Keeping Content Hard and Helping People Learn

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Originally Posted by Shistar

No worries. It was my choice to reply, after all.
I think people who have that view IRL can be harmful if taken to an extreme or ignoring circumstances, but I think it's an admirable attitute to have towards video games because they're made to be beaten. The devs don't go around releasing impossible content for players to bang their heads against and never beat. That is why I agree with Cid's sentiment, simply because everything in this game has been beaten at least once, and if it is factually possible and I want to do it, those are the only two things I need to feel capable of beating it ^^


Obviously, it is not this way IRL. But I also think having to reach so far as to compare yourself to a Formula 1 World Champion to prove your point is... extreme, to say the least.
This is not an IRL forum, it's XIV's forum, and the real fact is that you can clear whatever you put your mind to because it is literally made for you to clear it, and it will be there for you to clear it until the days the servers die. Having an attitude that aligns with the content's nature only makes it easier for you to reach your goal.

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It is made for some portion of the player base to clear, not me. And that's as it should be.

As Carighan notes, any MMO that designs all content to be cleared by everyone is a terrible MMO.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

It is made for some portion of the player base to clear, not me. And that's as it should be.

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It is made for the average player to clear. It is okay to not be an average player, but if the devs had to account for every single player type, physical and mental limitation and preferences in existence, they'd either never release anything, or never make anyone happy. It is up to us to decide what we do with the content that is released.



Edit: That is why games like Animal Crossing and Dark Souls exist. The average player varies game to game, and if you find that you don't enjoy XIV or you feel like you are not up to the skill level it demands of its average playerbase, I don't see why you should torture yourself playing something that makes you feel this bad.
XIV's "average player" has changed over the years, and you have changed over the years. I understand it is upsetting to feel like you're being pushed away by a game you like. But it is truly their loss, not yours. For your own wellbeing, I hope you find better games that give you much more joy. Genuinely.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

It is made for the average player to clear. It is okay to not be an average player, but if the devs had to account for every single player type in existence, they'd either never release anything, or never make anyone happy. It is up to us to decide what we do with the content that is released.

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100% agree. Which is why I get prickly when raiders insist anyone can clear savage, particularly when it's used to demonstrate that there is plenty of content in this game, if only the lazy casuals would engage with it.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

100% agree. Which is why I get prickly when raiders insist anyone can clear savage, particularly when it's used to demonstrate that there is plenty of content in this game, if only the lazy casuals would engage with it.

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... I think we won't ever get anywhere with this conversation. Have a nice day, Mawlzy.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

... I think we won't ever get anywhere with this conversation. Have a nice day, Mawlzy.

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Oh. Seemed to me we'd reached a fair amount of concordance.

Have a nice day yourself.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

... I think we won't ever get anywhere with this conversation. Have a nice day, Mawlzy.

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Lmfao, oh I do miss the condescending attitudes. Just dripping with ableism LOL. It's ok, you tried your best, it's not the games fault for being to hard on you, omg.

The game should have a trainers badge. That's a great idea OP. Many people make alts for the sprout icon to relearn old content and not to mention, we have a 'looking to meld materia' icon, so why not add more customization?

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Oh. Seemed to me we'd reached a fair amount of concordance.

Have a nice day yourself.

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You have the patience of a saint Mawlzy, seriously.

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

You have the patience of a saint Mawlzy, seriously.

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Oh, I don't think it's patience. I'm genuinely fascinated by the massive gulf between different segments of the FFXIV community, particularly because I see it reflected in the polarizations in the real world.

Here's an example that is trivial, but had me sitting slack jawed:

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Originally Posted by Shistar

This is off-topic, but I think you would enjoy watching speedruns and challenge runs. I think it'd open your mind to what possibilities entail, and how far people are willing to go when theywant to do something. For entertainment value, of course lol I don't go around trying to pull all of that myself, but I love watching it and has changed my outlook on gaming for the better! Some people are truly insane, and I love them for it.

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Setting aside the predictable insult that I am close-minded, why would I enjoy watching speedruns and challenge runs? Or more importantly, why would anyone assume I would enjoy watching such content when I've made it clear I regard current instanced PvE in FFXIV as dogshit? More generally, I don't watch other people playing video games (unless it's a guide to get through another awful MSQ dungeon). It doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Now I understand there are some people who do watch others playing video games, else we wouldn't be blighted with content creators and influencers. But why do people who enjoy such content have this unshakeable conviction that they understand my interests better than I do? It's truly perverse.

I think I know better than anyone else what my capabilities in raids and dungeons are, and what my leisure interests are. And yet in multiple threads on these boards, I'm told I am wrong. It's an aggressive negation of the feelings of others and it's extremely unhealthy.

I've never come across such arrogance in any community, gaming or otherwise. I'm glad I'm leaving it.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I think part of the problem we're facing is that a single mechanic now dominates fights: responding rapidly to (often obscure) tells and moving to the safe spot.

Anyone playing a game will instinctively try to resolve that mechanic. In that sense they are trying their best. But it's also a mechanic that is difficult for a subset of players (for multiple reasons).

Many "good" players seem genuinely baffled by how "bad" some others are in PvE in this game. I'm convinced it mostly stems from this DDR trend.

You can't teach speed.

And the side effect is a "good" player will see a "bad" one who is barely casting and assume they're just goofing off, whereas in fact that player is completely overwhelmed by simply avoiding the bad.

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You'll never learn if you never try, and you have already expressed that you don't care to in other posts many times over. You don't need speed, i promise. I brought my girlfriend into savage and she was AWFUL. like 30% abc, didnt know to do damage as a healer, got hit with basically every mechanic, struggled to learn new mechanics. She has now cleared every single savage since EWs launch.

There has not been a single person who has wanted to learn savage that I have failed to teach. Not a single person. It's simply a matter of wanting to put in the effort. If you don't want to because you don't think you will enjoy it, fine. If you just are ok with being bad, also fine. "It's impossible for me but i never actually put in the time or effort to do it," get over yourself. Just be honest and say you don't care to learn, not that you can't do it.