Force PS3 players to migrate over to PS4 and then drop support for it

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Originally Posted by KogaDrake

does the OP realize that there are plenty o PC users with standard average PC (not gaming or top of line) who's game is essentially like running on PS3. you want PS3 support dropped because you think it holds the game back, it does not any more then wanting to hit casual market where many players do not have top end PCs.

PS3 support will not be dropped, but DX11/PS4 clients do not need to be (and from what I know will not be) restricted due to the PS3 and current PC client which will likely be used for people with low end PCs

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Well the sad part about that is that, even at it's lowest of the preselectable settings, it still looks 10x better then the PS3 version. I think the lowest setting is named something like "Low end laptop", though I'm not sure if it can be tweaked to be even lower then that, it's not something I've really messed with because I've had no need too.

Edit: That's the lowest I could go in the ingame settings and it still looks worlds better then the PS3 (pic below)

http://i.imgur.com/xzxCSL8.jpg

Did not read all the stuff , But you do know that when PS4 will come out, they will have two different clients one direct 11 for pc and PS4 and the Ps3 will be on a different client.

So they can update what they need to and they can let the ps3 version die a slow death, While the other client with direct 11 will be getting updates when the time comes and no longer a excuse on memory or stuff or till ffxiv ran it course.

They learn there lesson on the PS2 with FF11 and ham strung the pc and xbox version of FF11 on a emulation software. There will be a time were PS3 versions will no longer get updates or expansions if they do it right.

Most PC's on the new client will have no problem getting it to work , remember the PS3 is tech wise like 10 years old. Odd person having a 10 year CPU be crazy. How would you even be able to load a internet page anymore.

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Originally Posted by Vanidin

You play on an imported japanese version... what does that prove other than you belong to a very small minority that understands enough japanese to do so? The majority of players couldn't do that... and I don't honestly understand why anyone would play on ps2 when basically any pc sold in the last few years could run that game very well.

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It proves that you can indeed play on ps2 should you be wanting to and that while the expansion was only available in Japan nothing stops you from importing it. The game is still supported outside Japan for ps2 users it's just not as convinient. Also I play on ps2 for XI because I want to I really don't need any reason more than that, also the music is rather noticeably different and IMO significantly better on the ps2 due to the use of different formats. Also if you are dedicated and know homebrew for ps2 (fmcb) you can actually play seekers in English on ps2.

I seriously bust out laughing when it said "move faster than ever imagined" then shows an elvaan f running through bastok at what looks like a normal pace.

You people can find million reasons to defend the PS3 but... will you admit that the PS3 version is holding the game back?

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Originally Posted by Evangela

You people can find million reasons to defend the PS3 but... will you admit that the PS3 version is holding the game back?

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Let me put it to you this way.

We will never truly know for sure what Yoshi-P pitched to SE to get them to greenlight a reboot of the game, but for SE to even consider doing something so absolutely unprecedented Yoshi will have had to have a pretty remarkable sales pitch to show SE how they could recoup their investment. I am 99.9% sure that one of his best cards to play would have been that Final Fantasy XIV would not be scalable to the PS3 in its current form and a key incentive in remaking this game is to widen the potential user base to a further 45-50 million PS3 users (I believe it would have been around they figure at the time) aswell as people with low-mid end PC's which count for millions more. (...cont)

...(cont) Final Fantasy is synonymous with Playstation for many people, and in Japan alone having this game on a console boosts its chances of success dramatically (they aren't very PC oriented). I'm not saying this was the sole reason for the reboot, but I would be shocked if it didn't play a vital role in their decision.

In short, Final Fantasy XIV 1.0 was not sustainable and there's a very good chance that without the opportunity to port the game to the PS3 the reboot might never have happened at all. There is a good chance you would now be playing either a F2P FFXIV or nothing at all because they pulled the plug. So no, I do not think the PS3 version is holding the game back.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

Fact is, the PS3 version has permanent fps issues, while looking bad and skipping animation frames. Sure, it is on purpose, because the system is weak, but that doesn't change the facts.

You called a guy who said that the PS3 version has fps issues a liar and everyone who thinks it has issues an idiot even though he stated a fact. Your backpaddling is quite hilarious to see.

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That isn't backpaddling.... Its backpedaling btw... its the fact that it isn't an issue if the PS3 is supposed to play at that frame rate. It also has no effect at all on your client... NONE ZERO!!!!

The PS3 version does not have fps issues.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

You people can find million reasons to defend the PS3 but... will you admit that the PS3 version is holding the game back?

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In only one sense, a technical sense. It is in fact driving success because, particularly in japan, having a PC only game gimps your sales, console ports reach out to more customers and this can only help the game.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

That isn't backpaddling.... Its backpedaling btw... its the fact that it isn't an issue if the PS3 is supposed to play at that frame rate. It also has no effect at all on your client... NONE ZERO!!!!

The PS3 version does not have fps issues.

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/backpaddle

It is not supposed to play at 20 fps. It is unable to run without issues due to weak hardware.

If a game can't keep a steady 30 fps, it does, in fact, have fps issues.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/backpaddle

It is not supposed to play at 20 fps. It is unable to run without issues due to weak hardware.

If a game can't keep a steady 30 fps, it does, in fact, have fps issues.

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Sorry didn't know you where a troll. Go on.

EDIT: try again http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/backpedaling

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The PS3 is static hardware, and this MMO will likely run for more than 10 years. So anything they want to add 10 years from now will have to be able to run on PS3. So the size/quantity of content could end up being limited by it.

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That is not an issue with ps2 and nothing the PC has/does has anything to do with the ps2. If the ps2 can't do what they want they can change the models... Just like a graphic mod for any other game.

You people need to learn how programs actually work before spitting out BS all over the place. It smells and is rather offensive.

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Originally Posted by omniwaink

A bunch of ridiculous BS

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Um... get over yourself?

Graphics are the absolute lowest on my priorities list when I choose a game to play. I don't care if the game runs smoother on PC. I honestly could not care any less. It runs well enough for me. I have absolutely 0 intention of buying a $400 system simply to play one single video game. I have more important things to spend my money one these days.

Plus, people have complained about PS2 support on FFXI for over ten years now AND IT IS STILL SUPPORTED. It's not going to happen, so just deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Sorry didn't know you where a troll. Go on.

EDIT: try again http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/backpedaling

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The troll is calling others trolls, because he has nothing of value to say.

Classic.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

The troll is calling others trolls, because he has nothing of value to say.

Classic.

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Yes I troll by using facts that people can't argue with. Try again.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Yes I troll by using facts that people can't argue with. Try again.

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You have been spouting garbage and lies the whole thread, while dismissing actual facts presented to you.

I'd like to see your "facts".

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

You don't think people beat t5 on ps3... Are you dumb, stupid, or both?

If you don't like my gear talk to SE and tell them farming coil for months and getting 5 allagan drops is BS.

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First off, Whilst there's a lot of "word-of-mouth" claims of PS3 winning the fight, there's not a single PS3 PoV video depicting so, and these claims could very well just be PS3 white knight fan boys like you. Even that being said, it's not 100% impossible for a PS3 to beat twintania, since if the other 7 players in your party are competent enough, they can essentially carry you through it (I've already seen FC's selling TT wins/Drops on my server). Either way, I direct you to my last post, in which I said, beat it on PS3 (without dying/ being dead weight) and record it. It's as simple as that.

Second, while your gear is nothing to brag about, the point I was trying to make there was that you have one piece of gear from turn 4, which means, you have seen Twintania and clearly you can get up to him at the very least. That's why I made that proposal in the last post about you recording a PS3 kill.

And Mortucus if you have an issue with consoles, you probably should have found an MMO that was PC only. Not trying to sound rude, just i don't think SE will drop support for consoles ever. There are tons of MMO's for PC only players. The search shouldn't be too difficult.

i didnt say drop support i said give them their own servers like duco aka pc players on one server console players on another server

they both have different department's to develop them already just move them into separate server groups
this way pc players cant give out crap and console players get left alone buy the pc player no more blaming them for their troubles

i also stated the age of the tec its old buy any standards ps3 is just oldddddddddddd

if u love console which i used to until they dragged every penny they could out of the last gen then buy the ps4 and come up to date but dont bog down the rest of us with your tec from the early 2000s (never asked or promoted dumping support for ps3)

Jeez this post is so dumb ewww i think the PS3 ver is ugly i hate it so get rid of it waaaaa i wan't my wayyyyy frame rate issues? iv never had them the PC ver looks better sure and can run the game faster yes but the PS3 ver still looks very good and it's not like the PC ver is beating it out that bad. Only on the loading times but yea at some point i will get it on PS4 but not everyone has that sort of cash;)

One day S.E will drop support for the PS3..


That day will be glorious. Until that day rationalize all you want, for the PS3 is inevitably hamstringing FF 14's future.

They may drop support for PS3 one day, but I doubt it will be any time soon. Until then I'm happy to play on the PS3I build a new rig or somehow Nvidia magically gets another 5FPS boost through driver updates for the game on my laptop (yes I have it on both PC and PS3 versions, got the 1.0 CE a couple years back).

Yes, the PS3 does have certain limitations, mostly (if not all) hardware based, but FFXIV is optimized and tweaked up the wazoo so it can run on the system. Much of the issue is the amount of RAM the PS3 has, 2 unshared sets of RAM (256 for the CPU and 256 for the GPU). This is the main reason they had to give choppy framerates for NPC and other PC models on screen, as well as the lackluster draw distance and low draw count. It keeps the game running at a steady framerate, but it just looks choppier because they limited the frames other models move at. It certainly doesn't hold a candle to the PC version of the game graphically, I mean aside from shadows the lowest possible settings on PC still looks better than the PS3 version (I can run teh game on my laptop at about 20FPS in unpopulated areas at near lowest settings), but it still runs perfectly fine on PS3.


Also, others might have pointed this out but I'm saying it anyway: The whole "move faster than previously imagined!" thing for FFXI is a 25% movement speed increase if I recall. Had absolutely nothing to do with "PS2 limitations" (the hide certain armor parts did have to do with it though, again likely a RAM issue). Case and point: the Super Kupower that gave increased movement speed up to 25% without other movement buffs from skills like flee or chocobo jig, or equipment like the city state aketons or trotters boots. You ran quite slow in FFXI. And XI doesn't look like an N64 game >.> It actually looks great considering it came out in 2001 and is an MMO. It still holds up in my opinion, especially for not having any graphical updates.

Nah, SE should drop PC support and go back to having FF titles console-only. :p

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Originally Posted by Pofo

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Because people are willing to drop hundreds of dollars on recording shit, deal with HDCP work arounds just for a T5 kill.

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Originally Posted by Amiantos

Because people are willing to drop hundreds of dollars on recording shit, deal with HDCP work arounds just for a T5 kill.

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Don't even bother.

This whole thread was created with the idea that people must spend hundreds of dollars overnight because some players say so.

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Originally Posted by omniwaink

either the PS3 players need to have their own servers and dumbed down interface/graphics/versions of content, or SE needs to force them to migrate over to the PS4 and pull the plug on PS3 support once the next expansion hits.

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YOU can stop acting like you have smart ideas. Because if Square Enix had ideas like you, I wouldn't be playing, and they'd just be that much poorer.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

One day S.E will drop support for the PS3..


That day will be glorious. Until that day rationalize all you want, for the PS3 is inevitably hamstringing FF 14's future.

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It's really, really baffling how often PC players hold to this opinion. Especially when the game was literally catered around the limitations of the console.


Accessibility is paramount. More people who enjoy playing = more money = more successful. Square knows this, and that's why the game is the way it is now. That isn't changing as long as that stays true, and it's always going to stay true.

If I can afford PS4, I wouldn't bother to play this game at all.

Have a nice day. :)

the limitation of the ps3 (people can argue that they don't exist, but they exist) will hinder the game sooner or later. the memory have already had a huge impact on ARR, the fact that most of the city are cut in 2 come from this.

FF11 on the ps2 was still supported until recently, but do you remember all the item that did disappear from the database because of trouble of memory space?

on the long term they will do a version for the ps4/pc and then try to port this on ps3. it will invole money time and energy that can be spend on other stuff (especially since ps3 don't use the same language of programation than the ps4 and pc)

as the game will be more demanding in term of hardware the ps3 will hold the game... i do hope for the second expansion, they will drop the support of this consol, that already really old, and focus on hardware that will allows them more.

They'll probably drop support for the PS3 once the PS4 has a stronger foothold. Migrating to the PS4 from PS3 already removes your ability to play on PS3.

Then again, 1.0's hilarious graphical screwups was a huge starting wall for people trying to play the game.

I think everyone here is missing the point though. This is about multiple cross-platform support. Yes, ps3 graphics are inferior to PC etc etc, but ultimately this doesn't affect YOU. As i've said, some people can't afford to get a new console but still want to play the game. The ps3 console is fully capable of playing all the content available in the game and you're not really getting inferior players in your party because they're on ps3 (it's a graphical issue and frame rate is usually limited to popular fate or zones, not dungeons/raids)

So in the end, why are you caring about SE maintaining support on an older console when you can play on a new one yourself. I don't come over to your house and tell you what to do so why are you forcing ps3 players to move to a new console because you happen to find the graphic revolting and unacceptable.

Lastly, yes you can try say, those resources could be better used elsewhere etc etc. Again, this is not up to you to decide, if the company finds it most profitable to maintain multiple cross platform support, then it is their decision to make.

I'll say one thing : Skyrim.

You know that game designed for console and that sold much more on 360 than on any other support, including pc.

If you guys think that consoles are what is limitin the game, you should just you know, go away. Most of mmos, if not all of them, never really performed well for massive pvp and what not, I'm glad that one take the reasonnable road even if yeah, I do want frontlines kinda badly :p

Pc players. /facepalm


You guys should just be happy to be gamers at all, since 2 genres of games are actually requirin skill and ~1000$ rigs in order to be better than on console. Fps and Rts, for the rest its the same. Yeah I'm not includin modding, eyecandy and stuff im just about raw gameplay, so please, lol.

Any ranked Bayonetta / Ninja Gaiden / Ikaruga player would absolutely do 3 times better than any pc player haha.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

the limitation of the ps3 (people can argue that they don't exist, but they exist) will hinder the game sooner or later

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Yeah, if FFXIV lasts 11+ years it'll hinder it. You seem to be confusing design decisions for console limitations. Why is it we have inferior storage capabilities compared to a 2001 PS2 Game? The way the storage system in XI works would easily work on the PS3 and PS4. No one said they don't exist, the limitations aren't the reason for certain design decisions they make with ARR.

The one thing people can never answer is this:

"Why is it PC only MMOs without any console port are still far limited and "behind" than even FFXI or FFXIV?"

The only thing people attempt to say is: "If they take full use of a PC no one would be able to play it." And yet, people brag about WoW's scalability...so in other words, console limiations mean nothing in the long run as proven by FFXI. The main limitation of FFXI was the storage space needed, which they increased for the PS2 as it's still in limited support in Japan but is largely unsupported and surprise, no magical transformation just because they end support of x!

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FF11 on the ps2 was still supported until recently, but do you remember all the item that did disappear from the database because of trouble of memory space?

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The only thing they've EVER removed from the data is Auto-Translation entries that no one used or was heavily outdated due to the state of the game and only more recent terms from ToAU on is in.

I play on ps3.
I will gladly switch to ps4 if SquareEnix buys me a ps4.
It would also work if they buy me a ps4 and increase my sub
Until it is paid off, maybe 20 a month?
But that will never happen.

at least wait for the first xpac before cutting off support, imo.

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Originally Posted by Lafiele

I think everyone here is missing the point though. This is about multiple cross-platform support. Yes, ps3 graphics are inferior to PC etc etc, but ultimately this doesn't affect YOU. As i've said, some people can't afford to get a new console but still want to play the game. The ps3 console is fully capable of playing all the content available in the game and you're not really getting inferior players in your party because they're on ps3 (it's a graphical issue and frame rate is usually limited to popular fate or zones, not dungeons/raids)

So in the end, why are you caring about SE maintaining support on an older console when you can play on a new one yourself. I don't come over to your house and tell you what to do so why are you forcing ps3 players to move to a new console because you happen to find the graphic revolting and unacceptable.

Lastly, yes you can try say, those resources could be better used elsewhere etc etc. Again, this is not up to you to decide, if the company finds it most profitable to maintain multiple cross platform support, then it is their decision to make.

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Actually, you miss the point.

It's not about graphics, the PS3 version will always factor into the design philosophies of the the PS4 and PC versions.
The poster above you pointed out one of those with cities split into two and zone loading. This is because of the PS3, you can't argue that.

ps3 = dx9 = not good

although I agree that the best solution would be if everyone went to PS4 or a decent PC... the game hasnt been available long enough on the PS3 to consider 'dropping' it. AND theres people with PCs (or even worse - laptops) as bad as the PS3. It would take years to make it acceptable to move everyone across to PS4 or force everyone to use higher end PCs, by which time we'll only have 25% of the players that we have now anwyay.

I am amazed there is still page after page of PC players that have no clue how video games work. You don't get to lecture SE on which systems they design their games for when you don't have a clue how those designs work.

OMG FFXI WAS HINDERED BY PS2 AND THATS WHY IT SUCKS AND FAILED!!@#)(@UR()!@)(J

Yeah poor FFXI and its decade long running... on the PS2. ...and if the PS3 is hindering FFXIV in a decade so will most of computers its currently running on. But lets ignore reality because I want to defend my $500+ PC.

The last time a thread like this popped up, it was locked. Mostly due to the flaming from both sides being stubborn as mules believing they are correct whilst the other is not. Let people play the game how they want to play, if you have an issue with that... Sorry, SE currently has no plans to cater to 'PC MASTER RACE!' or 'PS3 MASTER RACE!' players.

They couldnt migrate PS3 players to their own server for one good reason. If they migrated characters from PS3 service accounts to dedicated PS3 servers, this would have a direct knock-on effect on people with both PC and PS3 service accounts to be forced onto a server which is still going to end up having a mix of PC and PS3 players. In short, OPs suggestion achieves nothing.

This game supports PC, PS3, and soon PS4. Deal with it kid.

OH SURE SURE.

Just let me crap 400$ out my arse and I'll get back to you.