Please give us instanced housing.

Oh, I see. People are asking for Instanced Housing, rather than the instanced housing we already have within every single ward in every housing district in game.

By Instanced Housing, I can only assume they mean "the exact same thing we have now", since, well, housing in a housing district involves a yard and it also involves moving from the yard to a housing instance based on the size of the plot you've purchased. You do realize that this would require the exact same sets of new hardware as those currently required by the current system? And that those requirements are unsustainable? And that the reason we have apartments is so you can have a room capable of holding specific amounts of housing times you want to decorate with?

Apartments and FC rooms were designed to have their numbers increased in increments of server resources that can be handled without purchasing another row of servers. If you don't like them now, how will you possibly like any Instanced Housing designed to do the same in an incremental fashion?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Oh, I see. People are asking for Instanced Housing, rather than the instanced housing we already have within every single ward in every housing district in game.

By Instanced Housing, I can only assume they mean "the exact same thing we have now", since, well, housing in a housing district involves a yard and it also involves moving from the yard to a housing instance based on the size of the plot you've purchased. You do realize that this would require the exact same sets of new hardware as those currently required by the current system? And that those requirements are unsustainable? And that the reason we have apartments is so you can have a room capable of holding specific amounts of housing times you want to decorate with?

Apartments and FC rooms were designed to have their numbers increased in increments of server resources that can be handled without purchasing another row of servers. If you don't like them now, how will you possibly like any Instanced Housing designed to do the same in an incremental fashion?

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Pretty sure you can only come to the conclusion that what people are asking for is what we have by deliberately misunderstanding, or at least, giving absolutely no chocobo feathers on trying to understand when reading what people ask for pretty consistently when they say that term.

It is extremely obvious people mean the system, that MANY, other MMOs use in where when the space is needed it is created - even apartments are technically pre-allocated. There is a finite space of both apartments and houses, by most people's usage of instanced housing not even apartments would technically apply. Even if it did apply it's still obviously not what people want because they want the whole kit and caboodle (no feature loss).

It's a term to refer to a system that directly meets the demand 1:1. You want the house, you get the house- not going to check if we have stock because we're always in stock.

I've seen this argument before and it just seems like one that is either maliciously made, lazily made, or just someone who is way way into semantics. The intention of desire, imo, is profoundly clear just by reading what people want when they say what the game is currently missing. Especially so since you can just turn your head a little in either direction and see rows of mmos that use the term instanced housing and all have a very consistent notion of "it's in stock". An understanding of the situation like this to me just reads as both apathetic and disingenuous.

If someone wants a large house, they get the large house, if they want the small house on the corner in blue.. they get the small house on the corner in blue. Of course there are more details that can be extrapolated but the primary core is first on stock (and lack of feature loss). As for if SE has the tech for it or not currently, the answer seems to be a pretty obvious they don't but that is where the request / desire comes from, because the game /doesn't/ have what they want not because it does. Just like when people wanted their chocobo out in a party and SE said "can't" people still wanted it because of course they do, and SE finally found a way to make their system allow it. It's allowed to want what is currently impossible, as long as one is aware that's the situation such that it means new things have to be made (there is no light switch fix).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

It is extremely obvious people mean the system, that MANY, other MMOs use in where when the space is needed it is created.
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It's a term to refer to a system that directly meets the demand 1:1. You want the house, you get the house- not going to check if we have stock because we're always in stock.

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I understand well what some people consider instanced housing. What they really mean is "what we have now, including differential interior sizing of houses and the exact same features for decorating them, but, somehow, different".

Right now, both apartments and FC rooms fit this description. They are limited in number at the moment. That can be fixed in any number of ways, including increasing the number of apartments in wards. I suspect the limited availability is dependent on the number of actual players who've purchased them, as there is nothing stopping a player from buying up an entire apartment complex if they so desire. (Unless things have changed radically over the last two years).

I've built instanced housing in other MMOs, where there was a house to be built. The sticking point is going to be the exact same features for decorating them, which require a lot more server power and storage than those games' housing ever did.

I need only look at housing in FFXI, Rift, ArcheAge, and Wild Star and wonder whether players in this game would be satisfied with their version of instanced housing after experiencing the richness in this game's housing.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

I understand well what some people consider instanced housing. What they really mean is "what we have now, including differential interior sizing of houses and the exact same features for decorating them, but, somehow, different".

Right now, both apartments and FC rooms fit this description. They are limited in number at the moment. That can be fixed in any number of ways, including increasing the number of apartments in wards. I suspect the limited availability is dependent on the number of actual players who've purchased them, as there is nothing stopping a player from buying up an entire apartment complex if they so desire. (Unless things have changed radically over the last two years).

I've built instanced housing in other MMOs, where there was a house to be built. The sticking point is going to be the exact same features for decorating them, which require a lot more server power and storage than those games' housing ever did.

I need only look at housing in FFXI, Rift, ArcheAge, and Wild Star and wonder whether players in this game would be satisfied with their version of instanced housing after experiencing the richness in this game's housing.

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The last list of MMOs you listed is actually what people are asking for, in a general sense. Of course each person has a bias to which one did it best, and for example FFXI is only an apartment (or two floors if you upgrade)- and I think people would prefer to have an actual house. Some think of the ESO systems for example, or BDO and you can be in the city itself.

The main element you missed with "but different somehow" is again, unlimited stock. There is no limit. At all (except perhaps on a player to player basis, for example you can own like 42 houses in ESO but each one is unique, can't own two of the same house).

So yes, they want the decorating, the full feature power, etc. But you're really dropping the ball there with "but somehow different" because that last bit pretty much the only consistent element every single person has when using instanced housing as a desire for FFXIV. Something FFXIV doesn't have. You should read it more like every single apartment and house in this game under the ability of instanced housing (which is to mean, no limit - and that would obviously entail the core code making some sort of major change... not an easy ask).

Some people refer to more than that, but they usually say more- like if they have a bias or a dream with the system. Obviously for myself I primarily want instanced housing not because I want to be on ward 23 slot 5, but because I believe the creativity of the system is hampered by the nature of having to be in a neighborhood - I want to see the Azim, Amarout, Ul'dah, etc, etc (but that's more of my personal bias twist to why I think instanced is far better than wards). On a final note I'd rather have Wildstar housing than FFXIV's system, by far and away (I like FFXIV's objects, but the system itself.. not at all- it isn't a 'rich' system to me as I'd probably use mostly negative words to describe it).

At this point I want them to release a set of instanced housing just so people can realize just how much they really arent going to use it.
Neighborhoods are the best thing. So never do away with that. I absolutely love annoying my neighbors showing up uninvited writing in their message books and stompin my feet all up on their couches so let's keep the wards for those of us who are social and actually use our houses. Everyone else though should get an instance. Throw em the lil bone to chew on for a couple days before they get bored of it.

Let them finally FINALLY have it so they can ignore it just like they've always wanted. Find something else to hyperfixate on needing to have. yahyah 'well if i had my house id decorate and-' You can decorate an apartment just fine but most refuse. Only exception of course being those who are in servers that are so full that even apartments arent available, ok THAT makes sense. But the other servers??? With apartments in some wards that are nearly empty?? No excuse. 'its not enough space' then you arent creative enough to need a house lol. Because there are plenty of people who do two floors-who do all KINDS of things with just the apartment. but yeh w/e. Just do it already tbh.

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

At this point I want them to release a set of instanced housing just so people can realize just how much they really arent going to use it.
Neighborhoods are the best thing. So never do away with that. I absolutely love annoying my neighbors showing up uninvited writing in their message books and stompin my feet all up on their couches so let's keep the wards for those of us who are social and actually use our houses. Everyone else though should get an instance. Throw em the lil bone to chew on for a couple days before they get bored of it.

Let them finally FINALLY have it so they can ignore it just like they've always wanted. Find something else to hyperfixate on needing to have. yahyah 'well if i had my house id decorate and-' You can decorate an apartment just fine but most refuse. Only exception of course being those who are in servers that are so full that even apartments arent available, ok THAT makes sense. But the other servers??? With apartments in some wards that are nearly empty?? No excuse. 'its not enough space' then you arent creative enough to need a house lol. Because there are plenty of people who do two floors-who do all KINDS of things with just the apartment. but yeh w/e. Just do it already tbh.

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Where are these mythical neighbors I haven't seen one in months

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet

Dang, that IS pretty hardcore. Glad we left those grindy mmo style ages ago. I can understand being a pvp server u could drop ur loot but ur deed? thats a bit harsh.



Oh, I never said I didn't own a house. I do own my own house but I recognize the system is just bad as it is. Im glad you agree though =3

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I think you misunderstand. The deed itself is expensive but once you turn it into a property then that's that. I don't think there was a parchment for it that you would have afterwards. What I was saying is that if you're looking for a place to build a house and you get PvPd, you could lose your deed if the other player steals it. Meaning, the plot of land you have yet to purchase. Sorry if I didn't explain it right.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Where are these mythical neighbors I haven't seen one in months

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I visit the housing space every single day, for multiple years now, it's not active... Lol. (Speaking in agreement). The whole neighborhood thing is a loss, in general, for single person houses- strong imo. The other issue too is that you can visit people's houses in instances systems too. The Wildstar community for example was extremely active around housing (and the hardcore focus and lack of support past the bumpy phase being major contributors to it's death- the housing being a key part of it staying alive as long as it did).

Many of the benefits people list out for wards are not exclusive to them, and often it doesn't even do what it's supposed to be good at very well either. I do believe though that FC only housing wards might be nice, I very much doubt the value of the system for anything else though. Also some people's ideas of phased wards would keep the ward structure while also making them instances (bit like BDO). Of course I prefer full instances spaces since the games that use it often offer huge amount of growth and progression opportunities that wards just don't.

But yeah.. neighborhood for myself with years of experience is mostly a myth. If you go out of your way then it would have worked in instances systems too. For emergent value, outside of a FC specific ward, I don't believe the system is worth it's significant loss.

I've made suggestions before as to how activity in neighborhoods can be encouraged, but in the end, if people do not want to socialize, you can't really force them. For people like this, it wouldn't matter if a house was instanced or not.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

I've made suggestions before as to how activity in neighborhoods can be encouraged, but in the end, if people do not want to socialize, you can't really force them. For people like this, it wouldn't matter if a house was instanced or not.

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-Instanced housing ( an extension and expansion of apartments to actual home sizes) should be a priority for SE.

-Never EVER stop asking for improvements like this. The worst thing for any mmo is stagnation and drool level concepts.

-Always challenge, always ask, always improve.

-Hundreds of changes from many aspects of the game, have already been changed or implemented because we have been vocal.

-If its 20 more years, Im gonna push for instanced housing from SE...(not asking players).. they SHOULD be reaching to be the best they can be because atm housing is not even close.

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