What are your thoughts on 2.0's summoning system?

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Originally Posted by Mijin

I invite you to read the original post where there is no mention whatsoever of the summoner class.

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The post I was quoting from Theplatter mentioned the job, but that's mostly semantics seeing as we're talking about a system here. Summoner as a job has been mentioned before, albeit usually in the larger scope of the system they are conceptualizing. I'm also not only referring to you specifically, there are others who talk about this and reference the job itself, some of them in this thread as well. It's the general attitude amongst those who are concerned about summoning and summoner as a whole that I'm speaking towards, and I'm cautioning against "knowing" that the system will be a pain in the ass until it's proven to be a pain in the ass (probably in the beta) and at which point we can influence it to change.

I had fun w/ my summoner in XI.. But I kinda agree with Yoshi.. after a while, seeing everybody with the same primal summons did kinda cheapen the work it took to achieve them in the first place. The first time you saw Fenrir in XI it was like.. WOW, check out THAT summoner.. after a while, Fenrir was reduced to a Labrador Retriever.. Everybody had one, and used it to hunt.

That said, as long as there are non-primal summons available.. Carbuncle, little elementals and the like.. Then leaving the big summons as server wide seems fine to me.. though I'd still have to see how it plays out in game...

Does the instance move every-time the primal is returned or does the instance stay in the same place in the world? If it does move, is it random, or does it follow a predictable pattern? The moment you make something unique to a server, inevitability the community will find a way to competitively camp it...

Horrible idea, there is not one FF where summoning was hard to Obtain. This notion that they have been cheapened must come from XIII where the summons where godammed transformers and silly stuff like that <.<

Also Garuda is not a goddammed summon, it never was, replace it with alexander or quetzacol and where is shiva ?

It's be cool if they somehow combined Beastmaster and Summoner. Here is what I mean: I think, outside of primals, it'd be cool if you could "tame the soul" or "obtain the soul" of enemies you kill (like FF13) that way everybody could customize to their play style and their likes. Yes I know everyone would eventually have the same creatures to summon but not everyone would have the same ones out :p

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Horrible idea, there is not one FF where summoning was hard to Obtain. This notion that they have been cheapened must come from XIII where the summons where godammed transformers and silly stuff like that <.<

Also Garuda is not a goddammed summon, it never was, replace it with alexander or quetzacol and where is shiva ?

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Lol until you just pointed it out there, I don't think I've ever noticed before that the first FF game where Garuda was used as a summon was XI.

So you're whole linkshell goes out gets the summon spends ages building it's power or whatever.

Then some random ls member soloing inferno tapers or something equally mundane is about die, panics and hits the summon button in an attempt to save his ass.

LOL

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Originally Posted by Dzian

you're whole linkshell goes out gets the summon then some random member who almost died soloing inferno tapers or something equally mundane hits the summon button in an attempt to save his ass.

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ROFL.. I can just see it now..

Um.. Hey, guys.. yeah.. you know... about that Ifrit summon... I had a little issue the other day.

To be honest, even after they supposedly "cleared up" the way the summoning system is going to work, the description is still extremely vague. I think I'll probably wait until they explain it in detail before I decide.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

I hope one on the community reps forwards this thread over to the devs. Considering the response to this seems to be overwhelmingly negative, they may want to rethink their position on this.

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I really do hope so. Considering summoner is a extremely popular class that goes back several years in the series, I feel it's important they get it down just as right as White Mage and Black Mage.

i do feel it cheapen their value to have personal avatar, for example a goat defeating ifrit? lol it looked silly in FFXI and would be here too.
personally i feel summoner class need a fresh approach , why not make the avatar lend their power to the summoner and channel their power through him/her? the summoner get new look and fight physically instead of standing in the back.