We need to compromise as a player base

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

In this case, conservatism would be preventing the game from taking a step back
how could this ever be considered a "graphical upgrade"
https://i.imgur.com/HQIhQdg.png

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This is a weird one, I can't speak to different lighting or movement etc obviously but as presented in those two pictures the Dawntrail one is objectively worse graphically, regardless of what one might think of style or precise character elements. It has no depth and just looks like a store-front mannequin with a face painted on the front, dunno wth is going on there.

I guess it wouldn't be the officials without some armchair programmers/artists/designers coming out ot the woodwork to tell people giving honest feedback that they need to shut up and take whatever slop SE puts on their plate.
Counter-feedback threads getting made to try to refute feedback players are giving, threads about how there's too many feedback threads.
It gets so tiring after a while.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Everyone see things differently.
Personally I think the left one looks more like that awkward smile people can do.

https://i.imgur.com/avlNiSJ.png

Where to the right I can clearly see that it's supposed to be a smile.
To each their own.

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That's nice. But I've seen so many other people who play face 2 au ra make the same complaint. The duckface thing is weird and offputting. Should the fem elezen joker smile also not be fixed? It looks bugged.

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

This is a weird one, I can't speak to different lighting or movement etc obviously but as presented in those two pictures the Dawntrail one is objectively worse graphically

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I agree with that.
It feels to me that there are things missing in the Benchmark, like how the light and shadows work.
At least in CC.
I'm sure that if the light and shadows looked the same it would help improve with the overall visual of the new updates.

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Originally Posted by Nebty

That's nice. But I've seen so many other people who play face 2 au ra make the same complaint. The duckface thing is weird and offputting. Should the fem elezen joker smile also not be fixed? It looks bugged.

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Did I say that it should not get fixed? Or did I just give my own impression of said "joker smile"?

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

In this case, conservatism would be preventing the game from taking a step back
how could this ever be considered a "graphical upgrade"
https://i.imgur.com/HQIhQdg.png

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I don't trust screenshots from the character creator. Here's a technical explanation of why I think this happens: there's two ways to illuminate a surface, direct lighting and indirect lighting (all the parts not hit directly by a light source). The later is very expensive and complex to simulate and in the olden days it was very crudely approximated by what was called "ambient lighting", an omnipresent, constant amount of light applied to anything not directly hit by a light source.

Now when it comes to skin, it is translucent, so part of the light that hits the skin gets inside, bounces around and comes back out some distance away. This is called sub surface scattering and is what gives skin a softer lighting than hard surfaces. It is part of the indirect lighting that affects skin (the other part is light bouncing around the environment aka global illumination). Modern games, including dawntrail, approximate the effect of sub surface scattering. But it means that it does a part of the job that ambient lighting did before, so the later has to be toned down.

And I don't think the necessary tweaks have been done in the character creator background scenes (yet), because they look unchanged in general compared to the live game.

I get the transition didn't land right with some people but calling for a total rollback would be the height of folly. For my part, I think I've mostly been winning with the graphical updates, since many of the things I found jarring about my femroe are finally fixed. Things like the weird coloring of the lips, the HORRENDOUS ears, pale eye shadow.

Current
https://i.imgur.com/oX6GMsA.png

Benchmark
https://i.imgur.com/SkxJVVL.png

And from what I've seen so far, the fairer skin colors have been the ones to win the most with the upgrade.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Did I say that it should not get fixed? Or did I just give my own impression of said "joker smile"?

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Then I'm not quite sure why you thought your input was needed. I understand that you don't think it's a big deal, but a lot of folks who play this face immediately noticed the difference and objected to it.

People want certain things back and I see no reason why we can't have those added back as extra options and the current looks be kept as well. I don't expect next expansion to have another new race, I hope they take the time to add more options to existing races from now on.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

People want certain things back and I see no reason why we can't have those added back as extra options and the current looks be kept as well. I don't expect next expansion to have another new race, I hope they take the time to add more options to existing races from now on.

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I'm not waiting till 8.0 with my character looking like this.