Is the new Ultimate too hard?

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

World first clear people need to turn to illegal stuff, so I would guess so... just because one team got caught, does not mean the rest did or do not still use stuff like this... it just make one ask one self questions about those people.

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here's the thing these sociopaths won't because they see it as ok...

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

There were millions of complaints about DSR being too hard. It was and it's still one of the biggest static breaker we've had in the game.
So much that the general reaction to Yoshi-P's claim that they didn't intend to make anything harder than that was a sigh of relief, even from the most hardcore part of the community.



It took longer to clear TOP than it did to clear DSR, by the way, with twice the amount of pulls necessary.

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Not DSR, actually. Someone incorrectly said it took two weeks to clear.

UWU: 6/10/2017 (5 days)
UCOB: 11/4/2017 (11 days)
TEA: 11/19/2019 (7 days)
DSR: 5/2/2022 (6 days)
TOP: 2/1/2023 (8 days)

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

World first clear people need to turn to illegal stuff,

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They didn't need to turn to cheat to beat it. They turned to cheating because they wanted to be word first.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

They didn't need to turn to cheat to beat it. They turned to cheating because they wanted to be word first.

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Nearly every raid team in the game is "cheating." Third-party tool usage has increased exponentially since ARR, although it wasn't unheard of back then. The majority of players do not raid for the challenge - it's for the clout. This rings true from EX, to savage, and all the way up to Ultimate.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Nearly every raid team in the game is "cheating." Third-party tool usage has increased exponentially since ARR, although it wasn't unheard of back then. The majority of players do not raid for the challenge - it's for the clout. This rings true from EX, to savage, and all the way up to Ultimate.

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My thoughts exactly. Nobody cares about the intended challenges anymore, clearly thats been the case ever since people started using addons. People always seek an easy way out when the game doesnt accommodate to their "needs"

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

They do need to figure something out to make them more enjoyable to watch. Not gonna draw people in if it looks miserable. And if it doesn't help bring in new players I cannot see it being worth the dev time involved for how little engagement it gets.

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This is one of the worst games to watch ngl lmao.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

This is one of the worst games to watch ngl lmao.

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It might actually be even more boring than watching WoW arenas and M+.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Nearly every raid team in the game is "cheating." Third-party tool usage has increased exponentially since ARR, although it wasn't unheard of back then. The majority of players do not raid for the challenge - it's for the clout. This rings true from EX, to savage, and all the way up to Ultimate.

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Not arguing this take is right or wrong, but it wasn't my point nor the point I was countering. The point was people never "need" to, they just "want" to. The reason why they "want" to is irrelevant since it's the same difference. As a reminder, the poster I was replying to "the top team needs to cheat to be world as proof the content is too hard", which is what I disagree with.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Nobody cares about the intended challenges anymore

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I wish people use quantifier like Everybody or Nobody with more care, 'cause that's a bold claim to make. There are still a large section of people playing on console meaning they can't cheat even if they want to, and not everyone on PC would cheat. Those two points alone would easily dismiss the veracity of the "nobody" claim. Overgeneralize never help to make a point.

I think you should begin by clearing P8S before worrying about this ultimate being too hard. It's only going to get easier over time

ultimates will never be "too hard"