Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I never said they weren't? Just that most of them aren't ruining the game. A dress mod impacts literally nothing about your own gameplay experience yet you lumped it together with zoom hacking.

Are they against the ToS? Yes. I never said otherwise. FFlogs and ACT always have been and the dev team has done nothing about them except to say don't mention them publicly. That policy isn't going to change today, tomorrow or when 7.0 drops.

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Ever since there's been ways to share cosmetic mods it kind of has, but that's a completely different topic and not really relevant to this one.

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Originally Posted by DivineP

So it's fair the PC users can use add-ons and PlayStation users can't?

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Bluntly honest because you need the reality dose: as hard as the team works to make things as fair between pc and PlayStation from a vanilla standpoint, pc will always have the advantage due to the potential of addons.

So yes, pc has the advantage. No, life isn’t fair, that’s the reality of it.

Well, in the same post, he also acknowleges the part of the community that is tackling the content without using such egregious tools. "[...] please know that the Development and Operations teams take notice of all your passion", he said. So I don't believe we have anything to worry about when it comes to the future of Ultimates.

Which is not to say there won't be consequences. People should know better at this point. I think we can all agree that Square Enix doesn't handle this subject in the best way possible, but their stance is very clear.

They already confessed stop talking about it. I hope they stop acknowlegde World First anymore. It isn't good for this kind of drama. They should not announcement anything like this in the future. They feed community too much about world first. I don't think this kind of official announcement gonna make this game better.

People become greedy and want senpai to notice them but yeah this is second time now. Second time from staffs to not stop 3rd party. In DRS, it was totally bad. I still remember RDM clip on youtube and he used every mods in this game to win DRS. This time is same but problems aren't only people who uses 3rd party. It is from lack of anti cheat system. They don't do anything about game launcher and system. It's literally their faults too. Lack of protecting.

Like unwanted child gonna birth because you forget to put condom. Same as unwanted 3rd party gonna birth because you don't put protection.

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Originally Posted by DivineP

Yoshis has just took his stance on ALL add-ons, he wants you to experience his game as published. He's said he reads stuff for feedback, so.. :)

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His stance has never changed. He's always been against third party tools yet has allowed them to exist within a grey area. They are still prohibited and can lead to temporary or perma-bans if mentioned in game. That has and always been the rule. Nothing has changed.

That doesn't mean plugins or ACT are going anywhere nor does it mean Square Enix will implement some sort of DRM to detect them. Therefore, they have no way of knowing whether you have any installed unless you make it blatantly obvious. Everything will continue exactly as it did before.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Ever since there's been ways to share cosmetic mods it kind of has, but that's a completely different topic and not really relevant to this one.

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Mare doesn't affect your gameplay though. Sure, you may want those mods but nothing about your gameplay changes whether you can see someone else wearing a modded outfit or not.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah. At this point, SE should probably adapt and evolve instead of guilt tripping the player base every time mods and add-ons are brought up. Adding some requested features would benefit everyone. Many add-ons exist because the player base feels that various aspects of the game are lacking and could be improved. WoW officially has addons and yet mythic raiding world first races are viewed as an exciting event. Maybe not to me, but I get the appeal. At the end of the day, it comes down to game design. Improve the design and lessen the need for mods and add-ons, or just make add-ons official, and the problem solves itself.

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Too bad that direction went so far to the extreme with having the dev team RELY on plugins to even program and create those raids when that shit should be completeable out of the box in the game. Why design something that requires you to download something outside of itself in order to do it? Its complete and total bs and the dev team over there does nothing about it, nor cares to implement those plugins into their base game.

This is why addon usage in an MMO space is either take it or leave it, it cant have a middle-ground. Its honestly sad how desperate Yoshida wants to find this middle-ground where you honestly just cant ever feasibly do. It why we have such drama like this EVERY. DAMN. SINGLE. RAID.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

His stance has never changed. He's always been against third party tools yet has allowed them to exist within a grey area. They are still prohibited and can lead to temporary or perma-bans if mentioned in game. That has and always been the rule. Nothing has changed.

That doesn't mean plugins or ACT are going anywhere nor does it mean Square Enix will implement some sort of DRM to detect them. Therefore, they have no way of knowing whether you have any installed unless you make it blatantly obvious. Everything will continue exactly as it did before.



Mare doesn't affect your gameplay though. Sure, you may want those mods but nothing about your gameplay changes whether you can see someone else wearing a modded outfit or not.

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It does. It's a complicated topic, and even if I hash everything out you likely won't acknowledge it but... the easiest way to sum it up is that it's an issue with inclusivity and the general community.

It doesn't affect your gameplay overall, especially not in the sense of any combat but it does impact the gameplay.

But again, it's not really relevant to the topic of world firsts.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Oh man they're looking for even more excuses to not add content lmao

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not really, just means they'll focus more attention into other parts of the game rather than the 1% few who do Ultimates whom all just cheat anyway.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Mare doesn't affect your gameplay though. Sure, you may want those mods but nothing about your gameplay changes whether you can see someone else wearing a modded outfit or not.

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Interestingly, access to clothing mods can affect gameplay. With the right mods, certain mobs become invisible or untargetable. Or they become bigger. Being able to differentiate different adds in raids could be really useful.

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Originally Posted by BaroLlyonesse

Interestingly, access to clothing mods can affect gameplay. With the right mods, certain mobs become invisible or untargetable. Or they become bigger. Being able to differentiate different adds in raids could be really useful.

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That's upto the developers to do that, not mods.

Tbh, with what Yoshi said, I'd be abit annoyed too. All your doing is abusing his developers art!