Has posting in these forums ever changed anything ?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

You seem to have gone out of your way to misunderstand all of those examples, so well done.

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Not true. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'd actually be curious to hear about what they promised and didn't deliver past 2.0?

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FC alliances.

Personal houses that won't cost as much as FC houses.

There's been many such things mentioned, but they've gotten better at not publicly talking about ideas that aren't already set in stone these days.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There's been many such things mentioned, but they've gotten better at not publicly talking about ideas that aren't already set in stone these days.

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Players treat any mention from the devs of a change or feature as a promise, as if we are children getting a birthday present from mother. So honestly it's reasonable they've growth reticent.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Players treat any mention from the devs of a change or feature as a promise, as if we are children getting a birthday present from mother. So honestly it's reasonable they've growth reticent.

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Devs: "The Chaotic Alliance raid is tuned like an extreme, but due to 24 people involved, the experience will be more like a savage raid."

Players: "OMG, the Chaotic Alliance raid is too hard, it was promised to be between normal and extreme level content!!11oneone"

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'd actually be curious to hear about what they promised and didn't deliver past 2.0?

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Primal skins for SMN was another one. I think there were suppose to be a Leviathan skin and a Ramah skin too.

It maybe has, but at a snails pace, and honestly it's not necessarily something that I would say, because it was posted on the forums.

Their whole vomit of "Please post feedback on the forums", is just to drive up forum activity, more than it is an actual place where they reasonably look at implementing feedback.

If they did, we would have a lot more communication from the developers, or at least thought relaying from them, so that it isn't just endlessly screaming at a void.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

apparently the viper changes were because of the forum...

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The only stuff I'd seen on the forums prior to the changes that were at all related to the changes we got were requests to make the opener status effect a buff (instead of debuff) if that could be rendered less redundant (e.g., by making it a crit buff), with explicit request not to increase its duration per application, threads asking not to make any changes until people got more used to the job and could therefore judge it more fairly, and... a ton of threads asking not to put through the changes mentioned in the patch notes.

Idk if it changed the game......

But it changed my perspective on how weak, soft, and stupid the community of ff14 is, and how toxic positivity is killing ff14 slowly and how part of me wish ppl who can't play lvl 100 content should look for a different game instead of forcing us to play there personalized ff14 experience.

But to the others on forum who have common sense, common understanding, and basic understand skills. It keeps me coping that the community of ff has good ppl. I also met good ppl in game but damn the forum is a wake up call.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I really wish they engaged with us the same way they did between 1.0 and ARR. We were able to have a great dialog with SE, knew the community team by name, really felt like they gave 2 cents about how we felt about certain things and even though a lot of answers boiled down to "wait for 2.0!" and then very little was implemented it was still great to be heard. To be fair a lot, a whole lot, of what was promised was never delivered because they moved on immediately after launch instead of giving us more of what was promised, which upset a lot of us and is why I think Yoshi PR is so tight lipped now. But it really was like we were an ex that was being ghosted almost immediately after ARR launched.

Much like the time between 1.0 and ARR they really need to take a hard look at what Blizzard is doing again esp with their relationship with players, because while it isn't perfect, they really turned it around over there after the problematic dev purge.

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I really wish they'd interact with the community like this again. I can see why they'd be hesitant though considering that many of the criticisms on the forums, though very valid and I agree with almost all of them completely, I have to admit that much of what I've seen here could and should be worded in a way that doesn't come across as completely hostile. Speaking as a musician and an artist, a bit of politeness while delivering clear criticism goes a long way. People just won't give you the time of day, otherwise.

That said the game has a ton of problems and I hope that they start listening soon, for the sake of the game's future, and Square Enix's income (for the executives out there). The thing is they have got to start directly interacting with the community to understand the things that we are saying because I get the feeling that much of it is misunderstood or they are unaware of the magnitude of the game's problems.

They'd be surprised how people would tone it down if they actually interacted with them.