Why is FFXIV using rubber bullets in the wild west?

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yeah, It's a pretty big insult to the wild west environment to be honest, they were supposed to be tough people living in a harsh environment. They would've never used rubber bullets to settle anything. period.

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I think you are reading too much into this.

Rubber bullets are an even worse choice for censorship purposes because they have the capacity to seriously maim with lifelong disabilities. They aren't "let's not kill anyone" plot devices.

https://www.healthline.com/health/rubber-bullet-wound

They weren't even introduced until the 1970s which makes them stick out even more as a bizarre choice for a Wild West-inspired duel.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yeah, It's a pretty big insult to the wild west environment to be honest, they were supposed to be tough people living in a harsh environment. They would've never used rubber bullets to settle anything. period.

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They mostly didn't use guns to settle things, that's just hollywood.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I didn't like how juvenile and immature the Dawntrail story was, so I guess that took my attention away from this for a while, but now that I think about it, seriously... what the heck?

I can't even describe how poorly I think of that zone and its people for settling their duels with.... Rubber bullets....

In fact, it's so embarrassing I don't think I've even heard of a case of people doing that IRL throughout history, let alone a video game.

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The rubber bullet thing is real. Not every duel was a blood feud with the loser intended to die so the substitution of non-lethal ammo (not necessarily rubber bullets) would be made. Considering most people get their "history" of the 19th century western US from Hollywood and Hollywood needs drama to sell tickets, it's not surprising most people aren't aware.

But agree that a good chunk of the MSQ was written for immature audiences, which is likely why it doesn't sit well with such a large part of the player base.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The rubber bullet thing is real. Not every duel was a blood feud with the loser intended to die so the substitution of non-lethal ammo (not necessarily rubber bullets) would be made. Considering most people get their "history" of the 19th century western US from Hollywood and Hollywood needs drama to sell tickets, it's not surprising most people aren't aware.

But agree that a good chunk of the MSQ was written for immature audiences, which is likely why it doesn't sit well with such a large part of the player base.

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They weren't even invented until the late 1900's... unless you know something I don't I'm pretty sure rubber bullets didnt exist in the wild west.

There's been a shift in the last couple of years in gaming where developers for some inexplicable reason feel the need to ensure that their games have to be ideologically consistent with what they wish to see in real life. Can't have slavery in a game because it might be seen as an endorsement of it irl, can't have injustice, racism, sexual violence etc. because it might trigger someone. Nothing adult, nothing real, everything has to be idealised and safe. Only black and white, no grey.

Remember going from ARR to HW and getting absolutely shafted? There was no simple solution of just talking it out or solving our differences with tacos. The enemy was competent and we got outplayed, it was unfair, it was frustrating, there was nothing we could do about it, and it was great. We need more of that.

Dawntrail as a whole feels like they wanted to target a younger audience, but that confuses me on two fronts.
1) the audience for the game isn't getting any younger, so why target anyone other than the people who've supported this game this far.
2) This new younger audience still has to make it through the Hydaelyn v Zodiark storyline to get to Dawntrail. Which means they'll see themes of racial prejudice, wartorn refugees, imperialism, slavery, religious dogmatism, warmongering tyrants, attempted genocide, cults of personality, suicide, prostitution, political assassinations, child soldiers, mass death, dismemberment, nihilism, existentialism, and even being forced to end the life of someone you hold dear for the greater good.

This game can get dark in between the cute bunny people, and eccentric inspectors. To see that get downgraded to "I want to be the dawnservant because I like smiling, and I want to see everyone else smile too, because when you smile I smile. So I'll try my best to make everyone happy! Because that's my ninja way. Believe it!" is disappointing, and at times downright insulting (especially because that quote is only a slight exaggeration)

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Originally Posted by Vinter

There's been a shift in the last couple of years in gaming where developers for some inexplicable reason feel the need to ensure that their games have to be ideologically consistent with what they wish to see in real life. Can't have slavery in a game because it might be seen as an endorsement of it irl, can't have injustice, racism, sexual violence etc. because it might trigger someone. Nothing adult, nothing real, everything has to be idealised and safe. Only black and white, no grey.

Remember going from ARR to HW and getting absolutely shafted? There was no simple solution of just talking it out or solving our differences with tacos. The enemy was competent and we got outplayed, it was unfair, it was frustrating, there was nothing we could do about it, and it was great. We need more of that.

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this sums up what I think as well. we don't need a sanitized on rails experience because at that point it's just a propaganda train ride from a dystopian theme park. we need a well crafted fantasy story that is engaging and real.

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

Dawntrail as a whole feels like they wanted to target a younger audience, but that confuses me on two fronts.
1) the audience for the game isn't getting any younger, so why target anyone other than the people who've supported this game this far.
2) This new younger audience still has to make it through the Hydaelyn v Zodiark storyline to get to Dawntrail. Which means they'll see themes of racial prejudice, wartorn refugees, imperialism, slavery, religious dogmatism, warmongering tyrants, attempted genocide, cults of personality, suicide, prostitution, political assassinations, child soldiers, mass death, dismemberment, nihilism, existentialism, and even being forced to end the life of someone you hold dear for the greater good.

This game can get dark in between the cute bunny people, and eccentric inspectors. To see that get downgraded to "I want to be the dawnservant because I like smiling, and I want to see everyone else smile too, because when you smile I smile. So I'll try my best to make everyone happy! Because that's my ninja way. Believe it!" is disappointing, and at times downright insulting (especially because that quote is only a slight exaggeration)

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very true I agree 100%. it doesn't make sense and just takes away from the game. Even if the values of wuk lamat aren't wrong, when purchasing Dawntrail i did so because I wanted more FFXIV not dora the explorer.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

They weren't even introduced until the 1970s which makes them stick out even more as a bizarre choice for a Wild West-inspired duel.

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Yep, about mid-July 1970.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110332977