t2 got ninja nerfed?

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Originally Posted by Tyzeon

Just used Enrage method with whm and sch it worked just fine. I will say his pulse comes faster but that's about it, so dunno why people getting crip walked on by ADS now lol.

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iLvl , Healing tactics and DPS. I guess ppl get cooked because from what I see, ppl skimp on VIT. The Feels I get sometime when my Fairy have more HP then a Blm.

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Originally Posted by Tyzeon

Just used Enrage method with whm and sch it worked just fine. I will say his pulse comes faster but that's about it, so dunno why people getting crip walked on by ADS now lol.

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What ilvl are the healers and DPS?

My threads are doing ironman numbers and I don't need you anymore.

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Originally Posted by Tyzeon

Just used Enrage method with whm and sch it worked just fine. I will say his pulse comes faster but that's about it, so dunno why people getting crip walked on by ADS now lol.

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I bet what they did was extend the haste buff that is supposed to accompany the enrage. Only way you see that enrage normally is a when you go via Quarantine Node route, since otherwise the rot explodes on enrage and you wipe.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Considering Coil is getting added to DF in 2.2...

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have fun with that

Welp...I main a MNK, second a PLD/WAR, and leveled a SCH for enrage.

Time to get my SMN geared up for rot! lol

Also - Can't wait for a 4 WHM 4 WAR T2 kill vid!

I feel like people are being silly. From what people are saying it's still possible to do enrage it's just isn't as easy to do it compared to Rot. Most people's complaints about Enrage was that it was letting less skilled players through. Now it seems like you will have to be over-geared and maintain high DPS/Heal to do it. In essence, SE was telling the truth that Enrage is a viable strategy they just made it so it isn't the best strategy. Now parties will have to decide between the two strategies and more importantly, it still presents a challenge to pass.

As far as the scandal of not mentioning it in the patch notes, people are blowing it way out of proportion. The only real issue with not doing so, is the fact that we are trying to figure this out while SE can just end the debate by saying if they really did buff it or not.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

My PUGs didn't fail it, and if we have to suffer through kicking all the DRGs and MNKs out of the group again, so be it. You probably keep trying to bring three DRGs and have them psychically link to pass rot at the correct time, all while jugging four chainsaws and singing the Latvian national anthem. Again, it's party composition that matters, because you only have to pass once in the entire fight with 5 ranged jobs. After that, you sit in one spot and win. Most groups now have the DPS to club Ballast as well, leaving you with Gravity Lol and stack-negated rot. If you're an especially-lazy arse, you can just eat Piercing Laser every single time and not budge and inch for the rest of the fight.

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I guess I am right about the Range ONRY parties.

I was just reading gamewatch interview which Yoshida mentions T2 enrage

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――ちなみに、いま大迷宮バハムートの2層でボスを時間切れにして倒す方法がだんだん主流になってきていますが、ああいったトリッキーな攻略方法は許容範囲なのですか？

吉田氏：今のタイミングなら許容範囲ですね。あの攻略法が楽だとおっしゃるのであれば。よく考えるなあと思います（笑）。皆さんが想定していた装備よりも強くなっていらっしゃるために発生する攻略方法ですね。「大迷宮バハムート：邂逅編」の第3層までは、武器だけアイテムレベル90、あとはアイテムレベル70くらいで挑んでギリギリ勝てるように作りました。あそこまでオーバーパワーにHPもDPSも高くなり、ヒールも厚くなったら、エンレイジ（全滅攻撃）を無視するような、強引なクリアの仕方もあるだろうなと。

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Which translates to
"I heard in Turn 2 of coil you can defeat the boss by waiting until timer's up, is that kind of trick not considered cheating?"

To which Yoshida responds with
"At the moment this kind of trick is allowed as long as you feel that it's easy. Everyone's using higher gear to clear it that we originally thought. We made turns 1-2 to be "barely clearable" if people came in with level 90 weapons and level 70 (darklight) armor. If everyone's got overpowered gear, high HP and DPS, then clearing it the enrage method is viable."


So basically how I see it is "lol you guys think you can clear T2 enrage cause you got mad gears now? well we got mad damage now m9(^Д^)ﾌﾟｷﾞｬｰ" sigh. :(

Overpowered gear.... IN BEFORE all the iLvl90 ONRY T2 runs.

Just tried T2 enrage mode with 3 healers tonight (Thursday 20th February, POST 2.16 patch)

3 healers, as soon as he enraged he started doing 2k plus per hit per person. I got off a medica 2 then dead, 3 seconds later we wiped. Definitely been buffed.

Healers had over 4k hp to give you an indication of gear.

Well, I know some people who'll be complaining about this when they run it again next week. But frankly, I like this. I've never been one for taking the easy way out, so learning Rot oughta be fun.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Well, I know some people who'll be complaining about this when they run it again next week. But frankly, I like this. I've never been one for taking the easy way out, so learning Rot oughta be fun.

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Wait... you never cleared T2 the normal way before?

Personally I find T2 enrage better. Since it is more PUG friendly. <---- without the need of any voice commuincations.

Voice comms is almost a must for rot. Unless you guys are static since birth or a bunch if really good peeps that understand the flow of the game.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Overpowered gear.... IN BEFORE all the iLvl90 ONRY T2 runs.

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You say that like it's a bad thing. Coil is for the upper echelon of players, enrage should be a strat only available for players that are geared/skilled enough to farm it.

As long as you time your heals, it should be fine. have a sch obey selene and spam feyglow, spell speed eats etc.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Wait... you never cleared T2 the normal way before?

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Nope. I've only run Coil once on my main by making a first timers group, but some joker joined up and was at Snake without telling us (none of us knew about the checkpoint system, so that was unfortunate). It was late when we cleared it, so we didn't run T2, and this was before people discovered Enrage. On my alt, however, I started running Coil the last three weeks or so, but the only groups in PF are for Enrage. So yeah, I have never learned Rot.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Nope. I've only run Coil once on my main by making a first timers group, but some joker joined up and was at Snake without telling us (none of us knew about the checkpoint system, so that was unfortunate). It was late when we cleared it, so we didn't run T2, and this was before people discovered Enrage. On my alt, however, I started running Coil the last three weeks or so, but the only groups in PF are for Enrage. So yeah, I have never learned Rot.

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He probably thought you'd all want to skip trash.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

I guess I am right about the Range ONRY parties.

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That's what all T2 PUGs were pre-enrage. You only invite one mDPS (preferably DRG) for the LB. So it was, so will it be again.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

He probably thought you'd all want to skip trash.

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Yeah, that's what he said. Some of us were okay with it, others weren't, but meh. I've run through all of T1 on my alt now, and I don't see what the big deal is with the trash mobs. Heck, I kinda liked fighting ADS, haha! I guess I'm in the minority on that issue, but it was a fun fight.

I am glad they did this. Enrage method is a bit like cheating imo.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

You say that like it's a bad thing. Coil is for the upper echelon of players, enrage should be a strat only available for players that are geared/skilled enough to farm it.

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Not for me since I am still using penta meld Astral neck and Rosegold earrings. And a DL ring since I converted my quad meld Astral ring by accident.

Moreover, why make stuff only the top can do?

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

That's what all T2 PUGs were pre-enrage. You only invite one mDPS (preferably DRG) for the LB. So it was, so will it be again.

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Whao you are saying as if it is a good thing. I am lucky to have FC peeps bring me as MNK into T2 all those months ago and beat it. Other dps are struck sucking thumbs. While everyone just wanted range dps.

Remeber the cries saying the game is anti melee back those few mths?

In before agrument of ".....level xyz no melee dps jobs."

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Moreover, why make stuff only the top can do?

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Honestly it's nice to have the "medal" of Allagan gear to show that you did clear such a tough encounter. I know it's just a game, but it is a nice sentiment.(Maybe I just watch too much anime LOL) That's why I like how XIV does things, there's Coil for the top(which will eventually be nerfed for everyone else) but there is still an alternative source of high level gear for the not-so top (Myth gear). It's a nice compromise that promotes both hardcore and casual play.

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Originally Posted by Alipoprocks

I am glad they did this. Enrage method is a bit like cheating imo.

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Same feelings at first. Till the ease of getting it done with PUGs sets in.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Moreover, why make stuff only the top can do?

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so that people not at the top have something to aspire to??? i mean, if everyone could do everything with little to no effort, what would be the point in playing at all?

shouldnt the game have something to work for?

OK, so now that I think about it... SE is making it really HARDER to find tanks in this game.

OH, you want to tank T2? oh youre a WAR...sorry beat it. so unless you wanna double BRD or pray a MNK can time silence you cant double WAR tank.

I have both PLD and WAR...same as the other tank in my static...but we both prefer WAR. I kinda like tanking, just hate the idea that SE is telling me that the one that I prefer is not viable.

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Whao you are saying as if it is a good thing.

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It's not. That's why I never could take issue with enrage in the first place. The Quarantine route is so insanely abusive to players (4 nodes plus def buffs, Firestream, and holy-crap-HV-spam) and rot so punishing to melee jobs that the entire fight was always a middle finger to anyone who didn't roll BRD.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

So basically how I see it is "lol you guys think you can clear T2 enrage cause you got mad gears now? well we got mad damage now m9(^Д^)ﾌﾟｷﾞｬｰ" sigh. :(

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It's funny because in 2.2, everyone will have ilvl 110 gears and T2 enrage will become viable again.

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Originally Posted by Nash20

OK, so now that I think about it... SE is making it really HARDER to find tanks in this game.

OH, you want to tank T2? oh youre a WAR...sorry beat it. so unless you wanna double BRD or pray a MNK can time silence you cant double WAR tank.

I have both PLD and WAR...same as the other tank in my static...but we both prefer WAR. I kinda like tanking, just hate the idea that SE is telling me that the one that I prefer is not viable.

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Or just have your SCH in the silence rotation... There are a lot of options. Pal, Brd, Mnk, Sch. SE already said they did not want parties stacking the same class and then forced us not to with the limit break reduction.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

It's funny because in 2.2, everyone will have ilvl 110 gears and T2 enrage will become viable again.

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Which is why buffing it 1 month before the echo buff in 2.2 seems really weird & pointless.
Also if you have level 110 gears why would you even bother doing turns 1-5 if they drop inferior gear to what you are wearing! :P

so basically I just wasted my time reading though this forum there is nothing wrong with enrage method thanks for that

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Originally Posted by DannyNobuser

so basically I just wasted my time reading though this forum there is nothing wrong with enrage method thanks for that

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There's nothing "wrong" with it, but it's not the intended method. I always find it hilarious reading the PF write ups about T2 Enrage. "T2 Enrage Strat, know or be booted"

It's so ironic since the strategy basically implies you have no idea how to actually do the fight properly.

I'm happy to see T2 forcing players to resort back to passing rot. Rot was the unique "hot potato" mechanic that made the turn fun and challenging to overcome, and honestly, I felt like "enrage" was just a cheap way of getting loot (especially for groups that had never cleared turn 2 the "original" way). It just feels weird when you talk about running turn 2 and some newer players to coil don't even know what "rot" is...I always felt like turn 2 was the turn to stop people in their tracks because the skilled players who understood the mechanics of the turn and jobs would be able to clear it easily and those who didn't would fail.

I've done rot with many different kinds of parties/strats, be it 2 BRDs for silence, 1 BRD/1 PLD, and even 2 Melees for passing rot, and nothing in terms of party composition is impossible to do as long as you have 2 people to take turns silencing. I think people just complain too much about difficulty of content that is intended to be difficult.

I am actually excited that Turn 2 finally got "buffed...." it seems like it was kind of long overdue. I've been wanting to run allagan rot again, because I remember doing it months ago with much less gear (full DL) and having a lot of fun beating it because it was a challenge. I pug coil sometimes, and having all of the party finders doing Turn 2 the enrage method was really boring.

I think we'll be seeing a lot of players, (the ones who only know enrage as Turn 2), struggling because they didn't want to learn the mechanics. Watch some youtube videos or something, but really, it's not that difficult.

Since so many players have their main classes and many secondary classes geared so well, you can kill ADS pretty quickly now. You probably have enough time to take out 4 nodes if you wanted instead of 3 and still beat ADS before you run out of clicks.

I think the general anger of it stems not from the buff, but that they decided not to put it in the patch notes, or notify players. Not the classiest move. Game on.

So solid answer, is enrage still possible currently, yes or no?

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

So solid answer, is enrage still possible currently, yes or no?

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As far as I can tell, still possible, just need better players to pull it off.

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

So solid answer, is enrage still possible currently, yes or no?

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From what I have read pugs are simply resorting to 3 whm instead of the 2 whm 1 sch approach.

What I don't understand is why T2 has an enrage mode to begin with. If SE wants to buff it so that people don't resort to enrage tactics, it's indicating they don't want people to fight it through its enrage mode... so why is that mode even there to begin with then? Why not just do one of the usual insta-fail 9999 damage things a minute after the 0 click? Why give people the illusion/impression that such a thing is allowable and then ramp up the damage so it isn't? It's like they're saying "weeeell you still have a chance to win, but we really don't want you to do this, even though we're dangling it right in front of your face."

Not to mention this is another instance where you can't trust SE's word on anything, since they claimed just a short while ago that they had no plans to change it.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

As far as I can tell, still possible, just need better players to pull it off.

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Yes it is. You just need the gear/skill to support it now or the proper setup (3 whm). Reddit reports people still doing it with 2whm/1sch but with i90 gear on all the dps.