What's the point of Peloton now?

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

after you sprint the sprint icon turns to a jog icon. you are faster than a walk but slighty jogging speed not sprinting. until you zone out or take aggro. It works well as a gatherer though along with the new mount call XD

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not sure why you are telling me this? or just quoting me for this... because yes that's how it works. you sprint. it expires. not in combat? you get jog. enter combat? you lose jog. i've used it plenty by now as i said :confused:

what i actually asked was where others got the idea it's sanctuaries only which did get answered

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

During live letter that is what Yoshi said when introducing the feature.

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thanks for the answer i've completely stopped bothering with the LL, even the digests, so missed that
though i do wonder if this was a mistranslation/misunderstanding of him saying this will be useful in cities or if he really did advertise it as sanctuaries only...

edit: i actually don't think this makes peleton completely useless, since this is tied to sprint, so there will be plenty moments to use it still i imagine

Maybe one change Peloton into a skill influencing attack speed, not movement speed? Basically granting "haste"? Alternatively it could only affect auto attack speed, more DPS without messing with cooldowns having to be in sync for the 2 minute meta.

Just a random idea, I am not a number cruncher for hardcore content though, I don't know if this would end up to be positive or not. And it probably wouldn't help with the speed boost items you don't want to wear in a battle because they don't have the right stats, (but I guess one could just raise the movement speed percentage they give you.)

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Originally Posted by Valence

I have no problem with Jog. My problem is with Peloton, that obviously needs something. It has always needed something, but now more than ever. Or just delete it and replace it with actually meaningful role actions that aren't just deep dungeon useful options (in fact I am a huge proponent of splitting role actions between deep dungeons / overworld and duty actions). Rphys role actions are really, really underwhelming in duties, and Peloton serves nothing of value today.

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Peloton is still better than jog, but it's nice that you now have a weaker variation of it, even if you don't have a Phy Range in your party. It allows you to keep the momentum.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

Wut u mean somewhat useful lol bard got a whole band going on XD at least that something unique

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Fair but pointless during instanced content. ;D Tho it'd be a fun addition to have a bard band performing a raidboss into the ground. Actually the thought of it is pretty funny, thank you ^-^

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Peloton is still better than jog, but it's nice that you now have a weaker variation of it, even if you don't have a Phy Range in your party. It allows you to keep the momentum.

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1) What you gain out of it in a dungeon amounts mathematically to barely 5-10 seconds gained. All psychological.
2) If you argue that this is good and disagree with the former point, then it means this is indirectly harming rphys options by making the role even less useful for parties.

Peloton was shit, and it's even shittier now, and I'm standing by my words there until proven otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Minali

Maybe one change Peloton into a skill influencing attack speed, not movement speed? Basically granting "haste"? Alternatively it could only affect auto attack speed, more DPS without messing with cooldowns having to be in sync for the 2 minute meta.

Just a random idea, I am not a number cruncher for hardcore content though, I don't know if this would end up to be positive or not. And it probably wouldn't help with the speed boost items you don't want to wear in a battle because they don't have the right stats, (but I guess one could just raise the movement speed percentage they give you.)

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Jobs require specific GCD speeds for their rotations to work properly. This wouldn't be good.

Honestly make it a role action that is similar to scholars speed boost but only the speed part.

Physical ranged should have a lot more supportive capabilities Imo. I'd honestly add a lot to make physical ranged actually stand out as a valuable role.

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Originally Posted by Valence

1) What you gain out of it in a dungeon amounts mathematically to barely 5-10 seconds gained. All psychological.
2) If you argue that this is good and disagree with the former point, then it means this is indirectly harming rphys options by making the role even less useful for parties.

Peloton was shit, and it's even shittier now, and I'm standing by my words there until proven otherwise.

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Oh please, how is it harming them? The way I see is it's that it comes from a time when having Peloton was a lot more impactful than what it is now.

You talk about Peloton, but what about Leg Graze and Foot Graze? I do agree that role actions of phy range should be reworked at this point as they serve little to no purpose aside from Peloton, second wind, and arm's length.

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Originally Posted by Daudream

ok can i ask where you all are getting jog only working in sanctuaries from????

it was never mentioned anywhere from what i can tell, the patch notes also just mentioned it being a out of combat buff too, so again where???
jog works wherever that is not a pvp area (since sprint is a toggle there) and i know this for a fact as i've had it work no matter where i am

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From a side comment of Yoshida's where he said "I think it only works in Sanctuaries?" Which he was promptly corrected on when he ran out of the border of the sanctuary he was in.
They've clearly not read patch notes and don't realize it works everywhere as long as you aren't in combat... which they could, you know, just test...?

https://i.imgur.com/G3lcz0J.png

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Oh please, how is it harming them? The way I see is it's that it comes from a time when having Peloton was a lot more impactful than what it is now.

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I don't think it is harming them? Like I said, I think Peloton has always been a pretty useless gimmick. You're the one that seems to think it has good uses, so if Jog starts stepping on what Peloton brings, then it by definition harms rphys indirectly. How can I make this clearer?
The way you see it is wrong. Peloton comes from Swift Song, which was a bard unique ability that was usable exactly like Peloton is right now. And when I say it was a gimmick, that's because it has always been, but as a BRD unique, it was whatever, just part of the job's flavor. It wasn't a role action. The mistake was to make it a role action when it didn't have the qualities to become one in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

You talk about Peloton, but what about Leg Graze and Foot Graze? I do agree that role actions of phy range should be reworked at this point as they serve little to no purpose aside from Peloton, second wind, and arm's length.

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Leg Graze and Foot Graze are very dusty and could be better, but they do have uses in non standard pve like deep dungeons or field exploration (notably Eureka but you'll have to remember that at release mounts weren't usable in there until you elemental level capped the area, and mobs of the same level were probably going to delete you if you caught aggro, so having those crowd control options was often the difference between life and death).