Parsers

How about no and instead you follow Doo's advise up above?
We were promised addon support long ago and it's still coming; so why not try and adapt to it, instead of trying to get everyone else to adapt to you?
I get that you want people to be nicer, (This isn't about parsers, that much is obvious to anyone who is seeing this clearly) but you have to be realistic. You're playing an online video game, with thousands of different people, from different backgrounds, different cultures, different approaches at life. You can't honestly hope to change all that and somehow adapt them to whatever imagine you have in your head.

This is why, if you scroll down to that "Rated T for Teen" icon, states "Online interactions not rated by the ESRB".
Because realistically, you can't rate that.

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

How about no and instead you follow Doo's advise up above?
We were promised addon support long ago and it's still coming; so why not try and adapt to it, instead of trying to get everyone else to adapt to you?
I get that you want people to be nicer, (This isn't about parsers, that much is obvious to anyone who is seeing this clearly) but you have to be realistic. You're playing an online video game, with thousands of different people, from different backgrounds, different cultures, different approaches at life. You can't honestly hope to change all that and somehow adapt them to whatever imagine you have in your head.

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Ok Ok how about I start every party and every thread on here by saying "HEYA ASSHOLES" because I think that's polite.

Whilst we have different backgrounds and cultures, we all have a very similar idea of being polite. we all know what can offend people in the current context. Would you walk up to anyone in the world, and say (in their language) "YOU SUCK FOR (insert random reason for sucking here)"

In all other MMOs I have played people don't say anything like "YOU SUCK", It's more like "Delsus your dps is lower than expected can you look at your rotations" Or "Delsus your gear isn't as good as it could be, you will perform much better if you get xxx gear." ARR might have been good for FFXIV in general (which I agree with) but we have gained a very toxic community as a downside.

Okay, since logic isn't working, let me give you an example.
If I was in your place, I would have simply either stepped out, studied the encounter and my class better and tried to improve.
Or I would have asked the person if they had any hints/tips.

See how different it would have been, instead of blaming a parser?

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Implies people are bad. Needs add-ons ;)

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Regardless of needing add-ons. literally 60% (Thats me being generous) of the player base is well... bad at this game. Add-ons will help keep track of things easier and weed out the bads.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Ok Ok how about I start every party and every thread on here by saying "HEYA ASSHOLES" because I think that's polite.

Whilst we have different backgrounds and cultures, we all have a very similar idea of being polite. we all know what can offend people in the current context. Would you walk up to anyone in the world, and say (in their language) "YOU SUCK FOR (insert random reason for sucking here)"

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Well the first part is blowing it out of proportion. However, I don't think everyone should be forced to be polite. Though I rarely do anything with pugs, outside selling them extreme clears, I typically will not say much in a random party except when I see something is going wrong.If the person didn't say they were new or learning I'll be like, "Let's pick up the DPS." or "RandomMNK you having some problems or something?" I do understand for melee learning a boss' rotation can hamper your dps, but hey if you are unfamiliar with something and don't want people to be rude; come out and say "I'm not very familiar with the fight but I'll do my best."

TLDR: If you expect people to be polite then be upfront about familiarity with the fight.

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Originally Posted by Balfreid

Regardless of needing add-ons. literally 60% (Thats me being generous) of the player base is well... bad at this game. Add-ons will help keep track of things easier and weed out the bads.

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I don't want to weed out bads though! They provide me with gil for content clears!

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Originally Posted by Mardel

I don't want to weed out bads though! They provide me with gil for content clears!

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Time to sell Leviathan EX runs in 2.2!

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Originally Posted by Balfreid

Time to sell Leviathan EX runs in 2.2!

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Lol ya. Gotta get gear first though so the backs don't break. Maybe if we are lucky we cam carry 2 people like on titan ex.

Delbutt, you don't have me to carry you through content anymore.

Did this really need a whole thread of "QQ someone called me bad"?

Man up, move on.

People still do Moogle?

It's been nerfed to hell, part of the story, and the easiest place to grab the strongest (Titan HM excluded) weapon you can get pre-relic, so yeah, people still do Moogle.

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Originally Posted by Araeya

And therein lies the problem. Why do people get so worked up about being 'bullied' over stupid, silly stuff? Where did the ability to shrug off the stupid shit go? Oh, yeah, it ran away screaming from all of this 'self-awareness' crap and all the trophies handed out to the kids who don't even try to win a game because it's supposed to just be fun.

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Why don't you ask this question to people who commited suicide due to constant bullying, be it in the RW or the internet? Oh wait, you can't they're dead.

I though parsing was against thenrules/bannable/whatever.?

Ether way...
Some of you talk about parsing to "weed out the bad players" so basically if a player sucks, you don't want them in your endgame. Ok, so you basically harass them by telling them they suck and kicking them out . Instead of teaching them. They don't learn end game, they get upset/bored/tired of people being Mean to them and quit. That costs SE money, because by parsing, and not keeping to yourself, or teaching how to better people, your driving off customers for their business. Which is why *i* belive they haven't and more than likely won't add or allow anything like that.

I dont think they should ever allow or add parsing or similar things to the game. Just as the game. If you come across someone bad, especially in DF, oh well. It's bound to happen.

I'd rather we keep the population of the game up, and help maintain it longer

It's simple really, just parse in private, see who are the ones dealing good dps, vote abandon, send a private msg to the good dps or add them to a linkshell. It's the harsh truth, but improving at the game is more individual responsibility than it is of the group.

Everyone started off new at this game. If you need to have complete strangers teach you how to play instead of figuring it out yourself or doing some research on your own, you'll forever be stuck in the "bad" category. If you can't do better, just make sure you don't qq about how bad other people are. If you're any good, people will notice.

There are people below the realm of teaching, and stays in the failing ditch.

Any program that is used within the game that isn't part of the game or issued by SE is technically a bannable offence period. No buts, or ifs.

Next time report them and I urge anyone else to report if someone is using a program to rate your game play.

The ones in the thread who use it that are giving you a bad time about it probably are the same type of people who judge others using a parser.

If more people reported these types they'd stop and think twice before abusing the parser.

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Originally Posted by Balfreid

Regardless of needing add-ons. literally 60% (Thats me being generous) of the player base is well... bad at this game. Add-ons will help keep track of things easier and weed out the bads.

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Try 80% of the player base are bad, and that's from the DPS group alone. Sadly, that's being real.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticDarkGriever

Try 80% of the player base are bad, and that's from the DPS group alone. Sadly, that's being real.

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Show me the actual census data to back that up if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise, keep that crazy talk to yourself.

The replies of some in this thread are EXACTLY why SE shouldn't want a parser anywhere near this game. And no, desiring civility in an MMO isn't anything close to a "Care Bear" attitude (what is with this pseudo-masculine mindset, anyway?). It's called being a civilized human being instead of fraternity-style meathead.

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

Next time report them and I urge anyone else to report if someone is using a program to rate your game play.
The ones in the thread who use it that are giving you a bad time about it probably are the same type of people who judge others using a parser.
If more people reported these types they'd stop and think twice before abusing the parser.

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You really think a parser is needed to judge a person's performance?
Almost anyone who's paying attention can judge a person's performance easily by looking at which spells they use and how much threat they generate (All of which is available in-game).
A parser simply makes it easier.

If 7 of your 8 party members are doing well and 1 is holding them back, it makes sense to analyze and see what it is the group and that person are doing wrong and then try to iron out the problems.
This is common sense and logic. Something almost everyone I see defending the OP here, has conveniently ignored/forgotten.

Third party mods are currently allowed to be used at your own discretion/for personal purposes and normally should not be used outside of your own personal use but if your group is open to addons and understands these things can more often than not help your group, there is no harm in using them. Even Yoshi himself noted this.

The problem emerges when someone with a dense mentality, unable and incapable of accepting criticism, is given some form of criticism.
Thus we have this and several other, similar threads.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticDarkGriever

Try 80% of the player base are bad, and that's from the DPS group alone. Sadly, that's being real.

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You do know 80% of "facts" are completely made up don't you?

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

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The problem emerges when someone with a dense mentality, unable and incapable of accepting criticism, is given some form of criticism.
Thus we have this and several other, similar threads.

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That's applying to yourself.

If you're going to do it, then getting caught is getting caught. No mater how you rationalize it, you're in the wrong, so when you're caught, eat it.

That's how parser club works. If you can't follow the rules, stop making yourself look like a good guy, because clearly you're not, by breaking the rules of parser club.

No one is telling you to stop using it, use it at your own risk, and your trap shut. <--- This is a very simply rule, why can't people follow it.

Except I don't use a parser myself.
If I did, it's unlikely I'd talk about it here, of all places. But I can still meassure a person's performance with in-game tools, as can you and just about anyone else.
My point stands, though. The OP's problem is with the person, not the third party tool. Said person could have still insulted/harassed the OP by looking at his positioning/ability pattern/threat generation, etc.

Given the way the mobs are constantly moving about in thornmarch, I'd be a little more understanding of a monk messing up rotation for whatever excuse they give, especially on the first try. There is other information that should have been taken into account as well, such as the level or skill of the other dps in the group. If they were bards or mages, they wouldn't have to worry as much about rotations getting messed up due to movement, etc. so they would have gotten more hits in, which would skew the results of percentages of total damage done.

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The first try of a single fight isn't nearly enough data to justify losing your cool and insulting someone over. This give credence to the idea that parsers can be used to harass people (misuse by people to blame/call someone out for a loss).

Yo there's a parser for ppl's IQ
It usually fluctuates during an instance with 8 ppl.
I suggest you download that to asses ppl's mentality before you badger on their game and life.
Also download a parser for skill level cuz thats important too.
Skill is thicker than gear, similar to how my cleric's boot is thicker than your butt, but a Roe's boot will always trump mine but tht is very unlikely!

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

That's how parser club works. If you can't follow the rules, stop making yourself look like a good guy, because clearly you're not, by breaking the rules of parser club.

No one is telling you to stop using it, use it at your own risk, and your trap shut.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a-qreb8w0I

So basically, we have a bunch of people who are unable to function in an easy game without the use of third party tools, and who whine about other people for not cheating to get ahead. Sounds like a typical MMO.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

So basically, we have a bunch of people who are unable to function in an easy game without the use of third party tools, and who whine about other people for not cheating to get ahead. Sounds like a typical MMO.

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I don't think you know what a parser is. Or what this thread is even about, for that matter.

Tell the person how he determined that you're doing bad dps. If he admits using a parser, screenshot it and report him. It is a bannable action if you're found guilty.

lol @ the witch hunt. pro tip folks, its not the parsers fault that people are bad and still fail at simple instances like king mog

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Originally Posted by alhandra

lol @ the witch hunt. pro tip folks, its not the parsers fault that people are bad and still fail at simple instances like king mog

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It's not the parser's fault for anything, it's your fault for breaking the rules of parser club. Stop acting high and mighty for failing worse then the people you're parsing. That's even stupider then parsing bad, when you can't even shut that trap and saying you're parsing.

What about parser club is not understood?

There's no witch hunt if there's actually a witch

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Originally Posted by skaterger

Why don't you ask this question to people who commited suicide due to constant bullying, be it in the RW or the internet? Oh wait, you can't they're dead.

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Frankly, if someone is capable of doing something as permanent as committing suicide (which, by the way isn't really appropriate for these forums, IMO) over something stupid someone said to them on the internet (or even IRL), they are most likely going to try it due to other difficulties later in life unless they get some serious help. Our society is raising a generation of people who are ill-equipped to deal with the serious difficulties (such as life-threatening illness, the loss of a child, being homeless, being assaulted, etc) they will possibly have to endure throughout their lifetimes. Is it right to treat someone poorly? No. But, is it the fault of the person running off at the mouth if the recipient decides they need to do something that drastic? No. We are all responsible for our own actions. The sad thing to me is that we have let our society get to the point where we even have terms like 'cyber-bullying' and that people are now so susceptible to overreaction to such small, insignificant things. Unless your physical well-being is being threatened or taken from you by force, shrug that shit off and move on. Thin skin is not conducive to the continuation of a species.

My god lol, this thread...

OP and his followers are funny.

We have a dps forum with many great players of each job. Most are willing to go to a great length to help you out, why not try to improve instead of crying about one of the few tools we got to test rotations and builds?

Alternatively few gills in the right pocket can get you twin kills plus screen shot with text chat saying you are the best player ever, some do offer customized messages.

The two things of advice I can give OP is #1 if someone says something in PT that is saying such as, "your dps is too low" just say, "how could you tell?" Half of the time I have seen people reply in chat "I'm Parsing." herp derp. Way to get yourself banned.
# 2 is by going to the dd forums/ and check out your rotation - after that why not make a learner party and when you feel comfortable with dd just get a group together. (Also practice your rotation on target dummies!)

This thread is blowing my mind. It's bullying now to call someone out on being sub-par? Bosses are bullies for firing you? Schools are bullies for failing you? Bar association for not making you a lawyer because you failed the exam? Just. Wow. Why are we not angry that rather than improve, players want to sweep it under the rug. I see some serious misplaced anger here. Instead of "Man my DPS was terrible, maybe I should improve and try again later" it's "BAN THAT GUY FOR MEASURING MY PERFORMANCE!" or making personal what is essentially a logical decision; there are 7 people here pulling their weight, and one that is not. I have a finite amount of time to play this game and would like to complete my objective. Remove the dead weight and finish. get over it, get better. It's entirely within your control if it happens again or not.

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Originally Posted by Cailae

This thread is blowing my mind. It's bullying now to call someone out on being sub-par? Bosses are bullies for firing you? Schools are bullies for failing you? Bar association for not making you a lawyer because you failed the exam? Just. Wow. Why are we not angry that rather than improve, players want to sweep it under the rug. I see som

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Don't get your so heated brother, most of the people in this thread don't actually know whats going on, they cannot understand simple things. One person actually thought parsing was cheating, lol'd pretty hard at that one.

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Originally Posted by Araeya

Frankly, if someone is capable of doing something as permanent as committing suicide (which, by the way isn't really appropriate for these forums, IMO) over something stupid someone said to them on the internet (or even IRL), they are most likely going to try it due to other difficulties later in life unless they get some serious help. Our society is raising a generation of people who are ill-equipped to deal with the serious difficulties (such as life-threatening illness, the loss of a child, being homeless, being assaulted, etc) they will possibly have to endure throughout their lifetimes. Is it right to treat someone poorly? No. But, is it the fault of the person running off at the mouth if the recipient decides they need to do something that drastic? No. We are all responsible for our own actions. The sad thing to me is that we have let our society get to the point where we even have terms like 'cyber-bullying' and that people are now so susceptible to overreaction to such small, insignificant things. Unless your physical well-being is being threatened or taken from you by force, shrug that shit off and move on. Thin skin is not conducive to the continuation of a species.

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You realize clinical depression, and to a larger extent mental illnesses is as debilitating an illness as cancer or HIV is right?

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topic...on/index.shtml

I know because I have suffered from it before. And where do people who are alienated from society retreat to? The anonymity of online gaming and the internet. I'm not saying that every player that plays ff14 is a nutcase but you have to admit there are some out there. If its an offense to kill another with a physical weapon, I don't see why a person should be absolved of all blame if the victim considers the bullying severe enough to take his or her own life, even if the offender did not directly pull the trigger. I sense a very strong case of double standards here.

Your theory of natural selection and evolution is well and good and I can't deny it brought us to where human society is today. But aren't there enough examples of these everyday as witnessed in violent crimes on a daily basis? The Ukraine turmoil, North Korea, the girl who killed herself after being raped in Pakistan. All these are power struggles caused by personal selfish desires and being inconsiderate towards the needs of others and realizing that they are just as flesh and blood as you are. You will probably argue that cyber bullying is a far cry from the aforementioned issues, but if we take your stand and allow it to fester, it will fuel far worse repercussions in the future.

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Originally Posted by Cailae

This thread is blowing my mind. It's bullying now to call someone out on being sub-par? Bosses are bullies for firing you? Schools are bullies for failing you? Bar association for not making you a lawyer because you failed the exam? Just. Wow. Why are we not angry that rather than improve, players want to sweep it under the rug. I see some serious misplaced anger here. Instead of "Man my DPS was terrible, maybe I should improve and try again later" it's "BAN THAT GUY FOR MEASURING MY PERFORMANCE!" or making personal what is essentially a logical decision; there are 7 people here pulling their weight, and one that is not. I have a finite amount of time to play this game and would like to complete my objective. Remove the dead weight and finish. get over it, get better. It's entirely within your control if it happens again or not.

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Just to be clear, I never stated that the OP was bullied. It was the other poster who first used the term "bullying" and I'm just responding as a separate issue on bullying. Personally I didn't feel that it was a big deal, but maybe trolling to me is just like "hey stop joking around and be serious now!".

Anyway, I'm going to take my leave from this thread and play the game. Reading what some people post can really increase your blood pressure.

OP, are you trolling? Just kidding! Please, please don't make a post about my douchebaggery!

But seriously, given:
1) We have no screenshot with what was actually said,
2) We have a biased version of only one side of what happened,
I don't see any thing wrong with what he did. If your damage was so bad on Moogle fight that someone felt the need to question your intentions, I would probably do the same. I may or may not run a parser, but when I can know for a fact that my straight VIT build WAR is outputting 25%+ more damage than an equally gear Zenith dps, I often have the same thoughts that healer did. It really sounds like the healer was taking the fight seriously for himself or someone he was helping, and thought you might be trying to ruin it for the others.

If Parsers are used in statics, they are fine. They can help to see who needs to improve most and if a class is available twice in your static, parsers give you a nice way of comparing yourself and taking the challenge in case you are behind your mate. Parsers are also nice to see if a new rotation works out in an instance.

Everything else is as far as my experiences go only a form of calling out and another method to blame somebody. You can't expect that others take the Game as serious as you do. Majority gives a crap about the best way to run a dungeon. They want to beat it and done. How it happened doesn't matter.

Last week I was in CT with my main char and in the first fights, I was always helping one of the other groups because we got our targets down quickly. In the Behemoth fight I got a call from work I had to accept. Not beeing able to concentrate anymore I died twice in that fight and barely made any damage. Directly after the fight, a guy from another alliance called me out lol.

Even after I told him that I sadly was brain afk due to a phone call, he continued to talk about me. That's exactly what I mean. He did not look at the other fight results which should have showed me at the first third of his parser list at least, no that one time fuckup because Real Life interrupted me was in his focus. I have yet to see a public run where a guy running a parser says "Player yyz, nice DPS". It is only used for the blame finger. People don't learn from such statements so SE's attitude about parsers is perfectly fine with me. If you use them in your fight club (which doesn't exist as we all know) nobody cares, if you put the blame on ppl in a public run using parser results, you can get in trouble for it.

I never said running a parser in itself was bullying. But in CT and primals I have seen many people bully and harass because someone was parsing low.

Yes, you can be bullied over the internet. Just because it's not face to face doesn't mean anything.