Suggestion: More dynamic gameplay for healing

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Just because they have more to do doesn't make them hard, complex, or fun. A roach tastes better than a spider, is that a huge improvement? No, it's not. Both DOW and DOM are boring and easy to play, but mages are a complete joke compared to any real mage in previous video games or MMOs.

In FF11 I played SCH and RDM as my mages, I didn't play the other mages past subjob levels, I love hybrids and don't like specialized roles, but I understand they need to exist for a MMO to work. THM and conj also completely fail in every way imaginable at being a hybrid mage of any kind.

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but on the other side isn't this game in general a joke compared to other mmo's at present? if you fight harder mobs where you would have a reason to have a dedicated healer you go up to mobs that one shot you. there is no grey area where you have tough challenging fights. you either run up to mobs and run over them or run up to mobs and they own your party. that was my whole point as to why mages have to do other things besides just sitting and casting a heal every now and then.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

but on the other side isn't this game in general a joke compared to other mmo's at present? if you fight harder mobs where you would have a reason to have a dedicated healer you go up to mobs that one shot you. there is no grey area where you have tough challenging fights. you either run up to mobs and run over them or run up to mobs and they own your party. that was my whole point as to why mages have to do other things besides just sitting and casting a heal every now and then.

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Yes this game is in horrible shape, and I agree mages do more than just cast heals.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Personally, I enjoy the fact that we get to determine our own roles in this game and not tunneled into a preset role. I'm sorry that you need SE to hold your hand and tell you how to play your role in this game, but right now it's just not that way. Hopefully, SE will come up with more classes and abilities that offer more support to roles that are not adequate at this time (such as healing only or nuking only mages), but at current you are a better asset to your team by taking on all the the things you can do as a mage that you find work best for your playstyle. Again, hopefully the armory system will eventually allow you to specialize more in the healing you so desperately want to do, and allow it to be more dynamic, but right now it's just not. (Not that I could say that strictly healing or nuking could be considered "dynamic" by any means anyway, lol.) Best wait it out and see what the new job system is going to bring for you. In the meantime if you don't enjoy being inventive, observant, and an asset to your team, then by all means take a break. =)

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Seriously, cut the snob act, it gets old, if you cant argue your point without being rude, that just shows how weak of an argument you have, just respect opinions without resorting to rudeness.

Asking for more class uniqueness is not hand-holding, the majority of people playing dont play because they want to be mediocre at everything, they want to excel at something, and you can tailor your jobs much better on the classic jobs than the fused jobs.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

It's not about holding our hands... Look at all the other successful MMO's that have preset classes... they sure are working towards their benefits unlike the red-mages everyone is now in this game.

Being inventive- yes we can all use spiritbind and bind but doesn't really bring anything to the table with how useless they are

Being observant- isn't that what healing and mp management is all about.... Some might like to watch others health than always attacking

Being and asset to your team- healing and buffing is being an asset...

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By being inventive I mean like using chainspell or some of the other abilities typically ignored by people that just choose to heal or buff. By being observant I mean taking your battle seriously and seeing it's going ons. You can't just spam things without thought because combat does change when the mob lasts longer than 1 minute. (Aka not leve mobs, bascially.) And being an asset to your team in the full way people are capable of goes beyond buffing before a battle, then healing during it, then putting your weapon away to gain mp, heal as necessary, rebuff as necessary. There is a lot of down time there where they could be casting useful spells. Even if you wanted to be a fully supporting mage, why not use the debuffs like Absorb ATT and etc with initiation? Not only do you debuff the mob, and buff yourself, then you can use initiation to transfer those buffs over to the tank or another person in the party. That is being inventive and an asset to the party without the tons of downtime where you're doing nothing when just healing or buffing.

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Originally Posted by Daedae

Seriously, cut the snob act, it gets old, if you cant argue your point without being rude, that just shows how weak of an argument you have, just respect opinions without resorting to rudeness.

Asking for more class uniqueness is not hand-holding, the majority of people playing dont play because they want to be mediocre at everything, they want to excel at something, and you can tailor your jobs much better on the classic jobs than the fused jobs.

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The classes we have now do excel and certain aspects of their core, but people choose not to use them that way.

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Originally Posted by Daedae

Seriously, cut the snob act, it gets old, if you cant argue your point without being rude, that just shows how weak of an argument you have, just respect opinions without resorting to rudeness.

Asking for more class uniqueness is not hand-holding, the majority of people playing dont play because they want to be mediocre at everything, they want to excel at something, and you can tailor your jobs much better on the classic jobs than the fused jobs.

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nice way of thinking... you can excel better by being restricted than you can by being allowed to fill multiple roles on your character.

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Originally Posted by Daedae

Seriously, cut the snob act, it gets old, if you cant argue your point without being rude, that just shows how weak of an argument you have, just respect opinions without resorting to rudeness.

Asking for more class uniqueness is not hand-holding, the majority of people playing dont play because they want to be mediocre at everything, they want to excel at something, and you can tailor your jobs much better on the classic jobs than the fused jobs.

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Also, forgive me for being somewhat rude. It just gets a little tiring to hear that some people want to be forced into a specific and restrictive role, rather than take the time to perfect their own.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

By being inventive I mean like using chainspell or some of the other abilities typically ignored by people that just choose to heal or buff. By being observant I mean taking your battle seriously and seeing it's going ons. You can't just spam things without thought because combat does change when the mob lasts longer than 1 minute. (Aka not leve mobs, bascially.) And being an asset to your team in the full way people are capable of goes beyond buffing before a battle, then healing during it, then putting your weapon away to gain mp, heal as necessary, rebuff as necessary. There is a lot of down time there where they could be casting useful spells. Even if you wanted to be a fully supporting mage, why not use the debuffs like Absorb ATT and etc with initiation? Not only do you debuff the mob, and buff yourself, then you can use initiation to transfer those buffs over to the tank or another person in the party. That is being inventive and an asset to the party without the tons of downtime where you're doing nothing when just healing or buffing.

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I actually have used that before, don't make accusations that we don't know how to utilize the skills we have. There isn't much point into using them since stats really don't affect much in this game neither.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I actually have used that before, don't make accusations that we don't know how to utilize the skills we have. There isn't much point into using them since stats really don't affect much in this game neither.

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It is more beneficial to the party than doing nothing but putting away your weapon while waiting for someone to need a heal.

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Originally Posted by Daedae

Seriously, cut the snob act, it gets old, if you cant argue your point without being rude, that just shows how weak of an argument you have, just respect opinions without resorting to rudeness.

Asking for more class uniqueness is not hand-holding, the majority of people playing dont play because they want to be mediocre at everything, they want to excel at something, and you can tailor your jobs much better on the classic jobs than the fused jobs.

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Really, just ignore him x_x