Suggestion: Close Raid Roulete Loophole (Using low ilevel to force low level raids)

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

If people want to do specific raids, they're going to do specific raids. You putting in more rules and restrictions on people won't make them want to do the other raids, they'll just use Party Finder and again you'll be without the party members to fill your particular raid.
It sounds like you want to force people to do your raids because YOU want to do them, without a care of what the other people in the equation want to do; this is kind of further enforced by you simply not caring about what goes on in dungeons.

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I think you missunderstand the problem. Ppl would not queue for a specific raid.
They queue for the roulette to get the bonus.
And to get the bonus as fast as possible they strip themself naked to avoid the lvl 60 and 70 raids, which have of course higher ilvl requirements.

The solution would be a Job-lvl depending ilvl restriction for the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Derio

You have to remember the crystal tower raids are apart of the event so they give out the special tomes. Surely after the event things will go back to normal.

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I sure hope so because i am with the OP on this one even before the event it was constant sycrus tower ugh i want my hws raids. Void ark, weeping city, dunscaith

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Originally Posted by Laphael

I think you missunderstand the problem. Ppl would not queue for a specific raid.
They queue for the roulette to get the bonus.
And to get the bonus as fast as possible they strip themself naked to avoid the lvl 60 and 70 raids, which have of course higher ilvl requirements.
The solution would be a Job-lvl depending ilvl restriction for the roulette.

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No, i understand the problem.
People would queue for a specific raid because you don't need to use the alliance roulette to get the crystal tower; so if something like this was put into place to stop them from getting the tower through the roulette, they would use other ways to queue specifically for it and would (again) avoid the raids that the OP wants to force them to do for his sake.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

No, i understand the problem.
People would queue for a specific raid because you don't need to use the alliance roulette to get the crystal tower; so if something like this was put into place to stop them from getting the tower through the roulette, they would use other ways to queue specifically for it and would (again) avoid the raids that the OP wants to force them to do for his sake.

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But we are not talking about ppl that want to farm christal tower.

We are talking about ppl that want to do the Roulette for the bonus.

It's interesting to see that getting the 50 raids has been common for other players prior to this event as well. Sure, they're a lower level so they're more common, but I can recall for the last year it's been 90% ARR raids. I beg for Dun Scaith and wondered if they just removed Void Ark from the alliance raid roulette because I think I've gotten it once in the last 365 days. It's definitely unbalanced and I doubt it's the natural state of things.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

But we are not talking about ppl that want to farm christal tower.

We are talking about ppl that want to do the Roulette for the bonus.

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The Odds of you getting the latest raid in roulette are higher in the early morning hours when more people are just directly queuing for them since at any given time theres ALOT more lower leveled players than max level players towards the end of an expansion the odds increase dramatically that you will get the older raids more often than the newer raids during Daytime and Peak Hours.

Even if nobody was "cheating" the ilevel, the roulette would still skew towards the lower-level raids simply because a larger percentage of the people in the queue are eligible to run them.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

No, i understand the problem.
People would queue for a specific raid because you don't need to use the alliance roulette to get the crystal tower; so if something like this was put into place to stop them from getting the tower through the roulette, they would use other ways to queue specifically for it and would (again) avoid the raids that the OP wants to force them to do for his sake.

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Yeah, you are still missing the problem.

You only get the BONUS experience or tomestones if you use alliance roulette. If a max level character uses the alliance roulette there is a chance they could get put into ANY raid in the game (that they've unlocked). However, by unequipping pieces of their level 70 gear (or leveling gear if they're queuing for exp) BEFORE THEY QUEUE they can lower their current ilvl so that they don't meet the ilvl requirements for HW and SB alliance raids (they usually drop below World of Darkness min ilvl as well). THEN when they queue for the roulette, the game checks their current ilvl, sees they don't meet the requirements for HW and SB alliance raids (and WoD), and only attempts to put them in select ARR raids (since many feel that LotA and ST are the fastest and most braindead) to get their BONUS experience or tomestones super easy.


Yes, RIGHT NOW ppl are direct queuing for LotA and ST because of the Moogle Event, but Alliance Raid Roulette predominantly gave these two raids BEFORE the event as well because of this practice. It doesn't take many ppl doing this throughout the day to force MOST alliance roulette queues into LotA or ST.

What's the issue? I do it all the time to stay in LotA, ST or WoD.

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Originally Posted by Xuled

What's the issue? I do it all the time to stay in LotA, ST or WoD.

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I think OP (and to a degree some others) want variety with the Roulette as opposed to mostly getting the same duties because one or several players have adjusted their gear to influence what instance is given to the party. Granted it's not really doing anything wrong per say as the system allows it to work, but you could imagine some players getting frustrated that a Roulette with 9 duties is mostly pulling just 3 of them.

Although as others have stated, more players have access to the Crystal Tower raids than all the others so already the chance of getting them is somewhat high to begin with. Plus we have the current Mogstones event on which is influencing certain duties to appear, so there you go.