PvP is simply garbage

so much hate and name calling so much for pvp will come back after all the smoke clears.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

I don't know, it feels like I am the only one, but the amount of CCs or the server tick rates don't bother me as much because it's stuff that affects everyone, so eventually you learn to accept it and try to work around it.

My issue with FFXIV PVP is mostly the players. Yes, the whole "git gud" argument. I feel like there is this mindset in FFXIV that you don't need to always do your best and perform at a high level. That's fine if you're doing leveling roulettes, but when in a competitive environment like PvP, you're damn right you should aim to improve and do your very best. The game also reinforces that mindset by not forcing people to improve (Frontlines XP on losses, winstreak bonuses in CC, no de-ranking).

I find frontlines extremely fun when they are community-events with 72 people who know what they are doing. Crystalline Conflict where everyone does decent damage and there are no extremely weak players are super fun as well. PVP could be fun if it paired people of similar skill together more accurately.

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Refreshing to see a post like this in all the negativity. Tbh though, true, server ticks and CC effects everyone, but it's still too annoying imo. Server ticks are probably more of a problem for players with high ping, cause the request-response cycle is way harder to predict, and probably becomes more apparent and demotivating.

Main problem in PvP atm is the server ticks/lag/whatever. It would be a blast to actually have resilience work as intended and not go "wtf" 50% of the time.

But totally agree that there is a mindset problem among players that comes from the over-the-top-EZ-everyones-a-hero-pve. I recognize a lot of players that have been consistently good since ARR. No matter how crappy or how good PvP have been designed.

Pre 6.1 PvP was better imo. Not all classes were DPS back then. PvP feels like it's designed for a FPS game now, and is even further separated from PvE. Ever since they did that back in stormblood I've lost almost all interest in PvE, which is basically learning a new dance for each boss.

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

How much teamwork and seriousness were you expecting from a game mode where your only form of communication is a handful of useless preset phrases? Why bother trying in such an awful environment that does nothing but foster resentment and rage?

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Irony being they did that to prevent "toxicity" from letting people actually communicate.

I'll say it again. There was a time when these threads would be deleted and the op banned. Sometimes I wish those times would come back.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

I'll say it again. There was a time when these threads would be deleted and the op banned. Sometimes I wish those times would come back.

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They're a bit harsh, sure, but there is nothing wrong with the OP or title, PvP is garbage, even without factoring the abhorrent balancing and poor handling of CCs. I don't expect much understanding from the guy who has an entire thread whining about one of the best jobs in the mode not being flawless though.

It's a nonsense thread with one actionable piece of feedback couched in a dozen insults and a sprinkling of outright factually incorrect statements. It's not "a bit harsh", it's a sparkling example of a particularly outdated brand of toxicity. If someone told me the language in the OP was copied from the WoW forums circa 2007, I would believe it without a second thought.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

It's a nonsense thread with one actionable piece of feedback couched in a dozen insults and a sprinkling of outright factually incorrect statements. It's not "a bit harsh", it's a sparkling example of a particularly outdated brand of toxicity. If someone told me the language in the OP was copied from the WoW forums circa 2007, I would believe it without a second thought.

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A thread that has also generated quite a bit of actionable feedback from other users. It's also worth noting that its good for SE to be able to gauge how angry players are with certain issues with the game.

Believe it or not people are allowed to be angry, and angry at your favourite gaming corporation, especially considering how bad PvP is, and the fundamental issues behind why it is so bad.

Not everything unpleasant is toxic. Grow up.

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

They're a bit harsh, sure, but there is nothing wrong with the OP or title, PvP is garbage, even without factoring the abhorrent balancing and poor handling of CCs. I don't expect much understanding from the guy who has an entire thread whining about one of the best jobs in the mode not being flawless though.

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Sad to say, but this is how these forums roll. No one is allowed to be upset with something if the forum attack dogs decide you're not allowed to be upset with it.

I block these people whenever possible and suggest you do the same. They never add anything to topic, they just attack people.

PVP is in it's best state it has ever been. Can still be improved by a lot. Even better if they can read forum for feedbacks, not just simply hate/rage thread.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

PVP is in it's best state it has ever been. Can still be improved by a lot. Even better if they can read forum for feedbacks, not just simply hate/rage thread.

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That it can be in this sorry state and this is the best its ever been, that is a sorry statement. And rage is a good gauge for how badly this community wants decent PvP. Asking nicely clearly isn't working.