Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

The only thing I can think of that's draining aether from the land is either: Zodiark, Omega....maybe dragons

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Originally Posted by myahele

The only thing I can think of that's draining aether from the land is either: Zodiark, Omega....maybe dragons

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Or possibly Hydaelyn herself, which might explain her sudden return (popular theory was that she was drained of aether after shielding us from Ultima). But yes it could be any of those things, just found it odd that they highlighted it to us and then never actually went anywhere with it. I assume it's setting something up for 3.0.

That ending...THAT ENDING. I AM SO EXCITE FOR HEAVENSWARD! Such suspense, betrayal, loss, excitement, action, and a whole lot of SQUEEE! This is the greatest finale I've seen for an expansion. SE, this is the sort of thing I want to see lots of in Heavensward, this was too good, especially the credits roll with "Answers" playing, nice touch on that.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

We held on to vial to show Momodi, who in turn told us to keep it for now.

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Momodi betrayed us!

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It kind of bugs me that now we have a 3 month cliffhanger and now there are a lot more questions then answers.

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I think it should bug you more that you can still travel to ul'dah and mor dhona

I was half expecting a (new)trailer for Heavensward to show up after ending.

Urianger kinda surprised me, although alot of people thought a long time ago that he was secretly working with the asciens. I don't think he's a traitor. As far as I know he was the closest to Loisioux's right hand compared to the other scions. I think he also somehow had a prophecy (and still do) regarding the calamity in 1.0

I can see him at least speak with Elidibus to learn more about the echo, nature or primals and what the asciens goal may be.

Estinien actually is a huge gaping plot hole in this patch if you've finished the DRG job questline. He's apparently back to part of the Ishgardian forces again and being an Azure Dragoon, and even references the conclusion of the final job quest... but then if you talk to Alberic then he says that Estinien is still missing and that the post of the Azure Dragoon is vacant. Not to mention the... repercussions if it got around that Estinien decided to give into the dragons.
Make up your mind SE! :P

I have a serious recomendation to those who have finished: Return to Uldah, talk to the npcs that train you, Swift, and the few npcs scattered about that don't have much purpose normally. There is a little extra information that both explains why you can still go there, and the current post-credits situation.

This is of course fairly common for MSQ areas, but... Not all that many people seem to notice that the NPCs remember you.

Oh my god...

I for one would like to know where the sultan sworn wer during all of this why did the captain not have any of his most trusted within reach of her I mean for crying out loud he says she's just ill sick.....wait a min could she be its not like we took her pulse and there are drugs that can lower your heart rate enough and knock you out to appear in a death like state. For all we know there's a secret treasure that only Nanamo knows where it is.

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Originally Posted by Raeletta

I have a serious recomendation to those who have finished: Return to Uldah, talk to the npcs that train you, Swift, and the few npcs scattered about that don't have much purpose normally. There is a little extra information that both explains why you can still go there, and the current post-credits situation.

This is of course fairly common for MSQ areas, but... Not all that many people seem to notice that the NPCs remember you.

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Very interesting indeed. It does indeed explain a bit.

All of my opinions!

1) There were ample hints that she'd be stepping down, and ample hints that the monetarists wanted her dead. Yet, her eyes going wide when she drank from that cup... still got me. All of that said... Nanamo looked pretty dead, but we don't know this for absolute sure. Maybe she was poisoned to knock her out, similar to whatever drug is used in Romeo and Juliet (remember that story)? My initial thought was not that she was still alive, and I'm not even really 'hoping' for it (in fact, I'd be pretty mad if they didn't commit to her death)... but it would line up with the fact that they wouldn't let anyone see her. Also, there are hints toward a 'bigger plot'. Maybe she's still alive and will serve another purpose.

2) Hell yeah, Raubahn. Love it, love it, love it. I loved his reaction, and I'm surprised it took him that long to flip out... given the situation. I'm sad he's in jail, and that he lost his arm... he already has so many battle scars. But, at least he's not dead!

3) I'm also bothered by the PC's lack of action or input. Being tossed to the ground can be explained by the loss of the blessing of light, but you'd think we'd still TRY to help. All those times they show the scions 'teaming up' and doing a limit-break type animation... we could have easily participated. It wouldn't have been too hard to come up with animations for each class. Simply raising our weapon, like you do when you are using limit break in a party, would have at least made us seem like we were doing something. Speaking of all of this, our character is generally pretty lackluster about everything. Besides fights, we simply 'nod' and run in cutscenes. It's implied we explain things, sometimes, but we don't have many opinions besides agreeing to whatever we're asked to do. We're like obedient, thoughtless soldiers.

4) I'm also bothered by the lack of 'change' in Ul'Dah. They make a huuuuuge deal out of what just happened, and escaping, and not being able to go back. Yet, there really isn't much that's changed about the areas. I would have guessed at least some areas would have been instanced, and periodic battles or just general chaos (to set the mood) would have made sense. I understand NPCs give an 'explanation' for why you aren't chased down... but you'd think there would be more chaos.

5) Bringing back ANOTHER teaser regarding the Ascians made it kind of stale for me. I was hoping they'd wrap up the Ascian storyline in ARR, but I guess not. For a while, it felt like it was generally going in that direction, in addition to transitioning to Heavensward.

6) A LOT OF QUESTIONS are left unanswered. I understand that they want there to be a lot of cliffhangers, but I feel like I'm overwhelmed with them. Like, the fate of basically every Scion? How did the battles end? And what is the 'deeper plot' everyone keeps mentioning? Why is Raubahn alive and not dead? How was he captured after that rampage? He didn't seem to have any other injuries... besides the lost arm.

7) I didn't like how the end was basically a long, long movie. We had no input, no traveling, no small battles to even TRY to escape. I feel like more interaction may have been intended, but was removed. As a result, all of these cutscenes were thrust together, with no input from the PC. One of the things I noticed, that makes me suspicious of this, is the fact that some of the cutscenes lacked voiceacting... but ONLY a few. As in, those cutscenes felt like they were thrown in later to act as a transition between other cutscenes, because user interaction was removed. The PC is a warrior of light; they make choices, and do things. The lack of control was maddening.

8) I don't want to seem like I'm trashing the story too much. I really enjoyed the thought that was put into it. The cutscenes and animations were amazing. I definitely became emotional over it. A lot of effort was clearly put into this, and I think it is a WONDERFUL transition to Heavensward. Very few MMOs make such a clean transition from one 'expansion' to another. I feel satisfied with the ending. I just wish there was more closure. I understand there needs to be cliffhangers... but when EVERYTHING is a cliffhanger and we're forced to wait basically three months to find out?

Well...

I know I screamed "NO!" at Nanamo and then being stuck on a feel train. I had no idea they had the balls to go through with it. They did it. They really did it. I was impressed. But did no one caught the strangely evil smile from Tataru at all? Because I don't trust her either.

Also, so everyone can have nightmares. Here's a screenshot to carry away that captures that one scene in full.

http://i.imgur.com/ICspYvY.png

inb4 Raubahn gets a mechanical arm and is leader of machinist guild!

Kinda confused. Was that vial we found used as evidence against us?

Or could've been very sneeky way for Alianne and co. to hide the antidote to give to an unconscious Sultana. Such a thing has been used in many stories.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Urianger kinda surprised me, although alot of people thought a long time ago that he was secretly working with the asciens. I don't think he's a traitor. As far as I know he was the closest to Loisioux's right hand compared to the other scions. I think he also somehow had a prophecy (and still do) regarding the calamity in 1.0

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The way they addressed each other it seemed like a meeting of enemy factions for negotiation or something. Not some kind of secret cooperative thing.

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Originally Posted by Cetan

Estinien actually is a huge gaping plot hole in this patch if you've finished the DRG job questline. He's apparently back to part of the Ishgardian forces again and being an Azure Dragoon, and even references the conclusion of the final job quest... but then if you talk to Alberic then he says that Estinien is still missing and that the post of the Azure Dragoon is vacant. Not to mention the... repercussions if it got around that Estinien decided to give into the dragons.
Make up your mind SE! :P

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Remember that Alberic kept the theft a secret. Estinien's actions and dialog appears to be in-line with what you experience in the Dragoon quests..I just did them last week :p
The only real issue is that Alberic's dialog didn't get updated.

Last Cutscene talk, viewer bewares!

The entire time Teledji spoke I was just saying in my head "Just kill him, just him now dammit!"
Also in those last escape sequences I really wanted at least the option to say "But I took down a Dragonlord!"
And I wish Yugiri left her mask on.
Finally, I wish we could've gotten a cool reward for completing the storyline...

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Originally Posted by myahele

Kinda confused. Was that vial we found used as evidence against us?

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The vial was all-but-empty: the poisoner's equivalent of a smoking gun. Even if the person holding the gun almost never actually did it in most mystery novels, detaining them is still standard protocol.

I think they pulled the frame-job off pretty well, actually. In slightly different circumstances, the traces left in the bottle could have been useful evidence, so you couldn't just toss it. All the perps really needed to do was forge some kind of verifiable connection between the WoL and the vial, and that was accomplished by the staged callout. After the meeting with Momodi, who was probably under surveillance, anything that happened to the vial could be traced back to the WoL.

I must admit I was a little unimpressed with Yugiri's face, She wasnt what I'd call pretty. And it seems she's still using the Miqote models? That walk looked very Miqote

The politics were really annoying.

I hated how Alphinaud pretty much said that everything is going according to his plan. and that for those who won't listed to him he can always call upon "his warrior of light" to convince them.

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Originally Posted by myahele

The politics were really annoying.

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I find politics to be annoying in general myself. o/

... *Stares at your sig to get mind off of politics*

More cutscene talk:

Eh I didn't mind the politics, the biggest thing that I DID mind was that just moments before I killed a MASSIVE DRAGON using all kinds of spectacular abilities at my disposal...but I could not manage to free myself from having my hands tied.

Not to mention...why didn't Palapymo(sp?) just drop the gate when they were on the other side...effectively cutting off the guards AND being able to escape. >.>

With the whole Estinien thing, I'm pretty excited because I'm sure he is still bat-@#$% crazy and up to no good, making trouble in the Ishgardian neighborhood, a plot point which they will move farther with in the expansion hopefully.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

More cutscene talk:

With the whole Estinien thing, I'm pretty excited because I'm sure he is still bat-@#$% crazy and up to no good, making trouble in the Ishgardian neighborhood, a plot point which they will move farther with in the expansion hopefully.

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ha! I see what you did there XD

I am most curious to know what exactly Hydaelyn said to Minfillia. Seeing as we can no longer hear Hydaelyn.
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that and maybe we'll get to see more of Yda's face next time... Ya know, barring that she didn't die :P

@Y'Shtola - Oh we've got a badass in here! Everyone look out!

I HATE ALL OF YOU AND EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR KILLING NANAMO! GO TOWQEKRJKDSFJ9021SA]
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ASDASDKLASDJK[SAA
sQSKLSFKLASDLKASD
ASDAKSLDLK;AS PEANUTS! AND BUTTERED TOAST....POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AHHH!!! -Bangs head on the wall;
NO! Omg...I'm crying for real guys...ugh, I was like SO hoping Nanamo and Rauhbabab would be a cutey
couple and marry someday! YOU KILLED ME SE! KILLED ME!!! Ugh...I'm so mad!
http://media.giphy.com/media/4ICdn45oSs5lm/giphy.gif

Okay I'm good. That's all I've seen so far...and yes before anyone asks, I'm mad. :eek:

I was thinking about the rp implications of this plotline, given that I totally headcanon that my character and Minfilia are a thing.

And then my brain was like "empty chairs and empty tables" and I was like "thanks, brain, I really needed that. Not."

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

I HATE ALL OF YOU AND EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR KILLING NANAMO! GO TOWQEKRJKDSFJ9021SA]
D
ASDASDKLASDJK[SAA
sQSKLSFKLASDLKASD
ASDAKSLDLK;AS PEANUTS! AND BUTTERED TOAST....POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AHHH!!! -Bangs head on the wall;
NO! Omg...I'm crying for real guys...ugh, I was like SO hoping Nanamo and Rauhbabab would be a cutey
couple and marry someday! YOU KILLED ME SE! KILLED ME!!! Ugh...I'm so mad!
http://media.giphy.com/media/4ICdn45oSs5lm/giphy.gif

Okay I'm good. That's all I've seen so far...and yes before anyone asks, I'm mad. :eek:

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This is exactly how I feel!

So has no one else asked?

Can someone provide some pics of Yda with her mask chipped?

Stuff about Raubahn:

I wonder...despite all his rage, Raubahn is still just locked in a cage. (SeewhutIdidthur?)

Seriously though, he was pretty 'rage' filled and Dark Knights tend to be in that same vein, I wonder if he will become a Dark Knight and teach us those ways?

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Originally Posted by Freyt

So has no one else asked?

Can someone provide some pics of Yda with her mask chipped?

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Yda pics:

http://i.imgur.com/t6mlixT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2op6RZl.jpg

Can anyone confirm that Jenlyns says this once you complete the MSQ?:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/8a9383bc...4j7jo1_540.png
I cannot see this when I speak to him, I guess as I don't have pally to 50? Or it's fake? I hope it's not of course, but I'm not sure at all as I haven't heard anyone else mention it.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

So has no one else asked?

Can someone provide some pics of Yda with her mask chipped?

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http://i.imgur.com/DMttv3S.png

With a look at that one eye though, it's easy to tell that she has a pretty face. :3 Yda waifu 4 lyf!!

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Originally Posted by Cedane

http://i.imgur.com/ICspYvY.png

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When he was talking all I could think was... can we kill him now already? Please... pretty please... and then it happens.

I could see Raubahn as a dark knight trainer. Kinda get the feeling the aura is more than just for effect.

And I never really like Ul'dah... now atleast I have a better reason to keep avoiding it.

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Originally Posted by Keydah

Can anyone confirm that Jenlyns says this once you complete the MSQ?:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/8a9383bc...4j7jo1_540.png
I cannot see this when I speak to him, I guess as I don't have pally to 50? Or it's fake? I hope it's not of course, but I'm not sure at all as I haven't heard anyone else mention it.

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I can confirm it, he does say it. Which means either lies are being fed to the people that she's ill, or that she still lives (PLEASE let it be this).

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Originally Posted by Keydah

Yda pics:

http://i.imgur.com/t6mlixT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2op6RZl.jpg

Can anyone confirm that Jenlyns says this once you complete the MSQ?:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/8a9383bc...4j7jo1_540.png
I cannot see this when I speak to him, I guess as I don't have pally to 50? Or it's fake? I hope it's not of course, but I'm not sure at all as I haven't heard anyone else mention it.

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I can confirm, but....

along with other flavour text from around uldah, that appears to be the "public view" of what has happened, I.E everyone who was not in the room, was told that.

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Originally Posted by Keydah

Can anyone confirm that Jenlyns says this once you complete the MSQ?:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/8a9383bc...4j7jo1_540.png
I cannot see this when I speak to him, I guess as I don't have pally to 50? Or it's fake? I hope it's not of course, but I'm not sure at all as I haven't heard anyone else mention it.

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The entire deal after finishing MSQ is that the Monetarists/Brass Blades are keeping everything under wraps to avoid civil war or a war of succession. So they spread lies about her being sick and that the hero made an attempt on her life or something.

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Originally Posted by Eisenhower

The entire deal after finishing MSQ is that the Monetarists/Brass Blades are keeping everything under wraps to avoid civil war or a war of succession. So they spread lies about her being sick and that the hero made an attempt on her life or something.

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Yeah, I was figuring that was the most likely. Makes sense...I still want to have a little bit of hope though. :<

The entire MSQ reeked of foreshadowing, I was expecting things to go down but my GOD, i did not expect things to escalate that fast!

In my PoV, starting at Uldah, and how Nanamo referrenced that first encounter and how she wished to continue that friendship, made my "omgshegunnadai" sensors go bright red, and how much I wanted to be wrong bout that.

This wasnt like Moenbryda, I had no time establish a liking, even though I did like the Warrior Scholar thing she had going. Nanamo was there since day 1 I started. I was looking forward to the change she was bringing, and she had to poof at the last moment D;

The alleged big bad we were expecting to be Teleji got DESTROYED, FATALITIED, EVISCERATED, and omg, the Fury of a Hero is without equal.

The whole ending scenes were awesome, cant wait for Heavensward, great job SE and Yoshi-P

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/350...orrrrrrr-o.gif
Noooooo! Nanamo! ;_;

I was so sad..

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Originally Posted by Eisenhower

The entire deal after finishing MSQ is that the Monetarists/Brass Blades are keeping everything under wraps to avoid civil war or a war of succession. So they spread lies about her being sick and that the hero made an attempt on her life or something.

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Something they should know won't work, by now we've helped so many people that the public thinks we can do no wrong.

Talk to Ul'dah Guildmasters and trainers, and you'll find all of them believe in you or were told by people you didn't do it. Talk to the Immortal Flames guy (Swift) and he outright mentions they know you didn't do it, and they'll be quietly planning for a counterattack in the future. Leave it to the villains to try to frame a legendary hero.

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/350...orrrrrrr-o.gif
Noooooo! Nanamo! ;_;

I was so sad..

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Yda has purple eye shadow!

The best spoiler here!

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OH GOD NOT YDA AND PAPALYMO!
PLEASE! STOP!

This was the BEST storyline in this entire game. I really am happy and sad...
with SE's direction. Here's to 3.0! ALSO DAT YUGIRI IS GOD DAMN GORGEOUS OMG!

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Originally Posted by Branwen

Was I the only person disappointed with the lack of the player characters agency within these cut scenes?

There's several points where it honestly feels like the PC who by this point has stopped several foes was treated as, well, inconsequential. ...

I just slayed a dragon, how much are these guards being paid to fight me? I feel it just leaves several mixed messages in terms of the character's status in the world.

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I was playing WHM. "Are you serious?!

You're going to let the sultana die from poisoning in front of a WHM? And then you're going to ignore the part where the lady in waiting serves the drinks and not the hero? And then conveniently half the Crystal Braves follow your suit? And then the Warrior of Light can't handle a dozen rass Blades like they have been doing for over 70 ilevels now? Yda and Paps I get, Yshtola and Thancred was a long stretch. But then Milfillia...

I was thinking did the dragon sap all my powers again?