The red line is crossed now - Bots, cheaters, hackers, gil-seller

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

As someone whose been doing gathering a lot lately I'd like for my time to pay off some.. Gathering a rare node only for the items to sell for 500g or less isn't worth my time when it takes sometimes hours for the node to return.

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No. Just because you spend time on something doesn't make it a smart decision or worthy of being rewarded. You see it with players that prefer to grind endlessly for rare items when it would take a fraction of their effort to acquire the gil in the first place and then purchase the item they desire off someone. Or in this case, players like yourself who willingly go after items that are either readily available in large quantities or are simply worthless. It's like you're expecting people with a gender studies degree to get compensated for their bad decision.

I think his point was that gathering the stuff would actually be worth the effort if there weren't bots tanking the prices on it.

I was able to move aethersands for 5-10K each in early SB or immediately after a new patch dropped, but they're since tanked down to as low as 1K at times because of how heavily botted they are.

From a logical perspective, there's little gain to be had in trying to move items at the prices the bots do and generally more profitable to try to sell less mainstream items that they don't/can't sell.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I think his point was that gathering the stuff would actually be worth the effort if there weren't bots tanking the prices on it.

I was able to move aethersands for 5-10K each in early SB or immediately after a new patch dropped, but they're since tanked down to as low as 1K at times because of how heavily botted they are.

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Boohoo, I can't sell my overpriced materials anymore and refuse to look at better alternatives to make money. :rolleyes:

Real talk, anyone in here want to talk about how NOBODY is complaining about how cheap and accessible shards/crystals/clusters are despite being largely botted materials?
Oh wait, that would be hypocritical wouldn't it... That would nullify the narrative you're all trying to push wouldn't it...

You guys make it sound like there's a handful of items to gather/craft when there's more than 10,000. Learn how to sort the MB by demand/quantity...

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

Boohoo, I can't sell my overpriced materials anymore and refuse to look at better alternatives to make money. :rolleyes:

Real talk, anyone in here want to talk about how NOBODY is complaining about how cheap and accessible shards/crystals/clusters are despite being largely botted materials?
Oh wait, that would be hypocritical wouldn't it... That would nullify the narrative you're all trying to push wouldn't it...

You guys make it sound like there's a handful of items to gather/craft when there's more than 10,000. Learn how to sort the MB by demand/quantity...

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Alrighty, I'll complain then :) In ARR I used to farm water clusters in mor dhona for sweet cash, but then the bots ruined it. I don't even buy clusters or crystals anymore because I do a lot of maps and grow them myself. So if they took out the bots, it wouldn't impact me much except I could probably make good cash from clusters again.

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

Literally everyone benefits from cheap materials, you people just have it backwards.

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That's not how economics work. If the price of every good on the market crashes, the result is hyper-deflation which causes currency to become worthless. If everyone has near unlimited buying power, the concept of "money" breaks down. This will also begin to break down game balance when there's a huge selection of power equipment becomes available for little cost, the resulting player challenge gets destroyed and there becomes little reason to acquire anything anymore.

It's called following the gil

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

Boohoo, I can't sell my overpriced materials anymore and refuse to look at better alternatives to make money. :rolleyes:

Real talk, anyone in here want to talk about how NOBODY is complaining about how cheap and accessible shards/crystals/clusters are despite being largely botted materials?
Oh wait, that would be hypocritical wouldn't it... That would nullify the narrative you're all trying to push wouldn't it...

You guys make it sound like there's a handful of items to gather/craft when there's more than 10,000. Learn how to sort the MB by demand/quantity...

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I'd prefer higher prices on shards. Please don't be so antagonistic and assume everyone's opinions without any basis for it. Just because you don't see people running around screaming their heads off about every little thing doesn't mean those people feel they walk in a perfection of paradise.

Get a grip.

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Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB

Boohoo, I can't sell my overpriced materials anymore and refuse to look at better alternatives to make money. :rolleyes:

Real talk, anyone in here want to talk about how NOBODY is complaining about how cheap and accessible shards/crystals/clusters are despite being largely botted materials?
Oh wait, that would be hypocritical wouldn't it... That would nullify the narrative you're all trying to push wouldn't it...

You guys make it sound like there's a handful of items to gather/craft when there's more than 10,000. Learn how to sort the MB by demand/quantity...

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I seldom actually see bots going after shards/crystals/clusters on my server. If they are, it's almost always being done by the same players who craft bot and thus are being procured for personal use, not selling on MB.

You shouldn't assume people even buy mats from the MB, because I craft regularly using only things I gather myself specifically to avoid giving those players money.

Also, what is/isn't overpriced is highly subjective when few things have a clearly defined value. The only time you can definitively call something overpriced is if someone is trying push mats for more then the cost of the item made with them, or if they're trying sell vendor items for more then their normal cost.

Lastly, while it is the best/logical course of action to just sell something else if the bots are monopolizing a market, ridiculing people for getting mad about it is kind of immature when we shouldn't be having to put up with this in the first place.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

TBH, I almost never actually see bots going after shards/crystals/clusters on my server.

If they are, it's almost always being done by the same players who craft bot and thus are being procured for personal use, not selling on MB.

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Well you sure know that most of these Lv.70 Gathering Bots do Ephermal Node Farming (Quite most of them atleast)
Aethersands are coming from Aetherial Reduction and Crystals/Clusters are just a byproduct of doing so.

Doesn't take long to hit the Cap of 9.999 for them it seems and is also one of the Reasons they are priced for a cheap amount of Gil.

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Originally Posted by Edax

That's not how economics work. If the price of every good on the market crashes, the result is hyper-deflation which causes currency to become worthless. If everyone has near unlimited buying power, the concept of "money" breaks down. This will also begin to break down game balance when there's a huge selection of power equipment becomes available for little cost, the resulting player challenge gets destroyed and there becomes little reason to acquire anything anymore.

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Sorry but no, that's exactly how it works. There's a reason why actual gil value is higher on high pop servers where everything is cheap on the MB.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

I'd prefer higher prices on shards. Please don't be so antagonistic and assume everyone's opinions without any basis for it. Just because you don't see people running around screaming their heads off about every little thing doesn't mean those people feel they walk in a perfection of paradise.

Get a grip.

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Hey glad to see your suspension is over ;). Now that you have access to the forums again, you go and try to find me a single thread where players are advocating for higher priced lvl 1 items. Surely there's at least one in all these years this game's been up right.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I seldom actually see bots going after shards/crystals/clusters on my server. If they are, it's almost always being done by the same players who craft bot and thus are being procured for personal use, not selling on MB.

You shouldn't assume people even buy mats from the MB, because I craft regularly using only things I gather myself specifically to avoid giving those players money.

Also, what is/isn't overpriced is highly subjective when few things have a clearly defined value. The only time you can definitively call something overpriced is if someone is trying push mats for more then the cost of the item made with them, or if they're trying sell vendor items for more then their normal cost.

Lastly, while it is the best/logical course of action to just sell something else if the bots are monopolizing a market, ridiculing people for getting mad about it is kind of immature when we shouldn't be having to put up with this in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

Well you sure know that most of these Lv.70 Gathering Bots do Ephermal Node Farming (Quite most of them atleast)
Aethersands are coming from Aetherial Reduction and Crystals/Clusters are just a byproduct of doing so.

Doesn't take long to hit the Cap of 9.999 for them it seems and is also one of the Reasons they are priced for a cheap amount of Gil.

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@Kage ^^^^


I am assuming players that care amount maximizing their time/profit are buying mostly from the marketboard. Why waste your time preparing for timed nodes/mindlessly going through regular nodes when you can easily make 5x-10x of what it costs you in materials purchased from the Market Board while a macro does all the work for you?

Regarding the definition of overpriced, that's exactly how it is. Subjective. In your eyes, 5k for aethersands is alright. I don't agree. And ultimately no one cares what we think is overpriced. Oh wait, the market board is essentially a free market, I guess selling aethersands for 5k was actually overpriced...

Call it ridiculing if you want, I call it hypocritical to complain about bots when they are doing the bulk of the work regarding shards/crystals/clusters and no one seems to complain about it aside from that one person who made money off of clusters 4 years ago in Mor Dhona.