willingly. Accept. A. EULA. Agreement. That. Says. "Yes. You. Can. Collect. And. Distribute. My. Personal. Information. However. You. See. Fit. To. Whomever. You. Want."

Because that's what it says. "You can take any information stored on this computer, regardless of if I send it out on the net, for use at our discretion."

How do you think it's targeted advertising stuff is supposed to work? Among other things.

And there's ways to block Google off from collecting information from Android phones. And if the first thing you didn't do with a new one was "disable GPS and geotagging" I feel sorry.

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Originally Posted by Fortified

Try using the media tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

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Tried it. Didn't work.

1. Did you upgrade after the release of Windows 10? Yes.

2. Did the game start with zero issues? Yes.

3. Running DX11 version of the game just fine? Yes.

4. Noticeable changes? Slightly faster.

5. Personal experience you would like to share about it? No.

Edit: 6. Did you follow up with a clean install after the upgrade? No.

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Originally Posted by Devilbringer

But there’s something you should know: Windows 10 is also spying on nearly everything you do.!!! you can google that its true :)

Microsoft 10 is a spy software and they dont tell that to users, they know when you start your computer! have fun with it but i stay on windows 7 ^^

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Originally Posted by LunnaRavenheart

why would anybody install spyware like win10 is on your pc?

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Stay ignorant, my friends.