The random rule is not okay

dont waste your time guys. pointless in this case.

I kept hearing about horrible drop rates on difficult card battles in this expansion, so I put off doing it until this weekend. And in that time, I got most of the cards available. So reading through this thread, I just figured people were being whiny. Yeah the fights weren't easy, and the grind was frustrating and unnecessarily long. But they were always like that. And they weren't too horrible compared to the ARR cards.
Then I got to Matoya.

I've been doing matches against Midnight Dew for an entire day. She has incredibly strong cards, requiring you to draw strong cards too. But of course, you can't pick your best cards. So I'm winning maybe a quarter of my matches, maybe less, and the match is decided the instant the game starts. And my luck is all used up. I've won a hundred matches against her, with no card drop. Because of her I have the Vaan card (and so occasionally have to look at his dumb face occasionally as I play Midnight).

And then there's her win quote. She's telling me that I need more card to beat her. In the mean time, I have all her cards, except for the one that I can only get by beating her. So she's insulting me by saying something that applies more to her than to me!

I don't get why I've spent as much time trying to get a fairly garbage card as I spent getting all my best cards in my deck combined.

because RNG is fun. please look forward to more of it on 3.1 npcs :)

Seriously, we've been using this system since the dawn of RPG video games. They weren't fun back then, and they aren't fun now.

edit: Finally got the card. I believe I had 130 roulette wins, not even close to getting Vaan, when I started hunting Matoya. When I got her, I had 430 wins. So that's 300 wins, and I believe I won about a quarter of my matches. So, 1200 matches for that card? Which I'll probably never use unless it's brought up by Random.

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Originally Posted by Zorafin

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Matoya is also my last HW card. Midnight Dew is ridiculous. My win rate is something like 30% against her on a good day, and then you have to deal with the horrible drop rate.

I feel your pain.

When I first started TT I grinded to 30k with a 2 star deck. At one point I had 59 cards, having never done TT tournaments for the easy Platinum packs. Odins Card seemed like the only NPC I had left to beat. So I challenged him. 50 matches later and only 3 wins I rage quit and spent all my MGP on TT Gold packs, which I had never bought before. I got only cards I had already had. ;-;

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I Rage Quit so hard I put my ps3 into my closet and watched anime for the rest of the night. >:C

Yeah, the Odin NPC is really annoying at first.

The AI isn't really good on him, though, compared to the newer HW Random NPCs. The reliable trick I found for him is to always play your weak cards with their weakest sides up rather than try to defend them. That way he will consistently flip them, but you can flip them right back with a card that's easier to defend.

It gave me about an 80% win rate with that.

Unfortunately, Midnight Dew doesn't really fall for this trick.

I spent a whole day playing Midnight Dew while in a fit of depression. I figured, I was depressed anyway, why not make it worse? Most miserable NPC I've played in a while. I know she's hardly the hardest, but with her almost always having Niddy+Middy, and thus always having an A up and down, she's just really miserable to play against with the Random rule. I beat her a few hundred times, still no card. Literally sat there for eight hours straight, winning ~60% of the games. I think I fell asleep a few times too. Sure, there is still strategy against the Random rule, but after the first hundred games or so, it's just muscle memory and boredom. With no forfeit option, when I had a full hand of one-star cards and no Reverse rule, I found myself several times just randomly playing cards until I won or lost.

Midnight Dew is not that bad compared to Tataru. At least against her you can choose when to play each card. You should be able to win quite a few games if you play your cards wisely unless you get really bad decks — which I know happens often. Best thing to do is to place your cards in a way that, if she flips them, you can always get them back, while also forcing her to leave her cards' weak sides open.

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Originally Posted by Scalizor

Midnight Dew is not that bad compared to Tataru. At least against her you can choose when to play each card. You should be able to win quite a few games if you play your cards wisely unless you get really bad decks — which I know happens often. Best thing to do is to place your cards in a way that, if she flips them, you can always get them back, while also forcing her to leave her cards' weak sides open.

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I find Tataru much easier to play against, honestly. Tataru tends to at least have one weakish card in her deck (her own). My experience also tells me her AI is a tad bit worse.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I find Tataru much easier to play against, honestly. Tataru tends to at least have one weakish card in her deck (her own). My experience also tells me her AI is a tad bit worse.

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I agree with the AI thing but the Chaos rule makes it much worse to farm — at least for me. My win rate against her is terribly low, about 20%, whereas my win rate against MD was quite higher. Not to mention the fact that she drops two cards with a really low drop rate; MD only drops one, once you get it you're done.

Or maybe I'm just really salty because I haven't seen either Firion or Lightning in 600+ wins and I'm sick of losing most of my games because of Chaos rule.

Must be that.

Why hasn't this been addressed?

Random and Chaos are absolute shite, and I can't imagine anyone that actually finds them fun.

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I agree with the AI thing but the Chaos rule makes it much worse to farm — at least for me. My win rate against her is terribly low, about 20%, whereas my win rate against MD was quite higher. Not to mention the fact that she drops two cards with a really low drop rate; MD only drops one, once you get it you're done.

Or maybe I'm just really salty because I haven't seen either Firion or Lightning in 600+ wins and I'm sick of losing most of my games because of Chaos rule.

Must be that.

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It honestly just feels like a really lazy way to make certain NPCs artificially difficult by introducing unnecessary RNG into the equation. And why?

To double or triple the amount of time you spend farming certain cards and to get another month of subscription out of you. /tinfoil off.

I cant even start playing cards with him he says "I see fire in your eyes, and though I would love to give you a good trouncing, I have duties to perform. Perhaps another time, friend." but I see others going up to him playing???

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Originally Posted by FrumboldtB

I cant even start playing cards with him he says "I see fire in your eyes, and though I would love to give you a good trouncing, I have duties to perform. Perhaps another time, friend." but I see others going up to him playing???

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So a lot of the info that you would find if you read this thread is out of date. Because the game is constantly evolving, its best to be wary of any info more then a year old. Landenel doesnt have the random rule anymore that this thread is complaining about. But your question seemed to be why you couldnt play him. Landenel is unlocked after completing the Main Story Quest "All Good Things", so i would guess that your level is decently ahead of your story completion.

The rule itself is solid enough. NPCs really should be forced to follow it as well. Maybe they could increase their available cards to use by 10-12 or something so it'd at least feel as if they are dealing with some random.