Nobody said it is an easy job and that wasn't the question to begin with. But compared to most DDs and GNB, PLD plays slow as there aren't many oGCDs you need to wave into your rotation. For your offense there are "Fight or Flight" and "Requisiscat" on 60 seconds CD each plus "Spirits Within", "Circle of Scorn" and "Intervene" as your gap closer. You don't use FoF and Requiscat together and you only use Spirits Within with FoF and CoS only with Requisiscat, which also lowers your waving. So even DRK has more oGCD/Abilities to wave into their attack-rota.Quote:
Originally Posted by YojimboM
If we are not talking about how easy a job is to pick up and play but only by looking at clicks-per-minute and the least oGCDs they need to wave into their rotation to make it easier for the OP's hand, then they would be actually better suited to play PLD then any other tank.
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10-14-2019, 06:43 PMPepsi_Plunge
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10-14-2019, 08:47 PMYojimboMLOTS of people say it's an easy job. Maybe not explicitly within this thread with that exact wording, but almost every person recommending a tank recommends PLD the most. Every single time the topic for a "beginner" tank is brought up, PLD is always first to be mentioned. The question had to do with a job that was easy for a disabled person and beginner, which is why I bring up questioning why people suggest PLD when it is semi-difficult job in comparison to WAR which is both easier for a beginner and for a person with a disability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge
PLD is not any "slower" than DRK or WAR. All three of them hover around 35-37 CPM. WAR is always lower than PLD's CPM, and sometimes DRK can reach up to ~40 CPM, but on average the three are very similar. GNB is the only one that is any sort of outlier, because it breaks 45+ CPM in some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge
Do you know how many weaves are in the PLD opener? 10 for the FoF opener and 11 for the Requiescat opener with optional double weaving. The DRK opener has 13 weaves. 10/11 and 13 aren't that far apart. The WAR opener has 6 weaves with no double weaves, ever.
As far as all of your rotation voodoo goes: What? Spirits Within is only a 30 second cooldown, every other use of Spirits Within lands outside of FoF (FoF has a 60 second cooldown and 25 second duration), it can and should be used outside of FoF because it is always back up in time for the next FoF window. Circle of Scorn is used in every FoF and Requiescat window because it should be buffed by FoF and comes back up on the weave for Requiescat at the end of FoF, since the cooldown of CoS is the same as the duration of FoF. So, no, you do not "only use X ability during X buff". You use both of them every time they come off cooldown, regardless of buffs.
This is purely speaking from the rotation. PLD is a tank. It needs to use defensive oGCDs. Sheltron should be used as many times as possible when running dungeons since it is the only reliable source of passive mitigation PLD has, just like TBN and Raw Intuition/Nascent Glint on DRK/WAR.
No, this is bad advice for the reasons I've gone over. WAR is far more simple to play and has far less CPM to be as effective, which are both benefits to someone who is new and disabled. PLD has both more oGCDs and weaving and more niche utility to have to contend with learning than WAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge
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10-14-2019, 09:17 PMCatwho
To the OP: If mouse movement is a problem, XIV can be played on a controller during combat. XIV can also be played entirely on keyboard if you set up your hotbars and keybinds correctly. I use the old FFXI keyboard layout instead of WASD for battle. So my right hand controls movement using the numpad, the right thumb controls the camera using the directional arrows, and my left hand controls all battle movement with the top numbers, CTRL, ALT, and Shift. Tab targeting (with shift tab going from right to left) allows me to hit good parse numbers even on the more complex jobs.
I never touch the mouse in battle at all. (I also use a wedge "vertical" mouse for improved ergonomics for the times I do use a mouse, outside of combat.) I use a controller for certain things like interacting with my retainers, and gathering, since those parts of the game are menu-heavy and the controller feels more natural. But I know folks who use the controller exclusively in combat, and they have no problems keeping up with even Savage content. -
10-14-2019, 09:22 PMEnjudenOP said it themselves. Casual content and has no intention to raid. At that level all tank jobs play effectively the same, with Hallowed Ground being the only button that somehow attracts people and gives much more breathing room, as well as self healing that is immediately useful instead of an extra button press like Nascent Flash. Paladin also has more immediate benefits at a glance. Blocks all attacks for four seconds, cover, healing allies, etc. Looking back, introducing Paladin and not Warrior should they change their mind was a mistake strictly by APM, but I still stand by Thaumaturge/Samurai as the other classes being the least APM intensive, that's including melee movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by YojimboM
I guess I'm one of 'those people' that genuinely think Paladin's gameplay barely changed from ARR/HW to now and even back in 4.0. Opener changed, sure, but it's the same formula. Well, that, and no self healing from Inner Beast/Steel Cyclone hurts a lot when it came to Warrior's self sustain =/ -
10-14-2019, 09:53 PMLiskA
i would recommend to play a NON DPS healer, it will give you a lot of room to chill while playing. Also keep in mind to turn off showing Party Chat infos (via chat filters), so you don't have to read the complaines about Healer DPS. :rolleyes:
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10-14-2019, 09:53 PMDenzelVilliersActually many people still saying PLD is the most easiest Tank to play with, while that's not true anymore. Those people has been freezed on ARR/HW and didn't moved foward to realize how Jobs has become different since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge
- PLD total Unique Skills at your Hotbar: 26
- WAR total Unique Skills at your Hotbar: 22
PLD has more Skills to deal with, more buttons to press, more mechanics to do...
- PLD Single Target Combos: 2 ( DoT + Damage )
- WAR Single Target Combos: 2 ( STR Boost + Damage )
Same amount of combos but PLD has more Steps to do, since there's no auto-STR boost like WAR does with "Storm's Eye" so you need to use "Fight or Flight" manually as a extra step for PLD rotation, the Damage Combo grants "Atonement" to deal with (1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - Repeat ) WAR just have to restart their rotation once done ( 1 - 2 - 3 - Repeat ).
- PLD AoE Skills: 6
- WAR AoE Skills: 3
PLD has more skills to deal with, while WAR is more straight foward, just use 2 skills until the third one become available with PLD you need to do the same thing and deal with your MP for more 3 Skills.
- PLD CDs: Longer
- WAR CDs: Faster
As WAR you can use your CDs often than PLD ones, so you have more window to spam it.
- PLD Party Utility Skills: 5
- WAR Party Utility Skills: 2
PLD has more skills to deal with, 2 skills needs to be well positioned ( Divine Veil + Passage of Arms ), while 1 WAR skill needs be well positioned ( Shake it Off ) and just need hit and done, while PLD must heal as extra Step to activate.
- PLD MP Skills: 4
- WAR MP Skills: 0
PLD has to deal with MP, for damage skills and Party Utility while WAR don't have to worry about it at all, there's Requiecast that requires you to recovery your MP in time the CD is ready, if you don't do that you lose performance. WAR don't have any Casted Skills while PLD has 3, Cast is harder than Insta actions, after all you need to stop while deal with mechanics like AoEs and find time to finish your casting without move while Insta Skills you don't have to stop moving at all.
- PLD Gauge: Defensive/Party Utility
- WAR Gauge: Damage
PLD gauge is slower to charge ( 15 per Rotation ), while WAR is way faster ( 30 per Rotation ) and has "Infuriate" to fully boost your Gauge to 100. PLD has to deal about different purposes for his gauge, protect yourself, reduce a Ally Damage or Absorb their Damage, there's different situations for each skill to use at best time possible. While WAR once more is straight foward, once charged just hit FC for Single Target or Decimate for Many Targets, no strategy.
So imo at this moment WAR is the easiest Tank to play with. Since they lost most of their mechanics what made them fun and complexy to play, aka, most of their skills, mechanics and Wrath Stacks that doesn't exist anymore WAR become pretty simple. -
10-14-2019, 10:04 PMPepsi_PlungeYou are kidding, right? Without the pots it's 8 weaves of oGCDs between 21 GCDs over a time period of 54 seconds for PLD (with the last weaving around the 45 seconds mark). DRK, in the meantime, had already 13 weavings in the first 8 GCDs, after 18 seconds in the fight. Weaving 8 oCDs in 45 seconds or 13 in 18 seconds is VERY far apart, especially for a disabled person.Quote:
Originally Posted by YojimboM
Also OP is playing casual, not Savage, so a perfect opener doesn't really matter.
You are right about that, my mistake. It still has less oGCD-weaving then DRK or GNB.Quote:
As far as all of your rotation voodoo goes: What?
As any other tank there is.Quote:
This is purely speaking from the rotation. PLD is a tank. It needs to use defensive oGCDs.
As far as clicks-per-minute goes, WAR and PLD are nearly the same, on the lower end of the tanking-scale. But while it's true that PLD is one of the more complex jobs with two different phases, dots to maintain and a lot of different utility options for you to decide on the spot, the OP is only disabled with their hands, not with their brain. So I guess only fast-clicking is an issue here, not fast thinking. -
10-14-2019, 10:10 PMEnjudenYea, would be a real shame if people actually looked at the Conjurer quest line where SE openly mocks people who don't dps as a healer. For good reason.Quote:
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10-14-2019, 10:28 PMSerLuke
Dunno why people are being so critical of PLD being recommended they were asking about casual content only not savage optimization. I have a disability and I play casual content only and I don’t optimize that much and everything is fine because I’m not doing savage though just to test myself I can clear the E1S striking dummy so meh.
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10-15-2019, 12:14 AMLimonia
Healers may have less actions to press compared with other roles, especially in casual content where it doesn't matter if you use every gcd perfectly, as you could just dps a little less when you're playing with friends or so.
But don't forget that for every heal you have to target the player that's being healed and then go back to targeting the enemy. Often you only have to heal the tank directly and the dps just get an aoe heal that you can cast without a target. But there are also moments where you will have to target others as well.
In dungeons, you will also have to target multiple enemies in quick succession to put your dot on them while targeting the tank in between to give him an ogcd shield an so on, all while running to the next pack of enemies.
I would recommend black mage or red mage. They don't have many actions where you have to target others, no instant cast dot you can spread on enemies while running between packs (so you won't have to switch targets like every second) and generally not as many casts per minute.