Would you be upset if the game went offline?

I've pressed Enter probably 10,000,000,000 times already, so no.

Most of us only pop in once in a while to talk to people. The game itself offers nothing of interest anymore. We only even do care as much as we do because of stubborn hope.

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Originally Posted by Luhy

I've pressed Enter probably 10,000,000,000 times already, so no.

Most of us only pop in once in a while to talk to people. The game itself offers nothing of interest anymore. We only even do care as much as we do because of stubborn hope.

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Surely you would just be served on the front page then?

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

You misunderstand, the OP means if they shut down the service until all the changes they want to make were in place, not if the gameplay went offline only.

EDIT: +1 for ShinChuck's signature

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lol his sig is basically slander. That topic was pretty damn pointless to anything because it's comparing apple to oranges and saying SE is trying to silence the argument. The thread also spiraled downhill which is why it got closed and deleted, basic moderation.

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Originally Posted by Punxsutawney

Wouldn't be mad , but it would serve absolutely no purpose to take it offline to fix.

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1. It would save operation costs for a game they're making zero profit on.
2. There is no 2.

It would serve the biggest benefit to them actually.

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Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra

I am all for them to take the servers down until the game is ready for release. Keep a beta test servers to get feedback and that is it.

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what do you think were doing now, prolonged beta testing. how would they fix the game if wernt bitching at them and telling them what parts we like/hate. You already see what they have done when left alone, hence FFXIV at launch.

I say take it down. Take the forums down as well. Do a player wipe and relaunch the game when its actually not a beta.

It "could" speed up development. Simply by not having to worry about all the people keeping the gear/stats/levels and having to tip toe around making any huge changes to the worthless armory system. Running the game means people are playing something that could change. And the developers have to tip toe around not making those people angry. So that does slow down development and may down right kill some ideas from ever being implemented.

Who cares if taking the servers down signals that the game failed... i think most people would agree that it failed a while ago.

And no one cares "Well if they do a player wipe i won't come back!".. You knew this was a beta when you first logged in, and even if you're slow you surely realized it after a week. Not to mention if you've had fun and have multiple r50's... you'd try the game again when it came back up. And besides, who cares if the small amount of players who are playing get pissy and don't come back if they launch a game that is actually good? Hell, those same people like kam keep saying "if you don't like it leave"... as the game dies from people doing just that.

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

It "could" speed up development. Simply by not having to worry about all the people keeping the gear/stats/levels and having to tip toe around making any huge changes to the worthless armory system. Running the game means people are playing something that could change. And the developers have to tip toe around not making those people angry. So that does slow down development and may down right kill some ideas from ever being implemented.

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I'm sorry but none of what you said is any different from any other MMO. Developers for other large MMOs do the same things while having the server online - aspects of the game are constantly updated. The ones on this forum advocating for taking the servers down are grasping at straws with no real thought put behind the idea.

No other MMO has had to completely redesign its world/combat/job system. Most at least have a general idea of what they are doing and made balance changes, unlike this game. Its still up in the air what changes are going to be made, which is ironic after 9 months.

Lets say they actually gave in and went to ffxi jobs/subjobs. All your r50 classes are gone. But they can't do that because everyone who has played will be butt hurt.

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Originally Posted by DoubleEcho

I'm sorry but none of what you said is any different from any other MMO. Developers for other large MMOs do the same things while having the server online - aspects of the game are constantly updated. The ones on this forum advocating for taking the servers down are grasping at straws with no real thought put behind the idea.

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This, or they think wasting 5syears of hard work on a numbered title in their series is something easy to do, as if 14 is a number people skip over in math and counting, a floor that doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

No other MMO has had to completely redesign its world/combat/job system. Most at least have a general idea of what they are doing and made balance changes, unlike this game. Its still up in the air what changes are going to be made, which is ironic after 9 months.

Lets say they actually gave in and went to ffxi jobs/subjobs. All your r50 classes are gone. But they can't do that because everyone who has played will be butt hurt.

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I have to dissagree with your top line. WoW has redesigned the whole world once (Cataclysm), Combat many times, and class system many times. The combat and class system there go together by way of changing, adding, and removing roles to and from each class. So FFXIV isn't the first, and probably wont be the last.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

as if 14 is a number people skip over in math and counting, a floor that doesn't exist.

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Well, there is a '4' in the title, so who knows... :P

Beta testing aside, there's not much of a reason to keep servers running atm. SE should pull an APB; close the servers and bring them back up when things are fixed and they've got a better plan.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

lol his sig is basically slander. That topic was pretty damn pointless to anything because it's comparing apple to oranges and saying SE is trying to silence the argument.

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Actually, I simply posted timelines, asked a question, and people were welcome to infer what they wanted from it. There was absolutely no "slander" in it (and the third and forth paragraphs under the Conclusion where added specifically to the blog post, meaning my own personal opinions never even appeared in the original topic outside of my joke about "one of *them*"). The timelines are entirely verifiable, and I even provided links.

You can argue that the timelines are "apples and oranges" (I disagree). You cannot, however, reasonably say it was "slander", which by definition is a false statement - those timelines were, again, entirely verifiable, therefore not "slander".

Let's not use words if we don't know their definition.

If you like, I can post on the blog the full email from SE, who said flat out it was deleted because it was critical of and disparaging toward them.

I quite like them being up and being able to progressive your character, no matter how small. I did pay a lot of money for the game, afterall.

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Originally Posted by DoubleEcho

Haha wtf is this. You seriously think a developer would not be able to code because a server is up? You do realize that a developer's role is not server administration right?

If any dev had problems putting out code because of the fact the server was on and working they would not last long at all. The only increased work flow from having the server on is the fact that it's easier to find bugs when you have an active user base. How is that a problem?

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Ok how about the fact that it requires money (which is a resource) to keep these servers up , SE are not making money on this game in fact they are throwing it away at this point by keeping these servers up.

That extra money could be used to get more staff on the project and increased effort all across the board.

There is a good reason why closed beta's have a few days of play then a break in between.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Ok how about the fact that it requires money (which is a resource) to keep these servers up , SE are not making money on this game in fact they are throwing it away at this point by keeping these servers up.

That extra money could be used to get more staff on the project and increased effort all across the board.

There is a good reason why closed beta's have a few days of play then a break in between.

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They would be throwing CUSTOMERS away by taking the game offline. Paying 70$ for a game that goes down in less than a year hurts the trust peoplle will have in SE's games, with the ways things now. The worst is that FFXIV is a bad game, but that other SE products, especially the FF series, are good products.

Bringing down the game will generate bad publicity. A indelible mark in the franchise, and affect people buying other games in turn. This isn't some porting mishap with the numbers, this is the relationship to the people that they have provided products for many years. You can't fix that as easily.