Why is there still so much to do at end game?

Kind of left to wonder how a company at least 10 times the size of Trion is launching with virtually no raid content. It's not that it can't be done and there's some sort of excuse because the game just launched, Trion was a very small and passionate team when Rift launched and we got Greenscale's Blight, River of Souls, Raid Rifts, Expert Dungeons, and Hammerknell, more than twice the size of GSB and RoS combined, within months. EQ1 has a team of what? 12 content designers that are pumping things out now? Haven't checked with my buddy in Realms of Insanity since I stopped working at SWTOR over a year ago, but I don't buy the excuse that there's some sort of privilege associated with an MMO's incubation phase in this day and age that excuses a lack of progression content.

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Originally Posted by Altena

Anyone can go dance around in meadows and pick flowers, but what people are asking for is more end game, and this is a fairly legit request, especially considering we are already 1 full raid/dungeon (Crystal Tower) behind what we should of had at release..

You keep getting "your point" wrong. No one is disputing that there is absolutely nothing to do.
A good portion want the hard stuff to make the game challenging.

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Everything you said. But he or she will just come back with "you don't HAVE to do the challenging stuff! You can do other stuff like collect minions! It's your choice!"
blah blah blah.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

This is a pay monthly MMORPG, it needs appear never ending to the players or they pay for a month and quit and the game dies.

Leveling any class is far too fast, the exp rates are insane, in my opinion.

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Stop your subscription and go back to the game when some new content is released.
That's what a lot people are currently doing in the most successful MMORPG of all times. And both the players and the developpers seems to be happy about it.

In fact, it works better with subscription based MMO than the ones with the F2P model.

Plus, people who are claiming "if there is nothing else to do, players will just leave and the game will die" are not taking in consideration the fact that newcomers can easily replace the ones leaving. In money terms, no matter who you are, what level you are and if you're done with the "leveling content" or not, a subscription is a subscription.
If SE lose one "end-gamer" and gain one "new-comer", it will be the same thing for them. That's why developpers are not focus on only one thing and should be trying to release end game content as well as things made to attract new players.

The game won't die because there is a 3 months gap between the last content release and the new one.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tch-2.1/page20 Yoshi talks about updates.

For endgame is some people can hardcore play in 12hrs-24hrs intervals, and not everyday either so if the content design is for the causal 2hrs to 5 hrs a day for total of 35hrs in the week, the 12hrs ers+ a day or every couple of days. They can do it in two to five days.

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Originally Posted by Toystore

Kind of left to wonder how a company at least 10 times the size of Trion is launching with virtually no raid content. It's not that it can't be done and there's some sort of excuse because the game just launched, Trion was a very small and passionate team when Rift launched and we got Greenscale's Blight, River of Souls, Raid Rifts, Expert Dungeons, and Hammerknell, more than twice the size of GSB and RoS combined, within months. EQ1 has a team of what? 12 content designers that are pumping things out now? Haven't checked with my buddy in Realms of Insanity since I stopped working at SWTOR over a year ago, but I don't buy the excuse that there's some sort of privilege associated with an MMO's incubation phase in this day and age that excuses a lack of progression content.

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You know we can see you on the lodestone, right?

Put on the Lightning outfit or something at least, so we can't see that you haven't even started doing current raid and is whining for more.

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Originally Posted by Doo

It's not just faster content. It's making use of content instead of making it obsolete as well. When you have players that pretty much just run one dungeon because it's the most efficient there's an issue right there.

Also coil should be DFable and players should be able to rerun it if not items at least farm philos or whatever if they want to help out others.

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It's only obsolete if you you choose to not play anything else. I play 5 roles at the moment and use 3 to farm mats. The dungeons offer me plenty of opportunity for exp and gear. Once again, if you limit yourself to 1 character and end-game content you WILL run out of stuff to do. Happens in every MMO.

If SE did that we'd have the same problem 1 week after Crystal Tower is realeased as we have now because people would be maxed-out on multiple character roles. Then we'd have to endure another 6 months of whining because there isn't enough content. The caps are fine where they are at.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

Everything you said. But he or she will just come back with "you don't HAVE to do the challenging stuff! You can do other stuff like collect minions! It's your choice!"
blah blah blah.

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Glad to see you left the White Knights on Realm Sayura. Welcome :D

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Originally Posted by SynMaris

Glad to see you left the White Knights on Realm Sayura. Welcome :D

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Haha did I White Knight? I tried so hard to find other avenues to keep me occupied in the game and encourage people to wait for 2.1 because it's..so..close.. but I can't anymore. It was difficult to log-in for my coils group last night but I'm loyal to em.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

Haha did I White Knight? I tried so hard to find other avenues to keep me occupied in the game and encourage people to wait for 2.1 because it's..so..close.. but I can't anymore. It was difficult to log-in for my coils group last night but I'm loyal to em.

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Yeah 2.1 the retroprogress is whack. I think people on this thread are misunderstanding us wanting content, we are criticizing because we care, at least I do, I'd like to see this game thrive, but without anything to do it can hurt the game especially when Yoshi-P promised lots of content come launch.

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Originally Posted by SynMaris

Yeah 2.1 the retroprogress is whack. I think people on this thread are misunderstanding us wanting content, we are criticizing because we care, at least I do, I'd like to see this game thrive, but without anything to do it can hurt the game especially when Yoshi-P promised lots of content come launch.

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I paid for the full-year subscription and I too want it to succeed. I hope 2.1 is done well because WildStar is launching in spring with beta coming in December with a fully integrated housing system and mass-pvp options.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

I paid for the full-year subscription and I too want it to succeed. I hope 2.1 is done well because WildStar is launching in spring with beta coming in December with a fully integrated housing system and mass-pvp options.

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Agreed, can't wait for Wildstar let coordinate servers.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

You know we can see you on the lodestone, right?

Put on the Lightning outfit or something at least, so we can't see that you haven't even started doing current raid and is whining for more.

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I already made a mention that I quit when I got relic + 1 and the only thing left to do was wait until myth gear caught up to the out of order (impossible) difficulty of Twin Tania at the time. Seeing Sylx somewhere on the horizon that would have bridged the gap to Twin Tania that will be bridged by myth gear by the time Sylx is actually out, I cancelled and went to a game with actual endgame worth doing.