Would a raffle system be that hard?

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

O.o You are going from competeing with a few people at a placard. To going against everyone on your world who does not have a house...tell me how your odds are now better. In a raffle the more people enter the lower your chances of winning are.

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Exactly. Thank you.

Raffles are one of the most common 'fixes' for housing I see pitched next to a rent or tax of some kind. These are both solutions that seem really rosey on paper but people will absolutely end up loathing if implemented. If you'd like a workable solution to housing may I suggest upgradable appartments, indoor windowboxes for crossbreeding, and a workshop attached to every GC for homeless FCs? I mean if they can make the squadron door unique putting up a door that goes to your fc workshop is doable in theory.

The point is, people used to be in favor of the random timer too. Raffles will be it's arguably worse replacement. Instead of making the system even harder for a first time buyer, ease the pain by giving people more options. If appartments did gardening and had more space to furnish, they'd be more attractive as at least a waiting option while folks held out for a house.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

O.o You are going from competeing with a few people at a placard. To going against everyone on your world who does not have a house...tell me how your odds are now better. In a raffle the more people enter the lower your chances of winning are.

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Ok look. Suppose we have 1000 people, 100 of which are willing to camp a placard. The odds are like so:
100 people have 1% chance of getting a house
900 people have 0% chance of getting a house

Now we move to a raffle system and everyone can participate. Now the odds are:
1000 people have 0.1% chance of getting a house

For 100 people the odds became worse, but for 900 people they became better because they had no chance at all before.

Why do most people look at this only from the perspective of the "privileged" few who can spend their days repetitively clicking the placard or use keyboard macro programs (which are against the ToS)?

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Originally Posted by tdb

Ok look. Suppose we have 1000 people, 100 of which are willing to camp a placard. The odds are like so:
100 people have 1% chance of getting a house
900 people have 0% chance of getting a house

Now we move to a raffle system and everyone can participate. Now the odds are:
1000 people have 0.1% chance of getting a house

For 100 people the odds became worse, but for 900 people they became better because they had no chance at all before.

Why do most people look at this only from the perspective of the "privileged" few who can spend their days repetitively clicking the placard or use keyboard macro programs (which are against the ToS)?

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Now add 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 thousand onto that number, possibly more. On each server. Sure, the odds still dictate that it could happen, but the chances are so small that it really doesn't matter. That doesn't make it better than the current system. It doesn't improve anything at all. What we need are actual fixes, not impossible, hopeless dreams. This isn't about the "privileged few". This is about everyone.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Ok look. Suppose we have 1000 people, 100 of which are willing to camp a placard. The odds are like so:
100 people have 1% chance of getting a house
900 people have 0% chance of getting a house

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For 100 people the odds became worse, but for 900 people they became better because they had no chance at all before.

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Those 900 people didn't have "no chance," they had the same chance to participate as everyone else and they chose not to.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Those 900 people didn't have "no chance," they had the same chance to participate as everyone else and they chose not to.

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And if those 900 chose to participate, guess what? Everyone would have 0.1% chance, exactly the same as with raffle. You can't seriously think it's a good idea to make a system so appalling that most people don't even want to participate.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

This is about everyone.

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Yet everyone having an equal chance doesn't seem to be to your liking. What gives? Does there need to be some kind of bait, a promise of an easier life? "If only I was unscrupulous enough to break the ToS by botting, I too could get a house"?

Yes, instanced housing would be a far better solution. Yet it has proven unattainable so far. And it too has its detractors; some people have cried about ghost wards and wanting to keep the neighborhoods.

Just in case you haven't seen it, here's the latest and most complete description of what I think a raffle system could be like: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5483002

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Originally Posted by tdb

Yet everyone having an equal chance doesn't seem to be to your liking. What gives? Does there need to be some kind of bait, a promise of an easier life? "If only I was unscrupulous enough to break the ToS by botting, I too could get a house"?

Yes, instanced housing would be a far better solution. Yet it has proven unattainable so far. And it too has its detractors; some people have cried about ghost wards and wanting to keep the neighborhoods.

Just in case you haven't seen it, here's the latest and most complete description of what I think a raffle system could be like: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5483002

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Big problem with your idea in that post. You trying to crash the instance servers? Asking people to reamain near the plot for 10 minutes...think about how many players will be showing up all at once!!! FC will also have a bigger advantage then they do now over personal house seekers.

You think fc's are just going to have one member enter the raffle? Pfft nope their going to ask every eligible member to enter. FC's have members waiting at placards but its rare the entire FC is waiting. Lets not even get into the restritctions you will need to help curve abuse.

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Originally Posted by tdb

And if those 900 chose to participate, guess what? Everyone would have 0.1% chance, exactly the same as with raffle. You can't seriously think it's a good idea to make a system so appalling that most people don't even want to participate.

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This assumes that the same number of people would be clicking a placard for untold hours as would enter a 10 minute raffle.
This would not be the case.
Like you said, the current system is so appalling people don't wanna participate.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Yet everyone having an equal chance doesn't seem to be to your liking. What gives? Does there need to be some kind of bait, a promise of an easier life? "If only I was unscrupulous enough to break the ToS by botting, I too could get a house"?

Yes, instanced housing would be a far better solution. Yet it has proven unattainable so far. And it too has its detractors; some people have cried about ghost wards and wanting to keep the neighborhoods.

Just in case you haven't seen it, here's the latest and most complete description of what I think a raffle system could be like: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5483002

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I want everyone to have an equal chance, but a raffle is not the solution. It doesn't fix the underlying problem with housing, which is little supply and insane demand. What don't you understand here? I honestly don't know how else I can put it so that you can begin to fathom this "mystery". You seemingly can't see past your own vision to see that others have differing opinions, and that there might be a flaw or 2 in your desired system. I'm not saying mine is perfect, but my point of view is something that I have thought through thoroughly, and what really matters to me is having an actual solution to the garbage housing system we have. I don't want housing to be shackled by luck and RNG. I want it to be set free. I want solutions, not band aid fixes that don't really do much anyway. EVERYONE should want this. If you can't understand that...it is best that we both stop engaging one another any further on this topic, because we will never see eye to eye. I sure as heck won't budge, and apparently neither will you. Have a nice day.