SCH, Energy Drain, and 6.0

I'm honestly not sure how any of this can be fixed when the development team seem allergic to feedback from the actual healing community. The logical next step to take to finding out that most SCH don't use their Aetherflow stacks for actual healing would be to find out why the class is functioning in a way that would force the bulk of it's players to play counter to developer intentions. Instead they just seem to think we're being willful and double down on their misconceptions. The development team has always been under some kind of misconception about SCH and it's healing capabilities. Back in HW a lot of the changes were implemented because they felt we were coasting off of the laurels of AST and WHM. The same thing happened /again/ in SB and when that expansion dropped the class was almost unplayable as a result. How many more times do they need to reinvent the wheel before they understand the way of looking at the class and healers in general is fundamentally flawed?

Sometimes I wonder if the healer forums aren't here just to quarantine our complaints so the developers don't have to see them. Because it definitely doesn't seem like any developer with authority actually visits these subforums regardless of the language they're in.

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Originally Posted by Enla

I'm honestly not sure how any of this can be fixed when the development team seem allergic to feedback from the actual healing community. The logical next step to take to finding out that most SCH don't use their Aetherflow stacks for actual healing would be to find out why the class is functioning in a way that would force the bulk of it's players to play counter to developer intentions. Instead they just seem to think we're being willful and double down on their misconceptions. The development team has always been under some kind of misconception about SCH and it's healing capabilities. Back in HW a lot of the changes were implemented because they felt we were coasting off of the laurels of AST and WHM. The same thing happened /again/ in SB and when that expansion dropped the class was almost unplayable as a result. How many more times do they need to reinvent the wheel before they understand the way of looking at the class and healers in general is fundamentally flawed?

Sometimes I wonder if the healer forums aren't here just to quarantine our complaints so the developers don't have to see them. Because it definitely doesn't seem like any developer with authority actually visits these subforums regardless of the language they're in.

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The main problem with feedback seems to be cultural? They don't listen as much to the non-Japanese side of things, and Japanese developers have that reputation of doubling down on what they think is right and the players are stupid.

To be fair, a looooot of FFXIV players are people that developers should not listen to. However, a lot of us here are ones that try to play these jobs at a high level. For the most part, a lot of damage balance does seem to be around those players at the highest level. So, not at least perusing the forums seems like a baffling decision.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I kinda wish they’d just make energy drain consume all remaining stacks and deal damage/restore mp based on how many stacks were consumed. So we can literally just use it when aetherflow comes off CD to get rid of our remaining stacks before refreshing it.

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Hitting Energy Drain by accident would run the risk of using all your Aetherflow Stacks and possibly leave you with no healing resources at all. Although, Aetherflow could possibly function the same way as your proposed Energy Drain and then we wouldnt need Energy Drain at all. Aetherflow could be used to gain three stacks and MP as it is now with the added ability to do damage and restore more MP based on how many stacks you currently have. It could change to AetherFlood when it comes off cooldown and stacks are still waiting to be used. Its one less button and still a way to trade healing resources for damage with less risk since you're guaranteed to get stacks each time.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Hitting Energy Drain by accident would run the risk of using all your Aetherflow Stacks and possibly leave you with no healing resources at all. Although, Aetherflow could possibly function the same way as your proposed Energy Drain and then we wouldnt need Energy Drain at all. Aetherflow could be used to gain three stacks and MP as it is now with the added ability to do damage and restore more MP based on how many stacks you currently have. It could change to AetherFlood when it comes off cooldown and stacks are still waiting to be used. Its one less button and still a way to trade healing resources for damage with less risk since you're guaranteed to get stacks each time.

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Or it could work in a similar way SMN aetherflow works: Remove the AF ability, and now Energy drain is an oGCD with 20s CD that gives 1 AF stacks and 10 Fairy gauge when used.

That, or if you want to have the three charges available, go with 1min CD and it gives 3 AF stacks and 30 Fairy Gauge.

Second would be a Fairy gauge generation Buff I guess but at least the it would untie damage and healing as a choice of using AF.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Or it could work in a similar way SMN aetherflow works: Remove the AF ability, and now Energy drain is an oGCD with 20s CD that gives 1 AF stacks and 10 Fairy gauge when used.

That, or if you want to have the three charges available, go with 1min CD and it gives 3 AF stacks and 30 Fairy Gauge.

Second would be a Fairy gauge generation Buff I guess but at least the it would untie damage and healing as a choice of using AF.

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Personally, I prefer the idea that Aetherflow just grants Fairy Gauge charge since I'd rather they expand the Fairy Gauge to be a resource to use your fairy cooldowns. The current Aetherflow skills just gain charges since, imo, the Aetherflow mechanic is really hurting SCH's design now rather than helping it.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Hitting Energy Drain by accident would run the risk of using all your Aetherflow Stacks and possibly leave you with no healing resources at all.

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Hey, maybe we’d finally get some use out of dissipation :P

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Hey, maybe we’d finally get some use out of dissipation :P

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Oh man, that's a good one! Tell me another! XD

If they want so much to gut Energy Drain because they want AF stacks to be spend in healing action...
Make energy drain the reward for using healing action. Stronger potency, mana regen, slight vulne up on the target, a little something to encourage the usage within the 60s windows.
Or just make scholar fire power increase temporary, just like a StB cleric stance for 15s for using your stacks.

I don't know... but something to encourage spending stacks other than just "lol plz heal" especially when it's not needing.

And buff ruin II potency while we're at it or reduce Broil III cast time to make up for the potency lost at weaving action.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

If they want so much to gut Energy Drain because they want AF stacks to be spend in healing action...
Make energy drain the reward for using healing action. Stronger potency, mana regen, slight vulne up on the target, a little something to encourage the usage within the 60s windows.
Or just make scholar fire power increase temporary, just like a StB cleric stance for 15s for using your stacks.

I don't know... but something to encourage spending stacks other than just "lol plz heal" especially when it's not needing.

And buff ruin II potency while we're at it or reduce Broil III cast time to make up for the potency lost at weaving action.

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We're going to require content for healing first, in order to spent aetherflow on heals.Most content doesnt even require a SCH to do much outside popping fey blessing for the HoT, or shielding + aetherpact the tank.

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Originally Posted by Anhra

We're going to require content for healing first, in order to spent aetherflow on heals.Most content doesnt even require a SCH to do much outside popping fey blessing for the HoT, or shielding + aetherpact the tank.

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I think the idea is for Aetherflow heals to give SCH such a bonus to dps that they're worth using even if there is nothing to heal.