Reintroduce Maat in 2.0

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Had to laugh at this:

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I am sorry but my post didn't even slightly come across as that.. you need to learn how to troll better poor ole chap, and maybe stay on topic, your post was as relevant as shit on flies dude.

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Originally Posted by SynysterBlitz

your post was as relevant as shit on flies dude.

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What is this I don't even

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

What is this I don't even

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exactly my point..

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It was a sign of skill. If you sucked at your job you will not beat Maat. The only exceptions would be THF which is purely luck based and WHM due to SE forgetting about Repose being low level rather than high.

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Let's get this straight; Al is right. Beating Maat isn't a sign of skill. Beating Maat means you got over the speedbump in order to progress to level cap. And as far as I know, the only jobs that need 'skill' to beat Maat might be WHM, BLM, and RDM.
Maat was nothing more than an obstacle in your way towards grinding to cap and it meant going out of your way to farm a testimony for days, THEN probably borrowing millions of gil to buy pots, scrolls, and anything else that might help you beat him. And easily enough, it was a simple task for anyone with a decently-geared DD job to run him the hell over.

I beat Maat on my SAM, as SAM was my first 75 job. What happened?
Meditate to full. Eat a mithkabob. Enter.
Hit Meikyo Shisui, and kill him with WS before even completing a skillchain.
Is that a test of skill? No, it was a waste of several days of farming and preparation, and a waste of gil.

Just because FFXIV is going to pull from other FF titles as inspiration doesn't mean that people will be able to suggest ANYTHING be put into it from any other title. We should be pulling the best aspects of FFXI, if any at all - especially in terms of actual content, and things like armor or weapon upgrades. Maat doesn't count.

You can sugarcoat it all you like, Elexia, but you're probably the only one willing to say Maat was 'fun.'
He was nothing more than a timesink, and a gilsink. Oh, you didn't beat Maat? Time to recruit your level 75 friends to go farm more items and a testimony for 3 more days! /cheer

Don't get me wrong; I'm not against level cap quests entirely. But it should be fun things, like going to kill an NM or do a small quest that actually matters. Maat doesn't count.

tl;dr Maat was stupid, and OP's reasoning is laughable

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Originally Posted by Yucie

Let's get this straight; Al is right. Beating Maat isn't a sign of skill.

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That's subjective. For me (BLM) it was. :D

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That's subjective. For me (BLM) it was. :D

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Even more skill to beat him with RDM (pre-CoP as I said)

I had friends who fought him as BRD, PLD, and SAM... none of them ever thought it was much of a fight. So it's really a matter of perspective.

Also, SE really should have better balanced those battles out.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That's subjective. For me (BLM) it was. :D

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THF was my first 75. No skill required. ^_^ b

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

This is not FF11

we DO NOT need Maat

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We don't NEED anything.
How about that?! Throw away the stupid game right now! WHO NEEDS ANYTHING AT ALL?!

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Originally Posted by Vingtdeux

They should find something else than Maat, it can be original.

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Why? Why can we not have Maat, but the Crystal Tower, Magitek, and Materia are all A-OK? Why is any reference to the other Final Fantasy so damn toxic?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

and OP: What the hell business is it of yours if casuals reach a certain level or not? WTF is with the hate? It's not like you have to play with them.

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Being at a certain level implies you have certain knowledge on how to play a job/class. However, because you can just easily solo to it now you can just rely on a few techniques that you might not fully understand. Having a character to 'test' how you play before you can move on is a good thing.

This is a team based game. Being able to learn how to play a job and contribute well to a party is necessary to take part in it. You can easily say: "well I'm paying for it with my money, I should be able to play however I want" and that's fine and dandy, but if you're just diking around and half-assing it, you're taking enjoyment away from others in your team who really want to do a good job. You have to take others into account and learn how to be a part of a team in these kind of games.

You don't need to 'rush' to the final level to experience and enjoy a game, especially if you're not getting experience with your jobs proper game mechanics.

I don't want to fight Maat again in XIV. I saw enough of him in XI.

I'd much rather have something new.

I thought I read somewhere on the JP forums that in 2.0 you will have to beat Ifrit Extreme to get over the lvl 50 cap.

Edited: To add ;-)