Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

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Originally Posted by Penthea

The problem is a 272 tank in Bardam and Castrum massively reduces the margin of error for the whole group. It frankly isn't fair to needlessly make the content more difficult for everyone when you can so easily get better gear. It is especially unfair on the healer because their role is directly affected by the tank's defences.

OP's group didn't sound very good to begin with but he honestly made a bad situation worse with his gear. Even if the group was very good the healer still would have definitely noticed that OP took more damage than he should have been

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Noooo lol I didn’t say this to give him a free pass lol please quote my entire comment next time!! Because I mentioned how being an under geared tank is always a no no.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears should not be considering SB leveling dungeons to be remotely challenging at i270, because I sure didn't and I'm nowhere near that level. So yeah, I'm gonna be condescending all I like.

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Would that we all had healers who could carry us through being intentionally irresponsible party members.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I went all the way until 70 in my i270 gear (plus whatever higher dungeon bits I managed to grab, but I never stopped specifically to try to get any of it), just like I went all the way to 60 in my i130 gear. Went fine, didn't melt. I tanked too. It's like some of you think 4-man dungeons are supposed to be hard or something. :rolleyes:

Sold the quested gear for $$ instead. Cha-ching.

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Lol you survived but I’m sure the healer hated you! Why do this when it was so easy to get better gear...I don’t understand your thought process of making it harder for the team because it’s convenient for you.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears should not be considering SB leveling dungeons to be remotely challenging at i270, because I sure didn't and I'm nowhere near that level. So yeah, I'm gonna be condescending all I like.



Except that isn't anywhere close to what happens in SB leveling dungeons in i270. Maybe if you actually presented a more realistic scenario, I could take it more seriously.

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Oh this ignorance. You've got carried hard by your party and that makes it fine? No, no it doesn't and it never will.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears should not be considering SB leveling dungeons to be remotely challenging at i270, because I sure didn't and I'm nowhere near that level. So yeah, I'm gonna be condescending all I like.



Except that isn't anywhere close to what happens in SB leveling dungeons in i270. Maybe if you actually presented a more realistic scenario, I could take it more seriously.

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"I know more than you despite having less experience in every measurable capacity."

Dude you got carried through by competent healers. Congrats, now go gear up before you roll the dice and lose one of these times.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears should not be considering SB leveling dungeons to be remotely challenging at i270, because I sure didn't and I'm nowhere near that level. So yeah, I'm gonna be condescending all I like.



Except that isn't anywhere close to what happens in SB leveling dungeons in i270. Maybe if you actually presented a more realistic scenario, I could take it more seriously.

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You have been shown that with minimal effort a tank can come in with double the defense.

Now... I know this might be hard (Math is hard). But why should a healer have to do 2 times the healing... because you are too entitled and lazy to properly gear yourself? 2 TIMES the defense with relevant gear....... it's mind boggling that you can be this obtuse.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

...... it's mind boggling that you can be this obtuse.

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Welcome to the forums. Stick around for a bit, this sort of thing will become a lot less mind-boggling and instead just sad.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears should not be considering SB leveling dungeons to be remotely challenging at i270, because I sure didn't and I'm nowhere near that level.

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Where did any of us say that the dungeons were challenging? Mechanically, they are just a simple as any other dungeon. But in terms of outgoing damage, they hit much harder than the ones that come before them (Sohm Al and The Aery for The Vault/Great Gubal; Shisui for Bardam’s/Doma/Castrum Abania, but Bardam’s actually hits like a truck even for tanks in at-level gear). And they certainly hit harder than the “expert” dungeons.

I merely stated that the Vault and Gubal, when they were relevant, would truck tanks in i120/i130. Because they would. Perhaps I wasn’t as good a player back then as I am now, but that doesn’t change that there was an increase in outgoing damage from The Aery to The Vault. Just like there’s a spike from Shisui to Bardam’s Mettle, Doma Castle, and Castrum Abania.

But, pardon me. Asking for people to be respectful and wear at-level gear is clearly an elitist thing to say.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

So yeah, I'm gonna be condescending all I like.

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Yet, we’re the elitists here. Makes sense. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Did you know if I kick the chair out I can fly? What do you mean they're carrying me? This is equal weight distribution .

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Sometimes you just gotta let them drive to home depot to buy the rope guys. Just let it go, one day when their party wipes like a Mexican with ecoli. Then they'll get it.

Is it possible to heal an undergeared tank in Abania? Yes.

Should a healer have to put up with that suffering and carry you because of your laziness? No.

This is a MMO, a cooperative game, a team game. When you join DF with other players your gear affects their experience as well and NOT just your own.

This isn't rocket science people! How About Having Some Respect For Your Fellow Players Who End Up On Your Team And Gear Yourself.

I know this is the OF so this is a totally whack concept, but seriously, use some logic and thought about why you should at least try to gear as best as you are able to. Hint: current dungeons are not solo content.