Can we discuss how abusive the GM department is when it comes to 'Grief Tactics'? A

I feel like the issue with S-ranks is that you need that ludicrously high 2000 kills to earn a mount. As far as I understand it, everyone who gets a single hit on it gets credited with one kill.

So sharing it around lets as many people as possible get that +1, without taking it away from you.

In a most ideal collaborative effort, everyone shares coordinates, everyone puts the effort in some of the time to be the one who spawns it, and we all work together to gaining that 2000 target together.... and it's still going to take ages.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I feel like the issue with S-ranks is that you need that ludicrously high 2000 kills to earn a mount. As far as I understand it, everyone who gets a single hit on it gets credited with one kill.

So sharing it around lets as many people as possible get that +1, without taking it away from you.

In a most ideal collaborative effort, everyone shares coordinates, everyone puts the effort in some of the time to be the one who spawns it, and we all work together to gaining that 2000 target together.... and it's still going to take ages.

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I'm not sure most people are doing hunts for the mount, S ranks have always been very popular even before they added centurio tiger, and hitting it just once tends to carry a risk of not getting max rewards.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

If everyone just let the tanks kill squishy ARR S ranks, there probably wouldn't be any complaints ever, and they'd still die in good time.

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There's a new trend that I approve of where people will tag the s rank and then either auto-attack or do nothing. If you're in a party, that's often all it takes to get full credit. This applies mostly to ARR hunts but it's been effective so far. A couple of GCD withheld across a dozen or so high-geared hunters means about as many people more managed to get there and at least tag it. At the very least it's a tick on the achievement, and if they were in a party, it's seals and tomes, too.

What kind of rude, inconsiderate and downright selfish player would pull a hunt early..? smh

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Originally Posted by DuskTS

What kind of rude, inconsiderate and downright selfish player would pull a hunt early..? smh

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There's no such thing as an early pull. It has been what, 5 years now? And people still don't understand this. No matter how long it sits there untouched, someone somewhere is going to be late. I side with the crowd who supports waiting on as many people as possible, for the record. But when a hunt is spawned, it is fair game. Sometimes it gets pulled sooner as opposed to later, and vice versa. If people can't get there in 2-3 minutes at most I would consider them late to the party. But I'm also fine with waiting longer as long as everyone else is sitting on their hands. Once it's pulled though there's no going back.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

There's a new trend that I approve of where people will tag the s rank and then either auto-attack or do nothing. If you're in a party, that's often all it takes to get full credit. This applies mostly to ARR hunts but it's been effective so far. A couple of GCD withheld across a dozen or so high-geared hunters means about as many people more managed to get there and at least tag it. At the very least it's a tick on the achievement, and if they were in a party, it's seals and tomes, too.

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I do something similar with ARR hunts, though I don't use auto attacks. I will typically start the first few moves of my rotation, then let it be.

On my server at least (polite Japanese rules and all that) there often is a designated "start time" by the Eorzean clock - set at least half an Eorzean hour away - being called out alongside the mark's location.

While it might not be actually considered against the game rules to ignore that announced start time, I think it could fairly be described as "early pulling" to not wait for it.

I'm not sure how it works elsewhere - do other people set times like this, or does everyone just stand there until someone decides they've waited long enough?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm not sure how it works elsewhere - do other people set times like this, or does everyone just stand there until someone decides they've waited long enough?

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On my server sometimes someone sets a certain time based on the Eorzean clock which people either abide by or ignore. Otherwise it's basically waiting until someone says "screw this" and attacks. The 2nd scenario is what happens 99% of the time.

From a few particularly slow S ranks, I've been able to get full credit solo on WAR by popping Unchained and Inner Release after prepping a Butcher's Block, then doing Butcher's Block > Overpower spam until Inner Release falls off (Which takes off maybe 5% of the hunt's HP tops). If this is supplemented by people spamming AoE heals in the same party, you can hit the full credit enmity quota almost immediately.

There's really no reason to be unloading your full DPS opener on an ARR/HW S rank like it's a savage raid boss when there are ways to get credit that are both more effective and less likely to result in the thing dying before everyone interested arrives.

The problem is that they need to be so harsh about resetting because they need clear rules to enforce punishment. I agree that its annoying that this has happened to someone that spawned the S rank, told others about it and wanted to wait for more people but what if its someone that resetts such a hunt because they came late to it and want the prize too? Wouldnt that be griefing? And suddenly you have a case of resetting that shows the negative side to it and the GMs should punish that. But they cant go and pick sides to this thus no matter the case, resetting will always be seen as griefing.

lmao smh they did well to report tbh