Why no one tanks...

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Originally Posted by LoLo

If you do not know the game mechanics while everyone else does and you fail because of that, how is pointing that out false? If they don't tell you, wont you repeat the same mistake the next go around? I rather a person tell me I'm lacking so I can improve than to go around causing my future parties headache because I am bad at my job.

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You reading it wrong. I said the one that is blaming others is usually the one that doesn't know the mechanics. I.E Healers that spam med 2 and then get mad that the tank can't hold aggro in Titan HM. It's nice to get some good advice from good players but most of them just pretenders.

Real answer: Because they didn't make it faceroll enough to pickup/swap/hold aggro
Fake answer: It's not fun (linked to real answer)
Bad answer: Because people pick on me
Worst answer: Because healers suck
Possible alternate answer: Because they tried too hard to force tank swapping in everything with a badly designed hate swap ability and 2.5s gcds.

Aggro can be fun for tanks, but it's not fun for the whole group and that's why it was made easier in certain other mmos at some point. Overall, it eventually pulls in people more afraid to play tanks if the main job of a tank is less strenuous to perform as well.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

http://i.imgur.com/RlGLQAl.png

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Awesome, lol.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

http://i.imgur.com/RlGLQAl.png

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The truth unfolded!

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Originally Posted by Fyce

http://i.imgur.com/RlGLQAl.png

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Time to go home.

Tanks are the masters of all humanoids. They are the superior beings of the world.

You will be shown no quarter.

in all seriousness though. Tanks who can't handle criticism shouldn't tank. Put people in their place, and tell them what the deal is. If they can't handle a wipe tell them to abandon, and get it over with. No need to be all touchy feel

^ No need to be rude to people either.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

Tanks should stop acting like the victims. Every other class gets just as much abuse by tank players.

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crappy bait is crap.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

http://i.imgur.com/RlGLQAl.png

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-applauds-

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

Tanks are the masters of all humanoids. They are the superior beings of the world.

You will be shown no quarter.

in all seriousness though. Tanks who can't handle criticism shouldn't tank. Put people in their place, and tell them what the deal is. If they can't handle a wipe tell them to abandon, and get it over with. No need to be all touchy feel

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I think the issue is not constructive criticism, it's just criticism. I have no problems with letting people give me hints and tips about tanking an upcoming boss. In fact, my first time in a dungeon, I flat out ask "Ok, whatcha want me to do?".

The problem is what that picture represents. People not following the kill order, getting aggro, then dying, THEN proceeding to say the tank sucks blah blah blah. Tanks have no issues keeping hate on a bunch of mobs, but if you for a second you lose aggro, it's like the apocalypse to the DD. They need to relax, and realize it's no big deal.

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Originally Posted by Rex

I'm sorry to say that some of the people raging in the other parties in the run I used as an example were from Hyperion. :/ In fact one of them was someone that I had known since beta of 1.0. He stopped once he realized I was one of the tanks. But it certainly showed another side of him. Sad.

Then again, you did say 81%. So you could still be right...but that means that I must be running into the other 19% a lot. Lol

Btw, Ms. (or mr.) Talia Renton, You'll be getting a linkshell invite when I'm out of work later. XD

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Ms. ^^ You're correct on such a statement. And cool! I have like one spot left, but I'll be around tonight before I go for coil! (Maybe you will not get this, but I will hunt you down in game). I'll even throw one back at you!

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Originally Posted by Rex

4. When the tank died, I provoked and tried to pull to the normal spot to salvage this fight. But because of where I was initially standing, the dragon turned and immediately used tail drive on 70% of the Alliance.

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You can stun Tail Drive. Yeah, sometimes the DD/WARs will go all out with their stuns to up their DEEPS and max the stun limit early, but it's always worth a shot.

And yeah, tanking CT is pretty bad. I actually love tanking, but as a WAR I'm usually sitting around with Defiance off with my MNK accessories equipped (hilariously bumping up my ilvl), because 90% of the time a PLD will come and fight me for hate the moment I pull anything; it's just not worth it to even bother trying to tank in there. I enjoy tanking the bosses in there, when I get the chance. It's a shame that the dungeon after Monday is full of trolls and naked people.

I don't agree that tanking is boring. I started as a WHM and leveled SMN. But I had always wanted to be a Paladin too. Taking is interesting because you have to manage the monsters and the players. It's more responsibility than most people think. Smart players will listen when you tell them what you plan to do next. A tank has to constantly focus on maintaining emnity, rotating abilities, attacking monsters and group mobs.

And for bosses that spawn adds, the tank is the one that has to bring the adds to one spot in most cases so dps can use aoe them. I think the hardest part of tanking is that some people work against you. Like dps attacking before you or before you've got aggro. Or healers spamming Medica II or Regen. I'm not saying they shouldn't use those spells. But I've had healers get killed because when adds spawned the went right for them and then the healer kept running away so I couldn't get aggro or even hit the adds. Every class has it's responsibilities. But if tank was the easiest thing to do tanks wouldn't be the 1st to be blamed (and healers 2nd) if there is a wipe.

What's a downer is that I'm likely to get criticized harshly as as tank than as an SMN. Seems like dps don't get ragged on as much. On the other hand as a tank (2nd healer) I get more commendations by far. Also some ppl seem to think there is only one way to approach a situation. Even if my approach is just as viable they say things like, just do it this way, "everybody does". Just tank, that's all you have to do. Hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Ogrumz

Tanks are treated horribly in this game.

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Assumption, and likely as not, false in many instances.

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So many self entitled kids that run in and face pull everything

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Assumption. Although anecdotal evidence, I've run into very few people under 18 in this game.

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you pick it all up, use all your defensive cooldowns and die cause the DPS is auto attacking.

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Find better people to play with, or kick the offending DPS.

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Then said DPS complains for 30 minutes about the tank being bad, and gets you kicked from the party.

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Again, find better people to play with. Why are you sticking with a group when someone is such a verbal abuser?

There are many threads about why so few tanks exist in this game, but I don't think you've really added anything to the discussion overall with this new thread. I don't think there are many tanks in this game because, as others have said, it's not a very interesting job. The new 2.1 content changes that up quite a bit, but that's only 4-5 fights out of the myriad in this game.

Also, I'd say a lot of people don't like the pressure tanking brings. There's much more responsibility on a tank than a dps, which is why the ratios are so off.