Dawntrail is so painful; is it on purpose?

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Originally Posted by Zelda206

The biggest irritant so far has been the new wave of Swifty-fans (going to dub them 'Wuklies') shouting at anyone who so much as voices dissent for an obnoxious two-dimensional character like Wuk Lamat. "You're not allowed to have an opinion" and "Your opinion is invalid", "You don't know what you're talking about; stfu" and "Yaaas Queen suh-laaaay". This particular expansion emboldened those folks

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Funny, but with me being ridiculously (possibly unhealthily) into these forums since DT launch day I can say I have probably read most threads regarding Wuk Lamat, and the kind of defenders you describe I have seen rarely if at all. If they have been around, they sure have not gotten any traction because that is not at all the tone in any of these threads.

Are you sure you are not inventing your own enemy to rage against again, because you yourself are emboldened by the prospect that you'll find easy allies to agree on disliking a certain character for another kind of reasons?

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Originally Posted by juicybug

its sort of like playing through stormblood cept more annoying which i didnt think was possible
none of the scions except graha were written with even a slick of personality, theyre just there bc familiar.

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To be fair to Stormblood, the parts in Othard and Stormblood Post were pretty solid. It was just Ala Mhigo which kind of sucked.

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Originally Posted by pclarkson85

I'm just noticing this as well but is every zone just a remix of the opening track? I use to love FFXIV OST in other expansions but now all Im hearing is that one song in different tempos am I crazy? I know they've done it it before with other main themes but this seems really excessive.

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This is called "leitmotifs" and its been a thing in FF games forever and ever.

It's been a thing in music since classical opera invented it.

Its a combination of having almost as many cutscenes as Endwalker, but in a scenario where theres very low stakes, little action and arguably less enjoyable cast. There is just way too many cutscenes now and they need new methods of narrating the story actively.

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

Funny, but with me being ridiculously (possibly unhealthily) into these forums since DT launch day I can say I have probably read most threads regarding Wuk Lamat, and the kind of defenders you describe I have seen rarely if at all. If they have been around, they sure have not gotten any traction because that is not at all the tone in any of these threads.

Are you sure you are not inventing your own enemy to rage against again, because you yourself are emboldened by the prospect that you'll find easy allies to agree on disliking a certain character for another kind of reasons?

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That's because they are mostly on Twitter and Reddit, where any criticism of the trash fire that is Wuk are immediately attacked.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

This is called "leitmotifs" and its been a thing in FF games forever and ever.

It's been a thing in music since classical opera invented it.

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Doesnt make it good. The music is all a disorganized mess.

my motivation to keep playing is at an all time low. The story is so poxxed now. They basically pulled a district 9 with solution 9. we don't see any political fallout like that film through. we get a child king with the nuke codes and a city of stupid npc meme people put on the source. the new raid series shows just how screwed up it is.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

This is called "leitmotifs" and its been a thing in FF games forever and ever.

It's been a thing in music since classical opera invented it.

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I’ve seen a few complaints about the music and use of leitmotifs in Dawntrail and I just think to myself ‘how did you guys get through the last 13 games lol’, it’s extremely on-brand. Like 90% of FF13’s soundtrack incorporates Serah’s Theme/The Promise (exaggerating obv but it’s present in a ton of the compositions lol).

On topic though I did feel like Dawntrail’s story itself felt like a real ‘pain’ lol. Like rolling a Boulder up a hill and it falls back down every time it gets halfway up. You labour away doing all of Wuk Lamat’s boring errands and the reward is like, she takes all the credit while you stand there silently. And it took such a ridiculous time to unlock dungeons I was constantly 2 levels above every dungeon by the time I unlocked it, and that was solely through story quest exp.
It’s like they saw the boring filler crap sidequests from ff16 and were like ‘we can do better’ and put them in ffxiv’s main story just to spite the critics

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Originally Posted by Catwho

This is called "leitmotifs" and its been a thing in FF games forever and ever.

It's been a thing in music since classical opera invented it.

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I did say I know they used it in past; my issue was the feeling of it being excessive. They always use the hell out of the main themes but hearing in every city in every zone is horrible. There was always more soundtracks than just this

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Originally Posted by pclarkson85

Did the devs go out of their way to make this so painful and unfun to play? I'm mainly talking about the MSQ here, I'm 94 and I've done one dungeon, and one solo event... the rest has been walking back and forth listening to NPCs that's it!

I wasn't expecting some epic thing, I knew after Endwalker we were slowing down a bit but I was just made to click a "destination" point 3 times to wait, this can't be what suffices as a MSQ quest.
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second dungeon is 93, along with trial, and I agree way too much destination clicking. Big story starts happening right before the 95 dungeon and the overall speed increases greatly until u u get to 1 zone which is the only one where I personally feel they missed the mark. Right before and then after the 97 dungeon where it just gets more and more into what your used to with 14. It a lore building expansion. It's a new world all together, they want u to form relationships with npc's, learn how things work, and get to know the land. Which is what they have to do in a new world. if they rushed you through it, you would know none of the important facts and people and have no relationships with them. When they become important later on. since your lvl 94 your either doing roulettes, or side content cause otherwise you would be at the second dungeon by now. Story is made to go through without doing side stuff at the start. You are welcome to but intended just to go through as far as progression and xp gains. Doing side stuff is going to make a slow starting story even slower, as well as have you greatly out lvl the story. I would just focus on the msq and stop doing the side stuff till your lvling a second job. lvl 95 dungeon related story is fantastic and well built, and has a lot of information that is very important, and really builds on the lore of many of the characters that you have been introduced to so far. I burned through the story in a day and half, skipped 0 cutscenes, and I found some areas slow, some areas amazing, some areas not my cup of tea Which is how I feel just about every expansion. But this is far less of a slog than ARR every was, as someone who played in 1.0 and 2.0 you know this. ARR was far worse on the destination quest, fetch quest, slow moving at times, I mean those zones were massive and not having quest anywhere near teleports so traveling took forever. ect. Over all the story is great. the problem imo is the pacing. A lot of these people complaining have admitted to not watching cutscenes over and over, and only watching cutscenes that only have voice acting. So they are missing so many details about the story. Don't be tricked by the forums. There are other forums and things out there talking about how many people enjoyed it, and how these people are being over dramatic. They stopped watching the story when it was slow. And then fast forwarded through all the good parts once it picked up., and then called the entire expansion bad.