Being both good AND bad at the game?

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Incorrect. Second Coil was nerfed. Blighted Bouquet no longer one shot kills if you act during its animation. The petrification in Turn 7 also no longer results in instant death if you get hit while petrified. I think they are still unnerfed in its Savage version, but those fights have many other differences.

Also Twintania was nerfed and the arena changed several times in Turn 5. Twister hit detection was altered and all that jazz.

I can't remember anything else getting nerfed, but those are the most striking examples. And they're oodles and boodles easier nowadays, even at minimum iLvl, because the potencies we have these days are insane compared to back then, along with having Direct hits. For reference, when Coils were new in 2.0, DRG's hardest hitting attack was Full Thrust at a flat 300 potency. Today's Full Thrust potency is 540. Basically, a single DRG nowadays is worth almost two DRGs from when Coil was current.

That doesn't make it effortless, but there are more drastic potency differences to put up to task with all of the different jobs you can bring too. All tanks have more mitigation and damage at that level range too than they ever did when it was current content.

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LOL, oh believe me, getting hit while petrified can still kill you in one shot doing it MINE, but it is probably more of a health thing. That really must have sucked back in the day.
You are correct about twisters, I now remember people mentioned them having been changed from the old days.
I don't remember how bouquet was MINE, how bad it hurt. It was too long ago.

Yeah, the changes you mention do kind of make me sad that I will never truly see it how it originally was, but I will take what I can get.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

I'll just go ahead and say it but after doing a bit of research, you are not a good player, at all. But that's okay! We can all improve

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Well we all have our own version of 'good'. Just because I don't bother to try to get those high percentile numbers doesn't mean I completely suck. I can't see how that can possibly be fun, spending hours and hours just for the sake of having high numbers which get you nothing for the time spent other than bragging rights and being good at a silly game.

(Honestly, kind of like clearing the harder stuff to begin with. LOL But much less work. ;))

When I say 'good', I am not talking about having super high numbers and being awesome at any job I do. I am just talking about being able to clear harder content at the lowest level possible. But then again, I can't control other people's perceptions of the word 'good', so yes, some will say I am not according to their higher standards.

I am totally happy with just getting the achievement of clearing harder stuff, which many players either can't or never bother trying to do. Even more so on MINE level.

So for me, it is 'good' enough.:D

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Originally Posted by Wissp

Well we all have our own version of 'good'. Just because I don't bother to try to get those high percentile numbers doesn't mean I completely suck. I can't see how that can possibly be fun, spending hours and hours just for the sake of having high numbers which get you nothing for the time spent other than bragging rights and being good at a silly game.

(Honestly, kind of like clearing the harder stuff to begin with. LOL But much less work. ;))

When I say 'good', I am not talking about having super high numbers and being awesome at any job I do. I am just talking about being able to clear harder content at the lowest level possible. But then again, I can't control other people's perceptions of the word 'good', so yes, some will say I am not according to their higher standards.

I am totally happy with just getting the achievement of clearing harder stuff, which many players either can't or never bother trying to do. Even more so on MINE level.

So for me, it is 'good' enough.:D

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Then you want to be looking into week 1/2 savage groups then. Old savage content isn't really that hard due to scaling of new skills and other balance changes that square made.

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Originally Posted by Wissp

Well we all have our own version of 'good'. Just because I don't bother to try to get those high percentile numbers doesn't mean I completely suck. I can't see how that can possibly be fun, spending hours and hours just for the sake of having high numbers which get you nothing for the time spent other than bragging rights and being good at a silly game.

(Honestly, kind of like clearing the harder stuff to begin with. LOL But much less work. ;))

When I say 'good', I am not talking about having super high numbers and being awesome at any job I do. I am just talking about being able to clear harder content at the lowest level possible. But then again, I can't control other people's perceptions of the word 'good', so yes, some will say I am not according to their higher standards.

I am totally happy with just getting the achievement of clearing harder stuff, which many players either can't or never bother trying to do. Even more so on MINE level.

So for me, it is 'good' enough.:D

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Haha yeah, good luck clearing the hardest content with the lowest level possible with you not caring about high percentiles. Try and clear e4s min ilvl and let me know how it went

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Originally Posted by Wissp

Well we all have our own version of 'good'. Just because I don't bother to try to get those high percentile numbers doesn't mean I completely suck. I can't see how that can possibly be fun, spending hours and hours just for the sake of having high numbers which get you nothing for the time spent other than bragging rights and being good at a silly game.

(Honestly, kind of like clearing the harder stuff to begin with. LOL But much less work. ;))

When I say 'good', I am not talking about having super high numbers and being awesome at any job I do. I am just talking about being able to clear harder content at the lowest level possible. But then again, I can't control other people's perceptions of the word 'good', so yes, some will say I am not according to their higher standards.

I am totally happy with just getting the achievement of clearing harder stuff, which many players either can't or never bother trying to do. Even more so on MINE level.

So for me, it is 'good' enough.:D

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Every type of relevant content has a dps check in it so while high percentiles aren't anything great they measure how well the game wants you to play.

If you have a different way you like to play that the game doesn't like then you need to specify that clearly before asking or stating anything. Especially when you have your very own definition of the word "good".
It's also ironic you would use the perseverance towards improvement as somehow being a slight to said people when you are coming the forums wanting to know why you can't do dungeon content without struggling unironically after having done such "hard" content that requires a certain level of skill to clear.

When people are talking about 'good' they are not talking about numbers either nor, are they talking about a specific job they are talking about the will and the bearings required to become better while understanding that failure is natural and the only way to go is up.

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Originally Posted by Wissp

I am just talking about being able to clear harder content at the lowest level possible.

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You unironically and literally just admitted to only wanting to be good enough to be carried through content.

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Originally Posted by Wissp

But then again, I can't control other people's perceptions of the word 'good', so yes, some will say I am not according to their higher standards.

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Wishing your teammates were pulling their own weight in a team game is not high(er) standards, you are the irregularity.

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Originally Posted by Wissp

I am totally happy with just getting the achievement of clearing harder stuff, which many players either can't or never bother trying to do. Even more so on MINE level.

So for me, it is 'good' enough.

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If that's good enough for you that's fine but don't ask objective questions and then get uppity when you get objective answers.

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Originally Posted by Wissp

Well we all have our own version of 'good'. Just because I don't bother to try to get those high percentile numbers doesn't mean I completely suck. I can't see how that can possibly be fun, spending hours and hours just for the sake of having high numbers which get you nothing for the time spent other than bragging rights and being good at a silly game.

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There is no such thing as versions of good and it's not only about high percentiles. High numbers are just part of playing your class well. You created the topic asking why you weren't doing well in content that should be easy, yet when you're given legitimate feedback that it's actually on you, you ignored it and got defensive. The type of person who ignores advice is one who can't learn or improve and this is why you struggle in easy content. Because you're playing poorly and refuse to look at that because you prefer to think you're good.
You're patting yourself on the back too much for min ilv clears, while still a good thing to accomplish, dps checks there are largely irrelevant because class potencies have been massively buffed over the years, TP is no longer a thing, no tank stance penalties, cleric stance, shorter cooldown times and so on. It might be hard to hear but it's likely you got carried to some degree too regarding enrage timers.

I can't give you specifics and actual help without getting a ban, but let's just say I have a "hunch" you're consistently missing large parts of your toolkit and losing significant uptime. Which is actually quite normal for many players and nothing to be ashamed of, but if you do want to be a good player you'd have to swallow the pride, ask for help and start looking at where you need to improve.

If you're doing PuGs with people doing unexpected things, it could be that you're very good at executing planned techniques but not so good at adjusting on the fly. PuGs can be very unpredictable and especially as a healer, we have the success of the group on our shoulders a lot of the time. So it's more noticeable when we are the weak link.

It's actually common for people who clear savage and ultimate to not do very well in casual content because they see it as so below them that they don't even know any of the mechanics and aren't used to them.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Yeah the fact people will never be able(forced) to experience thunder god from monastery in its full atrocity makes me very sad. I miss the laughs thunder daddy gave me.

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I had a nice „flashback“ run the other day where we not only managed to fail the add phase of the second boss, we also had 6 wipes at Thunder god.
The complaints, rage quits and a rejected vote abandon where quite entertaining.
I agree, it is kinda sad it does not happen that often anymore.