RMTs are starting to bother me...

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06-12-2012, 12:31 PM
ArkNova

lol yes that makes a lot of sense thank you for clarifying it.
06-13-2012, 12:13 AM
NationOfZealots

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Seconding Lady Lover's explanation.

Credit card fraud is mucho big time with RMT (stolen, falsified info, chargebacks, floating CCs). Where Click and Buy may have been a pain in the a$$, it's the price of security. ClickandBuy gave merchants a greater peace of mind that items or services purchased are purchased with legitimate funds. (validation requirements may have increased overtime due to fraud)

But seeing as the RMT suspects are present in the game, they must have found a hole in the defenses (most likely not with CaC).

See this would mean Square Enix is breaking some sort of law/s in accepting proceeds of crime (stolen accounts/CC etc) regardless of if they need the money to fix this sad game...

Reporting RMT botters to SE isn't working, law enforcement is needed. Most jurisdictions have online intel agencies against cyber crime now and SE is really doing nothing at all, I see the same botters all the time too and nothing gets done, I'm just more pissed about that they are hurting the economy, rather than seeing trains choo chooing everywhere.

Even wikipedia says SE banned thousands of accounts in XI but Yoshida-kun needs to stop this "every other MMO does it" attitude and get rid of these bastards and clear this game up, I'm tired of trying to promote this game to my friends when no one at SE can get it right.

How about we stop with all the needless vain updates and focus on structural fixes like instant bot removal? Keyboard mash names are just a kick in SE's teeth since they have been getting away with it knowing SE is so irresponsible to do anything...they treat it as a non-issue and hardly/never refer to it in these stupid producer letters.
06-13-2012, 12:22 AM
Koroma_tanuki

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

I doubt RMT would use stolen credit cards. It's a legitimate business. Using stolen credit cards would just get them in trouble seeing as the profit they make has to be claimed. Most of them are just people like you and me trying to make a few extra bucks.

a legitimate business? you mean aside from the Illegal part?
06-13-2012, 12:27 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Koroma_tanuki

a legitimate business? you mean aside from the Illegal part?

Well in their country its not against the law.
06-13-2012, 12:33 AM
KoujiGeki

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Originally Posted by NationOfZealots

See this would mean Square Enix is breaking some sort of law/s in accepting proceeds of crime (stolen accounts/CC etc) regardless of if they need the money to fix this sad game...

Reporting RMT botters to SE isn't working, law enforcement is needed. Most jurisdictions have online intel agencies against cyber crime now and SE is really doing nothing at all, I see the same botters all the time too and nothing gets done, I'm just more pissed about that they are hurting the economy, rather than seeing trains choo chooing everywhere.

Even wikipedia says SE banned thousands of accounts in XI but Yoshida-kun needs to stop this "every other MMO does it" attitude and get rid of these bastards and clear this game up, I'm tired of trying to promote this game to my friends when no one at SE can get it right.

How about we stop with all the needless vain updates and focus on structural fixes like instant bot removal? Keyboard mash names are just a kick in SE's teeth since they have been getting away with it knowing SE is so irresponsible to do anything...they treat it as a non-issue and hardly/never refer to it in these stupid producer letters.

The are working at the structural fix, and focusing on it, its called 2.0. I dont support RMT but right now those people are helping by funding the game itself. And to say that the RMT are monopolizing things, can i ask what they are? Cause there are hardly any world NMs that even drop that much useful stuff anymore, There arent farming spots like in 11 that only 1 person could get at a time, and besides leves give you your own spots. and 90% of anything else comes from instanced areas. Double melded gear? Do you not really have a craft leveled yourself or know anyone that can craft cause i know a few people who seem to easily double meld stuff somehow, that not aim to be an attack mind you. But i mean like i was in the ward looking for a new hammer to buy for my armorer and i saw 2 one was 36k the other 200k both NQ. I was sitting there why is that one so much think, maybe its got like 15 Vit which is the main stat for Armorers main hand. Nope its 1 Str which is for its stat for secondary, and i knew the person who was selling it. Its imo people like that who ruin the economy. Who think 1 useless stat should make the item cost 100x more than its worth.

Ps. I dont care if they Banned them after 2.0. Just for now use the money that they giving to SE.
06-13-2012, 01:27 AM
Ingolf

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Originally Posted by Koroma_tanuki

a legitimate business? you mean aside from the Illegal part?

What part of it is illegal?
06-13-2012, 01:42 AM
KoujiGeki

Well its not Legitimate cause they technically arent doing the work themselves they are using bots. And as for the Credit Card stuff, if your that retarded to give out credit card info...... And then again whose worse the RMTs or the people who buy from them. Cause if they didnt have people who buy from them they get no profit.

and how is SE gonna stop these Armies of Lalafells whose numbers seem endless.
06-13-2012, 02:42 AM
Dragon

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Originally Posted by Koroma_tanuki

a legitimate business? you mean aside from the Illegal part?

Legal =! Legitimate.
06-13-2012, 05:01 AM
Ingolf

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

Well its not Legitimate cause they technically arent doing the work themselves they are using bots. And as for the Credit Card stuff, if your that retarded to give out credit card info...... And then again whose worse the RMTs or the people who buy from them. Cause if they didnt have people who buy from them they get no profit.

and how is SE gonna stop these Armies of Lalafells whose numbers seem endless.

How is it illegitimate because they're using bots? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get busted because of that. It's the equivalent of using a program to expedite a process.
06-13-2012, 05:33 AM
KoujiGeki

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

How is it illegitimate because they're using bots? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get busted because of that. It's the equivalent of using a program to expedite a process.

well using a third party mechanic does breach the ToS for SE. And you can be busted for that, IF SE knew who was using it.

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