Did SE finally killed Windows 7?

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Every time I see comments like this I can't help but wonder what people are doing to their computers. While I'm not a fan of some of the systems they put in newer Windows, I have had no problems with Win10. I think people just install garbage programs and over time it just borks their system. That or just run weird hardware that has unstable software or drivers.

But yeah, 5 different computers (3 desktops and 2 laptops) all completely different hardware and never had a problem on any of them.

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Since upgrading to windows 10 (and then 11) I have had a grand total of 2 Green screens of death (the NEW BSOD). Both caused by a failing video card. Windows 7 I had quite a few BSODs and the majority of them never really figured out what happened. BSOD, reboots, works fine from there.


EDIT: Wait I had one more GSOD on Windows 11 because it couldn't connect to my linux shares and had a bug that they fixed next patch cycle (I run pre-releases of Win11).

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

Here's one:

Using programs that are known to have major issues even installing onto the newer OS's much less running.

I still enjoy playing older games that pre-date Windows 7. Games that I'm not ready to put down.

I do also understand the security risks and the fact that one day, current games may stop working on my PC due to an update. And I've already had one instance of I can't play something due to my OS being too old and I'm just fine with that because I knew the risk going into it.

But I'm also not going to just upgrade just because I got an error message. I'm going to attempt fixes. Computers aren't cheap. Especially right now with all the shortages. I'm hoping my computer lasts until we pass the worst of the shortages so that I'm not paying too much extra.

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I play a ton of old games on win11 just fine...Compatibility mode now a days is way better than it was when it was implemented into win7.

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Originally Posted by MiaShino

Sometimes you wish to play Dragon Age Origins or something else without spending hours diagnosing obscure nonsense issues. Artifacting and crashing issues abound on Windows 10. Runs flawlessly on Windows 7.

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Still load up and play DA:O on my windows 11. Doesn't need any tweaking. Just install, run and play. Same with KOTOR and KOTOR2. I haven't run into any game that I can't open easily except Starlink. That game requires virtualization to be turned off. That would cause issues on ANY OS for me. I am a mobile developer and need virtualization for testing purposes.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I play a ton of old games on win11 just fine...Compatibility mode now a days is way better than it was when it was implemented into win7.

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And the games I play have a mixed history of working or not with Windows 10, much less Windows 11.

The main game that I'm worried about had it's last EP released in 2008. Windows 7 was launched in 2009. The base game was released in 2004.

Yes, I might have absolutely no issues besides getting the game to recognize my graphics card; but at the same time, I could stumble into the one combination of stuff that means I can't play the game anymore and no fixes will consistently work if they work at all. And that's not currently a gamble that I want to make, no matter how rare of a chance that that may be. Hopefully, I get to choose when I get to make that gamble and not have it forced on me by computer breakage. I have decided that when the time comes for me to buy a new computer that it will be at least Windows 10.

I have my reasons for staying. They may not be a reason strong enough for you to stay on an outdated OS, and that's fine. I also wouldn't be complaining on a game or software company's forum stating that it was the company's fault that I can't play their game or use their software anymore because they released an update that removed the ability to play on Windows 7. So if the fixes posted hadn't worked for FFXIV and the update really did mean I couldn't play FFXIV anymore, then I'd be upset, but I wouldn't blame SE at all for it. I go into updates like this knowing that if I lose the ability to play, it's my fault for being on an outdate OS that's no longer supported.

i have the windows 7 64 ver and so far no log in problems.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Still load up and play DA:O on my windows 11. Doesn't need any tweaking. Just install, run and play. Same with KOTOR and KOTOR2. I haven't run into any game that I can't open easily except Starlink. That game requires virtualization to be turned off. That would cause issues on ANY OS for me. I am a mobile developer and need virtualization for testing purposes.

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Gonna be pressing X on this one or you are incredibly lucky. Have not encountered one person who does not run into issues running all three of those games on modern os with modern hardware. Entire first Joshstrife stream of Dragon Age was nothing but crashing. LAA patch assists but is not perfect.

The sheer number of issues I have encountered running old software on modern operating systems is not worth the trouble for me. Easier to dual boot or VM older OS.

KOTOR 2 crashed on XP pretty consistently all on its own back when I first purchased it.. If you are having no instability issues with that game send me your secret sauce because I need that in my life. Game is not exactly known for being optimally coded.

Heck! Aliens Vs Predator 2 requires dgvoodoo2 else there are graphical bugs for me on Windows 10. Runs flawlessly on my Windows 7 and windows 8.1 installations (sometimes I dust off my old P4 system for those really really temperamental games.. Bloodrayne enters the mind).

Not even going to get into the legacy software that I keep around for the interacting with old mechanical equipment.

Many apologies but there is no way in seven hells I am deploying Windows garbage 11 on any of my machines. They get the Linux or the older Windows OS treatment. If I require more up to date Windows it happens tucked away in a VM where I can promptly disable it when tis no longer needed and go back to pretending it does not exist.

Jeeez my poor older all in one I use for streaming media in the bedroom lacks proper driver support for Windows 10 (legacy intel igpu). I lose all quicksync and gpu encoding support on that platform if I upgrade it.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

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Could set up dual boot with Windows 7 if you ever require Windows 10 - 11 support or DX12. Tis pretty easy to do. Orrrr hardware pass through on a VM is always option if you have a decent system and spare time to learn how to set one up.

Wish I had no issues running certain stuffs on a modern OS. That is just not the reality I nor anyone I know lives in. Thank the twelve for phils computer lab and his dedication to backing up old drivers, he saved my booty when I was hunting down drivers for my ancient Yamaha sound card. Hardware OPL3 and OPL2 especially anything made by Roland sounds soooooo much better (even if the emulated options have come long long way).

im running windows 11 and have had no issues, but then again im running intel 12th gen and a 3080 Ti lol

Windows 10 no issues.

I get people have reservations about 10, honestly it's not bad at all. If you are worried about telemetry or the store being on it, you can deal with those and there are even powershell scripts out there that "decrapify" W10 with a single copy/paste.

Mind you this is really a 32-bit issue and there is no reason you should still be on 32-bit, we started to transition to 64-bit in early Vista days (XP had it but yeah who even KNEW about it let alone used it?). It's many cycles of OSes later.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok_Thordin

Windows 10 no issues.

I get people have reservations about 10, honestly it's not bad at all. If you are worried about telemetry or the store being on it, you can deal with those and there are even powershell scripts out there that "decrapify" W10 with a single copy/paste.

Mind you this is really a 32-bit issue and there is no reason you should still be on 32-bit, we started to transition to 64-bit in early Vista days (XP had it but yeah who even KNEW about it let alone used it?). It's many cycles of OSes later.

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And with OpenShell you can get the Windows 7 look&feel back. :)

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

I use it and i do not miss Windows 7. But Windows 10 runs slower. It needs waaay longer to start.



Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

And with OpenShell you can get the Windows 7 look&feel back. :)

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

I use it and i do not miss Windows 7. But Windows 10 runs slower. It needs waaay longer to start.



Cheers

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SSDs are amazing, W10 takes about 10 seconds from cold to start, that's with a SATA SSD. m.2 will probably knock a bit more off.