The PS3 killed FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

It is so easy to get a grind group in FFXIV currently because it takes next to no time to get to your destination as long as one person has Anima

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This thread will now turn into one about immersion

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Blasphemy! That video made me want to punch babies. Only way I could see you not liking Naruto is either you just don't like Anime or you only watched it in the worst possible English Dub I have ever seen in my entire life. o_o;;

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Actually I love anime. I do not however perceive Naruto as anime, it is too marketed towards western cartoon and comedy styles.

I do however love:
Lucky star
Haruhi Suzumiya
Black Lagoon
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Burst Angel
Chobits
DearS
Negima
Azumanga Daioh
To Love RU
Welcome To The NHK
Most Gundam series
Girls Bravo
Gungrave

and a multitude of others.

Cue debate on how Naruto is/isn't anime in 3....2....1....

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Actually I love anime. I do not however perceive Naruto as anime, it is too marketed towards western cartoon and comedy styles.

I do however love:
Lucky star
Haruhi Suzumiya
Black Lagoon
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Burst Angel
Chobits
DearS
Negima
Azumanga Daioh
To Love RU
Welcome To The NHK
Most Gundam series
Girls Bravo
Gungrave

and a multitude of others.

Cue debate on how Naruto is/isn't anime in 3....2....1....

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You forgot Demon King Daimao. Boobie goodness...

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I giggled again.

@This thread has now become the official random comedy thread.

Go!

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Wait, this thread wasn't a joke from the start?

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Actually I love anime. I do not however perceive Naruto as anime, it is too marketed towards western cartoon and comedy styles.

I do however love:
Lucky star
Haruhi Suzumiya
Black Lagoon
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Burst Angel
Chobits
DearS
Negima
Azumanga Daioh
To Love RU
Welcome To The NHK
Most Gundam series
Girls Bravo
Gungrave

and a multitude of others.

Cue debate on how Naruto is/isn't anime in 3....2....1....

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Really? Explain this: it is too marketed towards western cartoon and comedy styles.
Because from my extent from my stay in Japan that is one of the things I always loved about Naruto is the Japanese feeling and comedy it presents to the fullest. So I actually have a hard time understanding what you mean when you say that.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Really? Explain this: it is too marketed towards western cartoon and comedy styles.
Because from my extent from my stay in Japan that is one of the things I always loved about Naruto is the Japanese feeling and comedy it presents to the fullest. So I actually have a hard time understanding what you mean when you say that.

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It's art style differs greatly from that of anime, don't ask me to explain that in detail, I can't, but when I look at something like Welcome To The NHK then I look at Naruto, they just look worlds apart. I suppose if I were to try and explain it to some degree, it would be that shows like Naruto and Dragonball Z look like they had the 'lazy animation' treatment, some movements are jerky or blurry because they didn't bother drawing the extra frames to add smoothness. It's rare to see what I perceive as anime that does not look crisp and smooth.
Most 'proper' anime (I'm loosely using that term) rarely go on for more than 2 or 3 seasons. Some do exceptionally well and continue for an extra 1 or 2, but they never go on for as many episodes as Naruto (I also don't consider Dragonball Z an anime either in case you were wondering)
Most fighting and action scenes in action anime tend to be short and intense sequences, Black Lagoon was adrenaline pumping, neon genesis evangelion was brute strength and constant tug-of-war. Shows like Naruto (and Dragonball Z) seem to often involve the characters standing around doing a lot of glaring, thinking to themselves and holding arguements with their opponent, sometimes for whole episodes at a time as it goes through a flashback sequence of the previous 5 episodes. (I'm generalising at this point but you should get what I mean)

Whether it's just that these shows simply follow a different style of anime which gives a brief outline of how they should be perceived and how the developers should pace the show (e.g/ Japanese anime/Korean anime) I don't know, I think I heard someone giving these two different kinds seperate names before the word 'anime', something like Shonen I think it was.
But basically that's how I feel about it, if it is simply a different style of anime creation that shows like Naruto, Dragonball Z and others like those all follow some kind of suit by, then I will begin to call it anime again but using the name of it's anime style. If not, I'll simply refuse to call it anime.

And Eekiki, I've never heard of Demon King Daimao, but now that I've finished typing this reposnse I'm gonna go google it :P
(Yes I am an ecchi fan too, as if the anime I listed didn't hint enough at that x3)

Naruto is actually heavily nestled in Japanese culture. The thing about it is it was made with the west in mind so it's done in a way it won't go over the heads of americans watching it where compared to animes like Clannad for example, it helps to know Japanese culture.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Naruto is actually heavily nestled in Japanese culture. The thing about it is it was made with the west in mind so it's done in a way it won't go over the heads of americans watching it where compared to animes like Clannad for example, it helps to know Japanese culture.

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So it's basically like a more westernised japanese anime. That's kinda what I meant :3

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Naruto is actually heavily nestled in Japanese culture. The thing about it is it was made with the west in mind so it's done in a way it won't go over the heads of americans watching it where compared to animes like Clannad for example, it helps to know Japanese culture.

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I <3 Clannad, Kanon and Air! Give me Rewrite anime now! >.<

Kona I am going to move this discussion to the All Star thread so we don't get too far off topic.

There was a topic to begin with?

If there was, I must have blinked and missed it.

Lol not really but whatever.

Not that I really care about the topic and all, but Anime such as Naruto, Dragon Ball and Bleach are in the multiple hundreds of episodes because they did so well in japan. It has nothing to do with the fact that they were well received in the west. The simple fact is they are Marketed to young men who like Heavy Action with an Over Arching story rather than the typical female oriented anime such as Clannad which is very heavy into character development and short stories to tell a Big story.

Personally I love both styles, though I can't stand watching anime like Naruto in less than 10 episode increments. That's simply because those anime are designed to be cliff hangers in every episode and nothing ever happens in twenty minutes.

You say Clannad is female oriented? xD roflmao

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Not that I really care about the topic and all, but Anime such as Naruto, Dragon Ball and Bleach are in the multiple hundreds of episodes because they did so well in japan. It has nothing to do with the fact that they were well received in the west. The simple fact is they are Marketed to young men who like Heavy Action with an Over Arching story rather than the typical female oriented anime such as Clannad which is very heavy into character development and short stories to tell a Big story.

Personally I love both styles, though I can't stand watching anime like Naruto in less than 10 episode increments. That's simply because those anime are designed to be cliff hangers in every episode and nothing ever happens in twenty minutes.

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Have..you ever even seen Clannad? Let alone played?

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

So it's basically like a more westernised japanese anime. That's kinda what I meant :3

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But it's animated in Korea, isn't it?

I'm so confused...

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

But it's animated in Korea, isn't it?

I'm so confused...

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Some episodes are, especially the longer ones. There's like 7 animation studios working on Naruto.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Some episodes are, especially the longer ones. There's like 7 animation studios working on Naruto.

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Ah. I always wondered how they were able to churn out so many episodes so quickly to keep it going at a constant rate, where as the anime that only get 1 or 2 seasons take like, a year or two to make.

Still waiting on the english dub of Black Lagoon: Robertas Blood Trail >.>'

Moreover, what we're gonna say will be "FFXIV Killed my PS3."

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Moreover, what we're gonna say will be "FFXIV Killed my PS3."

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I see no problem here (b'.')b

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Moreover, what we're gonna say will be "FFXIV Killed my PS3."

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I already mentioned the orange light of death we would get with the game as it is now :P

Well at least that means the ps3 version gets debunked and looks ugly. Then instead of the case of FFXI where xbox players were saying the game looked better on their machine than on the pc, it'll be the other way round, if they complain, we'll say "go buy pc". :D

Not wasting £300 on a crappy machine to play a game when I spent £1000 on this one over the years.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Have..you ever even seen Clannad? Let alone played?

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I've seen every episode of Clannad but i didnt know there was a game.

Sucks to be you guys. I got the Original 60 Gig PS3, runs like a dream, fully backward compatible, updates super fast, and has never once over heated.

Xbox on the other hand I had to mail in to get repaired 9 times....

When it comes to anime, there's a game of it.

Problem is, it's only available in Japan.

Due to their leniancy towards certain content, it is understandable as to why we never see them.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

I've seen every episode of Clannad but i didnt know there was a game.

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Ever heard of Kanon, Air or Moon.? <.<
Seriously that stuff is not for females (and not for kids either).

Not for females? Why?

Are they ecchis? I watch ecchis y'know.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Not for females? Why?

Are they ecchis? I watch ecchis y'know.

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No, not for kids being it's serious subject matter. "Not for females" I'm not sure, but I watch em and I'm female, but I can say it's not what the generalized female anime fan would be interested in in otherwords.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

No, not for kids being it's serious subject matter. "Not for females" I'm not sure, but I watch em and I'm female, but I can say it's not what the generalized female anime fan would be interested in in otherwords.

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Are we saying that it's violent, sexist or too close to err... the 'H' word?

'Cos I've watched Urotsukidoji and that's pretty much all 3 rolled into one.

"One of the goals of the original version's gameplay is for the player to enable the viewing of adult scenes depicting Yuichi and one of the five heroines having sexual intercourse."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanon
Newer games by key are safe though. But that isn't the reason it's not for female audience. The protagonists are always male... it's as simple as that :P

Anyone else thinks there's a chance that SE will be doing an announcement about the PS3 release at the soon to begin Tokyo Game Show ? The game is getting decent, we have a major update coming soon, 1 year anniversary is next week and Sony + SE are doing a conference together at the TGS (japan being their main playerbase). That would be a great occasion for them to reveal a PS3 launch date.

I reckon 1.19 is gonna be next week, if not, the week after.

Either way, with the amount of content they're putting into one patch I think they'll be walking around with fingers crossed for days hoping it was enough to satisfy the players for a little longer whilst they finish off the rest of the core mechanics.

That being said, as soon as they know the 1.19 has been successfull they may announce a release date for the ps3.

They will need some time to watch the reaction of the community after releasing 1.19 and some important changes come in 1.20. I think it will need some more months before we can expect a PS3 release date.

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I just don't feel like the audience is the same, at all. You can say you for example are a console player, yet here you are playing a PC game on a PC, so I don't count you as a console player.

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I am a console gamer, whether I play Xiv or not. You lack the subtlety and insight of the true Picard and disgrace the name with your absurd generalizations sir! I can't get all the achievements of gears of war and play Xiv? Your statements are derived from your own false preconceptions.

Anything they can do to separate the truly skilled from the people with too much free time is alright by me. You can have all hq gear and all combat jobs to 50 and still suck.

Hugs and kisses.

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Originally Posted by Destain

I am a console gamer, whether I play Xiv or not. You lack the subtlety and insight of the true Picard and disgrace the name with your absurd generalizations sir! I can't get all the achievements of gears of war and play Xiv? Your statements are derived from your own false preconceptions.

Anything they can do to separate the truly skilled from the people with too much free time is alright by me. You can have all hq gear and all combat jobs to 50 and still suck.

Hugs and kisses.

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So true

Re-worded to what I used to hear once upon a time:

"You can be a level 85 paladin in full epics, doesn't mean you know how to play one well"

Anyways, I'm a console gamer + mmo player + warhammer painter/player + anime fan. What does that make me? Doomed?

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Originally Posted by captainpicard

As a result of the recent announced changes to the leve system, I have concluded that this change was made specifically to cater to the console system audience. Why? Because console players in my view, have a different mentality than PC MMOers. Most people I personally know that play console games, don't sit down and play them for long periods of time. Couple of hours, couple of hours there. The changes to the system support a solocentric, login, have something to do, logout mentality. One where you never have to really "get involved" with the persistent world.

Its unfortunate.

I would love to see a FF MMO title developed solely with a PC MMO audience in mind. My guess is the end result would be a much better game.

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Going all the way back to the beginning of this thread, I really do not see how the changes to guildleves "cater" to console players vs PC players.

The PS3 may have had an impact on ORIGINAL design decisions for the game, but since then, I think there has been no influence.

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Going all the way back to the beginning of this thread, I really do not see how the changes to guildleves "cater" to console players vs PC players.

The PS3 may have had an impact on ORIGINAL design decisions for the game, but since then, I think there has been no influence.

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The OP seemed to think less leves but faster resets would be better suited to a PS3 player rather than doing them all at once like we do now. They got this delusion that the whole 4 leves > 12 hours was because of the PS3.

The ps3, in my opinion will be the saving grace of this game, or atleast I hope it will be.

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

The ps3, in my opinion will be the saving grace of this game, or atleast I hope it will be.

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Nah. Chocobo Breeder (b'.')b

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

The OP seemed to think less leves but faster resets would be better suited to a PS3 player rather than doing them all at once like we do now. They got this delusion that the whole 4 leves > 12 hours was because of the PS3.

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The OP is amused by this. The OP thinks that the latest and greatest changes made to the leve system will kill the economy of the game, pretty much decimate any small opportunity there was in crafting for profit, as well as decimate whatever economy was left in selling materials.

Now you say well, there are actually less leve's available now, but the reality is, not everyone logged in and always did their leve's. I know I haven't done any since well, the better part of 8 months.

So for the majority of players, I would say this change = more leve's.

Since the game is well, in a 'transitional period' and not all of us play it every day, or even every week, I predict the following will occur:

When people do login, who routinely find themselves wondering what it is exactly they are suppose to be doing, and often that conundrum ends with "I guess I'll craft for a while" they will have an enormous amount of saved up leve's to plow through, gaining free shards and free mats from the system to level their crafts for the leve's, as well as some small reward mat as well. This removes the incentive to A) farm and B) purchase mats from the markets when you can just wait until your leve's build up again.

This creates even less incentive to leave town than there is now.

This creates a market that is even more deflated and stagnant than the existing one.

This gives someone who hasn't logged in in 12 days, 99 other things to do besides play with other players.

I believe this change was made to support the casual player. Since there isn't much content, and battle and other things in general still 'need a lot of work', this will at least give someone who does actually login something to do, for free, without having to earn materials or shards. This is effectively a sort of pseudo content addition, even though its not really new content.

Regardless of the vocal minority in this thread, I still stand by the fact that most people that bought this game, as it stands today, for a console, would play it casually at best, and at worst, not at all. This change will allow them to occasionally login and piddle around with crafting for free.

I predict it will further damage the already bad economy rendering crafting for profit (or repairing for profit) as well as selling materials obsolete. I also predict it will further remove players from the battlefield and or party based play. Thus, effectively killing any real group / community outside of the occasional instanced dungeon raid, which is available in 100 other games.

We'll see if I am right within a few months of the change.

I would also reiterate that if you think the developers care at all about the PC audience, then you are sorely mistaken. You are just their test case. As someone else posted, PC games account for a very small portion of the gaming demographic. So there can be no alternative conclusion that this change was made in the interest of the console audience, not in the interest of the PC audience.

For those who continue to say PC gamers and Console gamers are no different, I would just respond that although there are many people who play both, I think we all know what I mean by PC gamer-and that is a different audience. If you cannot acknowledge that, then you are just being obtuse to be obtuse.