If you continue to dumb down the game, you will lose half your player base

Wow, the people on the healer forum were right. The second a DPS job gets its kit pruned, a whole uproar happens in General Discussion. Not trying to create a divide, but it is funny how this works.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This sounds more like an excuse to just discredit someones opinion just because you dont agree with it.
Not to say that there isn't likely at lease 1 person in SE's pocket...but I doubt every single person is being paid to say nice things or get emotionally driven in invested into the game...might as well just say WoW was never good because all of its praise is from Paid Actors...
Silly Right?

Those facts dont dictate other peoples experiences. Xeno, or Asmondgold getting interviews or sent stuff doesn't mean their experience or any praise of the game is bought out.
To say it is based on said facts, sounds more like you just want them to have the same opinion as you, and if they dont then its influenced.

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When some one like zepla that has played this game for years, claims that the 6.1 has an excess of content as if it were any different than other x.1 patches. And 6.1 being the same as 5.1 or 4.1 is a fact, you can go and look at the previous patch notes now and see its the same content that drops every x.1 patch. The only extra special content you are getting is another pvp revamp which has happened multiple times. Yes I believe some youtubers are being endorsed to praise certain aspects of the game. They may have there own opinions of the story, game play, or what ever I don't really care. But, it does not change that they have videos that are endorsed by SE, and are treated differently than your average youtuber that covers the same content. Now did I say everyone, no you just claimed that yourself. Who are most people likely watching for FFXIV content?

Are you not posting all various threads that the threads are non-sense because you don't like the opinions in them?
Are these opinions offending you, hurting you, bothering you in some way?
If you don't like the threads, why don't you quit visiting for forums?

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

They actually are not different in nature. They are to make classes more player friendly, and to homogenize the classes. This is the exact reason WoW did this as well, which they eventually fixed for tanks and healers but DPS for the most part is pretty terrible to play in WoW. Currently WoW has more fun gameplay if you want to tank or heal, FFXIV has more fun game play if you want to DPS. With the route FFXIV is going with classes though, WoW will just end up having better game play.

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And then there's Gw2 which actually has solid gameplay for both DPS and heal builds. As a healer, you're supplying your team with heals and boons on top of having an entire DPS rotation to fall back on. The game never felt like it insulted your intelligence and each class is unique.

I think Its wild some players don't realize you can have both and even a middle ground of class complexity and difficulty In a MMO especially one with as many Jobs as FFXIV, there are enough Jobs to have one "easy/simple" one "Medium/Nuanced" and a "Difficult/Complex" In every single role, so many players are tied up In the idea that either every class needs to be difficult or brain dead easy.

I honestly think players just want to feel "cool" on every class they play without working for It at this point, they want all the big shiny numbers on their screen while doing the bare minimum, god forbid the player who spends a few hours learning the class and Its rotation do more damage then the guy who just unlocked the job, Literally Crab Theory/mentality. Also explains all the ultimate clear buying, everybody wants to look cool until every joe and his mom has cool shiny weapons and now they're special for nobody lol.

/endrant

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Imagine caring about buttons while the true endgame is Fishing and Mahjong...

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According to papa Yoshida, the true endgame is taking a break to play other games.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Hopefully half the player base will leave, as it will probably make them address the issues.

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they won't.
They'll just keep making threads like this xD

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Are you not posting all various threads that the threads are non-sense because you don't like the opinions in them?
Are these opinions offending you, hurting you, bothering you in some way?
If you don't like the threads, why don't you quit visiting for forums?

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Is this what Hyperbole looks like?
Or is this a Strawman?.....either way lmao

No, Im not offended, hurt, or bothered by people having opinions....are you?
The existence of this thread doesnt effect me in any way, so no thanks, I wont quit visiting for forums.

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Originally Posted by Novae

According to papa Yoshida, the true endgame is taking a break to play other games.

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He's right though. IMO this game can get stale at times. And he knows it. That's why he said that XD

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

It depends on the player. I find it fun to press 500 different buttons during combat. Some don't, and that's okay. The real problem is drastic job changes. I agree with OP: "Dumbing down existing jobs is not in any way acceptable, and is an insult to players who main those jobs. If you want to make something simple, then you need to create new jobs that are simple from the beginning." Summoner was my first main as a Sprout but now I fall alseep when I play it.

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This is kind of how I felt about the BIG RED THIS IS A TANK BUSTER bull they just added. Like because I play a tank I am big dumb and need a huge telegraph to figure out the very easy this is tank buster this is aoe hit reprisal that is the mechanics for most dungeon bosses. It is even in savage. "SAVAGE". I know this could be helpful to a healer maybe, but when I play healer I know the tank busters from playing tank and reading the cast bar. I am unsure what made this a thing, but it was a small bit insulting. The devs think we are so dumb that we need a very obvious telegraph for something you literally figure out that was part of the fun for tanking for me. Now there is no mystery just wait for big red telegraph push button. Can't wait until they back port this to every dungeon so I see a bright you are dumb icon. There may be another reason for this and may be helpful to some. I am wondering if there is a way to disable it in the config somewhere. It is a spoiler for me and now the new dungeons will be predictable. It's like someone just gives me a puzzle but the answer is already filled in.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

It depends on the player. I find it fun to press 500 different buttons during combat. Some don't, and that's okay. The real problem is drastic job changes. I agree with OP: "Dumbing down existing jobs is not in any way acceptable, and is an insult to players who main those jobs. If you want to make something simple, then you need to create new jobs that are simple from the beginning." Summoner was my first main as a Sprout but now I fall asleep when I play it.

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Summoner's situation was given up on by enough people in 5.0 to warrant a rework that it should have received in Heavensward. There was no salvaging that mess, not with how much more prominent its glitches were and how far gone it was from the original focus of the class in the context of the Final Fantasy franchise as a whole.

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There is no reason why as a level 90 summoner I have no access to Shiva/Ramuh/Levi. Get to work SE! By this point in FFXI I was walking around laying waste to everything with Fenrir and maxed out elemental summons I had gone the lengths to power up with the merits system.