Final fantasy xiv 1.23b server relaunch?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So 1.0 failed because everything was bad. That's what you are saying lol.

And I wasn't expecting things to be handed to me. I was expecting to be able to make any progression after 2 weeks of trying.

But the community based XI failed me. That's all I'm saying.

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1. No, the graphics and concept weren't bad. I will concede poorly optimized, but again, technical execution issue.

2. Quite frankly if you couldn't get anywhere after 2 weeks that's a you problem. Plenty of noobs were already Jeuno by then. You were doing something wrong. If this were the case the game would've never gotten popular.

3. And here it is. You are blaming others for your problems. I can't say what caused you to fail but this doesn't look good already.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

1. No, the graphics and concept weren't bad.

2. Quite frankly if you couldn't get anywhere after 2 weeks that's a you problem. Plenty of noobs were already Jeuno by then. You were doing something wrong. If this were the case the game would've never gotten popular.

3. And here it is. You are blaming others for your problems. I can't say what caused you to fail but this doesn't look good already.

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I was a warrior. I was in the dunes shouting for parties, both making and asking to join.

Not much else I could have done. The linkshells I was in had people who had already gotten out and didn't want to go back. II spent whole days during that 2 weeks trying to level, and I got maybe to 18 or 19. This was almost 20 years ago lol.





I'm not blaming others, I'm using what others say the game was to refute my experience. Isnt that the same as the "gcbtw" meme people use for XIV?



As for 1.0, the concept was great, and most of that concept got removed before launch. Launchers originally were planned to have a greater range, archers and thaumaturges could combine abilities to make fire arrows.





What we got was not a good concept and was going nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I was a warrior. I was in the dunes shouting for parties, both making and asking to join.



Not much else I could have done. The linkshells I was in had people who had already gotten out and didn't want to go back.



I'm not blaming others, I'm using what others say the game was to refute my experience. Isnt that the same as the "gcbtw" meme people use for XIV?

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Yeah that sounds about right, but if that was the truth in peak XI why didn't it immediately die? I started playing a couple of years after the game launched and made it just fine as a RDM, before level sync was implemented even (which granted, was necessary probably to people having a harder time like you seem to have had) But my joining late didn't stop me from having a blast.

And the GCBTW is a meme and so theres hint of truth to it, but you know well an MMO has a ton of different people and just like most of XIV isn't a GCBTW member generally XI wasn't without it's huge amount of helpful people either. You are always bound to run into some bad apples and then people stereotype the heck out of the game.

It was made on an engine that they couldn't work with which was the whole reason they made ARR.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yeah that sounds about right, but if that was the truth in peak XI why didn't it immediately die? I started playing a couple of years after the game launched and made it just fine as a RDM, before level sync was implemented even (which granted, was necessary probably to people having a harder time like you seem to have had) But my joining late didn't stop me from having a blast.

And the GCBTW is a meme and so theres hint of truth to it, but you know well an MMO has a ton of different people and just like most of XIV isn't a GCBTW member generally XI wasn't without it's huge amount of helpful people either. You are always bound to run into some bad apples and then people stereotype the heck out of the game.

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It didn't immediately die because it had a group that loved it, but it never really grew, likely because of the way the game functions. Unless you know people or have a group to play with, you can't get anywhere. I couldn't find a group to play with. I'm not saying I only played the game for 2 weeks. I spent 2 weeks specifically in the dunes trying. I played for more than those 2 weeks, trying to figure the game out and how to play.


I'm not trying to say XI is a bad game. But a lot of people talk up the community as always helpful and everyone who needs anything has people jumping to help, and that was not my experience. The game is touted as one that relies on a community to make any progression, but the downside to this is of you aren't on the in with that community, you have the experience I did.

Look I understand you didn't click with the game. Claiming that it was a "bad game" just because you personally had a few weeks of bad luck is one thing, but trying to claim that FFXI is a "failed game" that was somehow kept alive for 20 years by a handful of stubborn holdouts is just beyond asinine

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There were between 200,000 and 300,000 active players daily in 2006.[118] As of August 2006, the Xbox 360 version was the sixth most played game on Xbox Live.[119] As of 2008, the game had 500,000 subscribers.[120] By June 2012, Final Fantasy XI became the most profitable title in the Final Fantasy series.[64] While many MMOs have switched to some form of free-to-play model, the base monthly subscription price point for Final Fantasy XI has remained the same at $11.95 since its debut in 2002

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Now keep in mind that this was while competing with WoW and several other MMOs at the top of their game and the peak of the industry competition, as well as the market itself being much smaller, so less players overall to go around and many more quality games for them to choose from. Right now XIV only has a severely damaged WoW and nothing else current for MMO players to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It didn't immediately die because it had a group that loved it, but it never really grew, likely because of the way the game functions. Unless you know people or have a group to play with, you can't get anywhere. I couldn't find a group to play with. I'm not saying I only played the game for 2 weeks. I spent 2 weeks specifically in the dunes trying. I played for more than those 2 weeks, trying to figure the game out and how to play.


I'm not trying to say XI is a bad game. But a lot of people talk up the community as always helpful and everyone who needs anything has people jumping to help, and that was not my experience. The game is touted as one that relies on a community to make any progression, but the downside to this is of you aren't on the in with that community, you have the experience I did.

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I agree with some of your points here, except the one of growth. Clearly it grew enough to be so damn profitable XIV couldn't take the crown until 2021.

"At a recent media event where members of the press and influencer community got to go hands-on with the new Endwalker expansion (check our preview here), Final Fantasy XIV producer and director, Naoki Yoshida revealed some pretty big news. Final Fantasy XIV has officially become the most profitable title in series history, finally taking the mantle from its older brother and fellow MMORPG, Final Fantasy XI."

I would just like to see a way to look at the story of 1.23 without having to play 1.23 and without going to YouTube.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I agree with some of your points here, except the one of growth. Clearly it grew enough to be so damn profitable XIV couldn't take the crown until 2021.

"At a recent media event where members of the press and influencer community got to go hands-on with the new Endwalker expansion (check our preview here), Final Fantasy XIV producer and director, Naoki Yoshida revealed some pretty big news. Final Fantasy XIV has officially become the most profitable title in series history, finally taking the mantle from its older brother and fellow MMORPG, Final Fantasy XI."

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My guess is they are talking about total profits, not yearly ones. It would definitely take XIV a while to become more profitable than XI, considering 1.0 almost bankrupted the company. It had to work through that mess first to become profitable, before it could work on taking that from XI.



As for the growth comment, I think XI peaked at 500000 subs, and we don't know for XIV because companies have stopped reporting that. It was sustainable, as evidenced by its continued support, but it's also a mainline final fantasy title, and we know how they feel about letting one of those be seen as failed (just look at XIV for that)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

My guess is they are talking about total profits, not yearly ones. It would definitely take XIV a while to become more profitable than XI, considering 1.0 almost bankrupted the company. It had to work through that mess first to become profitable, before it could work on taking that from XI.



As for the growth comment, I think XI peaked at 500000 subs, and we don't know for XIV because companies have stopped reporting that. It was sustainable, as evidenced by its continued support, but it's also a mainline final fantasy title, and we know how they feel about letting one of those be seen as failed (just look at XIV for that)

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If it did that would've been an insane growth achievement. People needed the game and an additional modem and hard drive to even play the game. Dial up was still around in some places and the internet as a whole wasn't a necessity like it is today. Smartphones weren't even a big thing. So comparing it to a modern day MMO isn't really applicable.

Anyways, nothing we've discussed here has pointed to the game being anything other than a resounding success with a few people who didn't like it. It seems to me it's good remake material. If they've remastered other FFs surely its previously most profitable one also deserves to be remastered. That's all I'm gonna say.