Party Finders, FC groups, Discord groups interested in old high-end content, or statics. They even have a new Fellowship feature that you can join for this kind of thing—I saw a few “Old Savage Minimum Item Level” Fellowships on Aether last time I browsed through the Fellowship Finder. You go about learning these fights and their mechanics the same way most others learned this content when it was relevant. The same ways anyone learns Savage content on NA/EU data centers. People don’t queue up for this content via Raid Finder or Duty Finder here: they create PFs for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeanDragon
You’re new, so you probably don’t understand what it’s like. But when there’s a significantly high amount of players who cannot push out adequate damage and/or rotations in normal content, how do you expect them to fair in content that actually requires them to have a high level of skill and understanding, and requires them to meet a minimum DPS check so that they can clear enrage?Quote:
Lol why is everyone so adamantly against this? If you don't want to do them then DON'T do them.
So strange...
It’s clear you don’t understand the demands this content places on players—and how there’s a significant portion of the playerbase that will likely fail to meet these demands, frustrating those around them.
I invite you to attempt one of the current Savage raids when you hit level 80 just to experience the kinds of demands this content puts on you. You can join on a tank, healer, or DPS—the demands are relatively the same for each role. These aren’t just fights you go into and clear in a pull or two: some of them take good players multiple lockouts to even progress through them and learn all the mechanics. Weekly farms can still see several wipes from mistakes before they get a clear in.
Can we please put Coils of Bahamut in normal raid roulette?
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11-05-2019, 06:58 AMHyoMinPark
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11-05-2019, 07:01 AMLilsephIt's not strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeanDragon
People are against it because doing savage in DF is a death sentence. Imagine that 24man and sometimes 8man normal content in DF are already a living nightmare with people that don't know their rotation, others doing the bare minimum and failing to obvious mechanics. No one wants to get their time wasted. Savage roulette would be that. A lot of people that underestimate the content and go full YOLO, wasting everyone's time. If we follow your advice of "don't do it if you don't like it", you'd only have a handful of people queueing up for them. It will create a MASSIVE waiting time and, in the event the queue pops... you'll be thrown in a random turn out of 13 fights. Maybe you'll get through it in 5 minutes if you get T3, or you'll spend a whole lockout wiping in T9. Who knows!
As other posters have said, you'd have better luck pugging Coil in PF. Stating it's a blind/learn party, sync'd. Try it and tell me how it goes.
Different to MSQ, time wise, where you can AFK most of the time and watch Netflix, play your favorite mobile game or whatever, Savage Raid Roulette would need you to stay focused, cooperate and learn. You'd be surprised, but the majority of the people just want to faceroll content. -
11-05-2019, 07:03 AMRicaRuin
Eden Normal is way easier than Coils. Hells, I'd even go as far as claiming that E1S is easier than synced T9.
Also, you did them synced, but with your FC. That's already a lot more coordination (and being familiar with the others' playstyle) than you will get in Duty Finder. Duty Finder usually fails at doing the Mechanics at synced T1 right, usually. -
11-05-2019, 07:04 AMMeanDragon
OK OK. You convinced me.
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11-05-2019, 07:08 AMPaladinleedsThere are linkshells dedicated to tackling this kind of content synced. It's almost certainly going to take more than one lockout to beat the duty. DF will pull randoms in, aka, you're not gonna have the same people twice in a row (you may get a couple of previous faces, but not all). You're going to want the same group of people for it. So the DFs will not pop. I believe that FFXIV Recruiter as well as The Balance Discords can help you find people to do this. But ultimately, a savage roulette is going to go badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeanDragon
Now an extreme primal roulette could potentially work, but even there we have a disparage of difficulty. E.G. let's take Garuda Ex vs Ramuh Ex (to pull examples from the same expansion). Very different difficulties. People will simply fish for Garuda Ex, and will likely bail if they get something like Ramuh Ex. Same reason people bail if people get ex primals in mentor roulette (and I speak as someone who got Garuda Ex in a mentor roulette, the easiest of the ex primals, and didn't bail. And we actually got the clear in the end. Heck of a nice feeling). Ultimately, most people are going to push for the path of least resistance. So your best bet is to find like-minded people to do it, as you're all more likely to give it your best shot instead of just coasting through doing minimum effort required hoping for the reward.
If you want to see ex primal roulette and savage roulette, this mindset will need to be changed among the masses. Otherwise it's just going to cause you even more problems than it solves. Because how many people are going to queue for in-progress on those roulettes? Meaning if someone bails (and if you get a harder one they almost certainly will), you're almost certainly not going to get a refill, and thus you'd have to leave and requeue anyway. -
11-05-2019, 07:08 AMNockvryca
What everyone is trying to say is, raid roulette is the normal version of the savage fights. So it has Alexander, omega, and eden, the non savage versions. Coil only has savage, there is no normal, when coil was released there was just savage, then they released savage of second coil, but this savage is more akin to ultimate. If you were to get coil in normal raid roulette, you would not clear. Maybe a few fights, but the vast majority require coordination that you are not going to get in duty finder with a bunch of randoms that are just doing the roulette for tomes/exp.
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11-05-2019, 07:10 AMRasikko
They do that, I'll never run Normal Raids again lol. I beat the whole thing, but nah man, don't wanna go back there.
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11-05-2019, 07:11 AMDamianFatale
Just because coils would be hard in a roulette, does not mean that people shouldn't try. .-.
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11-05-2019, 07:15 AMDogempireIf I'm being generous, maybe 1% of groups would be able to clear one of the harder coils.Quote:
Originally Posted by DamianFatale
Would you rather waste half an hour to an hour trying to see if your group is the 1% that would be able to clear it, or eat a half hour penalty and try for an easier raid? Because I know which one I would do. -
11-05-2019, 07:17 AMNockvryca
Sure people should try, but what you are going to have is a dead roulette. If you add coils that means you should add the savage versions of the other raids because coil is savage. This means you are going to have a roulette that no one is going to be able to clear. Same thing happens in mentor roulette when they get extreme trials, everyone leaves.