Here's how people made millions in 1 month, my story.

Actually for my first lvl 50 Craft (GSM) I did not even know about triple turn in's and did all singles. (the best exp I thought I could get).

For 2nd-5th lvl 50 craft I did mostly triple hand-in's, lots of the HQ items I handed in were bought from the market, or a paid another crafter to make them for me. (Lazy I know :p but I could make more gil crafting higher lvl things than it cost to pay someone to make my leve items!) Usually until lvl 35 or so when i could easily HQ my own items.

I was after the exp not the gil.

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Originally Posted by lordjoosie

Yea, the whole situation bothers me, and when I thought I saw proof of at least 1 person in the wrong, I jumped too fast. It looked at first glance that people had been screwed and there was some dirtbag making them all look like liars.

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Unfortunately there does seem to be exploiters/cheats about and they do seem to be doing something fishy with leve hand-in's.

But I doubt the people here claiming innocence are lying, as why would an exploiter spend their time selling 100's of low value items.

I despise cheaters as much as anyone and probably more than most.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Unfortunately there does seem to be exploiters/cheats about and they do seem to be doing something fishy with leve hand-in's.

But I doubt the people here claiming innocence are lying, as why would an exploiter spend their time selling 100's of low value items.

I despise cheaters as much as anyone and probably more than most.

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Have to agree here. I despise cheaters as well, and report many every time I log in. I still see the same people doing it, especially afk scripting/macroing full skill rotations. The amount of gil you have from leves isn't even worth exploiting over, which should be the first clue to anyone reading.

As for staying on topic, I sympathize with kevin, and feel he is telling the truth. I had some friends get hit with the blanket suspensions, and I had crafted with these people the whole way through. The only thing they are guilty of is being dedicated to the game. I am not saying everyone was innocent, I am saying a lot of innocents were caught in the crossfire. Even if you don't agree on a personal level, you have to admit that you can't go about it in the way that SE did and not catch innocents, and you shouldn't automatically assume that everyone crying foul is guilty because of this. Just like legal systems in real life, the question shouldn't be if innocents got hit in this, but how many.

If you refuse to accept that some of these people are innocent by shooting down every single one of them, then you operate on the assumption that SE is perfect and didn't catch any innocents at all, which is a naive and ignorant standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I am not going off of the opposite assumption either. But I do believe scarebearz and kevinc are innocent.

I realize someone could argue I am being naive as well by trusting those same friends so much, but it isn't that at all. I personally witnessed a good deal of their market transactions and how ontop of offering their services to the public they were. It would take too long to fully explain every detail here about their sales, but the approximate amount adds up in my head.


Edit: Ninja editing in a response for below, because I don't feel like making a new post for it.

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Originally Posted by lordjoosie

It wasn't about the gil. The way it went down is: I was reading about the leave exploit and realized how easy it would be for SE to just look at character data and see if someone used it. Then I remembered Scare's post about the gil in log. It seemed pretty high so I thought OMG finally got proof!
So I rushed to get some confirmation and that's where the wheels fell off my bus.

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Hopefully this doesn't come across as a d-bag response, because it isn't meant that way. But that is what happens when you argue to be right instead of argue to make an objective point. Something everyone is guilty of, including myself, so I don't hold it against you. In other words, you shouldn't look at that and think proof. That means you already assumed they were guilty before hashing it out fully. The confirmation you sought after such a biased beginning point can only in turn be biased itself.

Sad thing is it definitely looks like we'll never know for sure why they targeted who they did, and those who didn't do anything are just out of luck. Best you're likely to get is to vent on the forums.

On the plus side we gave the forum its dose of excitement for the day. We should do this about once a week for kicks.

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Originally Posted by Subhuman

Have to agree here. I despise cheaters as well, and report many every time I log in. I still see the same people doing it, especially afk scripting/macroing full skill rotations. The amount of gil you have from leves isn't even worth exploiting over, which should be the first clue to anyone reading.

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It wasn't about the gil. The way it went down is: I was reading about the leave exploit and realized how easy it would be for SE to just look at character data and see if someone used it. Then I remembered Scare's post about the gil in log. It seemed pretty high so I thought OMG finally got proof!
So I rushed to get some confirmation and that's where the wheels fell off my bus.

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Originally Posted by lordjoosie

Sad thing is it definitely looks like we'll never know for sure why they targeted who they did, and those who didn't do anything are just out of luck. Best you're likely to get is to vent on the forums.

On the plus side we gave the forum its dose of excitement for the day. We should do this about once a week for kicks.

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My girlfriend got banned after a week of playing XI for RMT activities. We think it was for the 50k (ha) that a friend gave her to start her off. She played back and forth with CS but never got her account back. Just some perspective.

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Sad thing is it definitely looks like we'll never know for sure why they targeted who they did

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this one is easy, gil out + gil in over specified timeframe = flagged

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Originally Posted by Bibimbap

My girlfriend got banned after a week of playing XI for RMT activities. We think it was for the 50k (ha) that a friend gave her to start her off. She played back and forth with CS but never got her account back. Just some perspective.

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yep i got the rmt ban in xi for transfering gil to mules, moral of the story, dont make/transfer too much gil too fast

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Originally Posted by TheRac25

yep i got the rmt ban in xi for transfering gil to mules, moral of the story, dont make/transfer too much gil too fast

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But is 50k really that much? I didn't play XI as much as I've played XIV, but we were really surprised that they would flag that much... but the main point anyway is that we were completely unable to get support, and the account was done for... just like the situation here where some people honestly just want to get an official word in.

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Originally Posted by Bibimbap

But is 50k really that much? I didn't play XI as much as I've played XIV, but we were really surprised that they would flag that much... but the main point anyway is that we were completely unable to get support, and the account was done for... just like the situation here where some people honestly just want to get an official word in.

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Depends on when this was done. old school XI, it was kind of a pain to raise money.

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Originally Posted by Bibimbap

My girlfriend got banned after a week of playing XI for RMT activities. We think it was for the 50k (ha) that a friend gave her to start her off. She played back and forth with CS but never got her account back. Just some perspective.

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I'm glad to see they learned from their stupidity. I'm never playing a mmo from SE again, I'll just write it down on my list under Funcom

Sorry for your loss, man. If it were me who got their gil "stolen" from SE, I would have definitely quit playing. This is really unacceptable indeed...

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Originally Posted by lordjoosie

It wasn't about the gil. The way it went down is: I was reading about the leave exploit and realized how easy it would be for SE to just look at character data and see if someone used it. Then I remembered Scare's post about the gil in log. It seemed pretty high so I thought OMG finally got proof!
So I rushed to get some confirmation and that's where the wheels fell off my bus.

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No worries, I expect most of us here have royally put their foot in their mouth before, I know I have! :)

Now... back to begging for a Human GM to investigate our accounts :P

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Originally Posted by KevinC

You realize I was selling mats and got rich selling that hundreds of players? It's impossible for me to check where their 30k came from since 30k is pretty easy to get.

If you sell a car 20 000$ and it's bought with dirty money they will take back the 20 000, probly open an investigation if it happen often but they won't take 99% of the money you made so far along with it...

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Stop whinning, you get what you deserve after ripping People off with Prices no one with a working brain would ever pay.
Minning DS is just one Click and you get 15DS per Spawn, respawn is each hour. Lets say you sell each for 10k so you get with this Prices 150k for just one spawn and this every hour, are you mad or something? This Prices where insanne and im very sure if you dont start on a legacy sever most of them was bought from People who bought RMT when it was sold the first days. You get what you deserve, so shut up.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Stop whinning, you get what you deserve after ripping People off with Prices no one with a working brain would ever pay.
Minning DS is just one Click and you get 15DS per Spawn, respawn is each hour. Lets say you sell each for 10k so you get with this Prices 150k for just one spawn and this every hour, are you mad or something? This Prices where insanne and im very sure if you dont start on a legacy sever most of them was bought from People who bought RMT when it was sold the first days. You get what you deserve, so shut up.

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Being the cheapest and selling on an open market is ripping people off? news to me.

I'm sure Kevin forced people to buy his items on the market board...

If you need to RMT to get 30k as a lvl 50 your doing something horribly wrong...

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Why can't people come up with at least decent arguments? I guess the DoW and DoM selling grade 4 materias at 60-80k or tome mats at 40-70k was perfectly fine then ? Who the heck are you to decide what kind of prices are fine when you're the first setting it and have no clue how much to ask for? I just guessed a price since I was server first and it selled faster than I could mine them plus you only get 9 ores per hours from lvl 46 to 49. If you play 6 hours per day that's 54 ores for a whole server or 108 if you're 50.

Guess that's just one of these post with someone crying he's not rich while others are....

Lol even if it only where 9 That you get while lvling you mining. Every Child knows that 10k for something what only needs you 2 clicks and seconds to get is to expensiv when you need a whole time longer to get these amount of Gil throw Fates, Quest, Leves or whatever. And the others you mentiont are not better, just modern Onlinerobbers are you guys like you nothing more.^^

1 Dark Ore is never more worth than 1k Gil and even this is to high. But hey thx to the Botters People like you cant rip of the customers anymore. XD

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Lol even if it only where 9 That you get while lvling you mining. Every Child knows that 10k for something what only needs you 2 clicks and seconds to get is to expensiv when you need a whole time longer to get these amount of Gil throw Fates, Quest, Leves or whatever. And the others you mentiont are not better, just modern Onlinerobbers are you guys like you nothing more.^^

1 Dark Ore is never more worth than 1k Gil and even this is to high. But hey thx to the Botters People like you cant rip of the customers anymore. XD

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I am amazed someone could pull out so much idiocy in only 1 post. *Slowly step back with my food from this obvious troll*

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Originally Posted by TwoEggs

blah blah ... that's why ur ores are worthless now because there is not enough gil generated by players because everyone is practically 50 and not everyone wants to waste game time playing a botanist or a miner.

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So that's called quantity demanded (slightly different than actual demand but this isn't ECON 102 so I'm not going there). Now let's talk supply. The other reason why the ores are not worth as much is because more people have leveled miner and thus the amount of ores available has increased. With more ores on the market, the sellers have lowered their prices (generally called undercutting) to move their personal supply faster instead of waiting for them to sell at the current price.

As such, what we're seeing is the anticipated result of an economy where there is a high supply but a low demand. The prices go way down because the suppliers are willing to sell at a lower price.

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Lol even if it only where 9 That you get while lvling you mining. Every Child knows that 10k for something what only needs you 2 clicks and seconds to get is to expensiv when you need a whole time longer to get these amount of Gil throw Fates, Quest, Leves or whatever. And the others you mentiont are not better, just modern Onlinerobbers are you guys like you nothing more.^^

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I...I'm sorry. But it seems you have missed all the levels you have to go through to get to the level you can mine DS.
Same with the grade 4 materia. These guys are spending their time farming for materials to spend time to spiritbind with them to play the lottery to convert that material into grade 4 materia.

But I suppose any kind of innovation to getting gil other than what the system provides (which is very little and often times you pay more for repairs than what you get from doing fates, quests (which do end), and leves will ever provide) is "online robbery."

Thread about lag asking for rep response: 500 likes, no reply.
Thread about this issue asking for rep response: 100 likes, no reply.
Threads about little questions that can typically be answered elsewhere: instant replies.

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Originally Posted by Bibimbap

Thread about lag asking for rep response: 500 likes, no reply.
Thread about this issue asking for rep response: 100 likes, no reply.
Threads about little questions that can typically be answered elsewhere: instant replies.

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Yup and people asking for help in the technical forum get helped out by players most of the time.

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Thread about lag asking for rep response: 500 likes, no reply.
Thread about this issue asking for rep response: 100 likes, no reply.
Threads about little questions that can typically be answered elsewhere: instant replies.

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Yup and people asking for help in the technical forum get helped out by players most of the time.

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Life of the common man...

P.S.: I hate lag QQ

Still no information, ticket has been "escalated to head office" for weeks and weeks.

Still wanting my account to be investigated by a Human GM.

Anyone affected by this still playing? lol